The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[Stark Bauer]

Peyton Reed wanted to do that with FF & I have a feeling when they do come back, he gets a chance to direct.. I just wonder how they'll get t the present to interact with modern heroes

EAsy. THE TIme gem or reality gem or the infinity gauntlet lol. Even Doctor Strange could do it on his own.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Something to keep in mind: Fox announced their reboot of the FF about 2 years after ROTSS, and now we're approaching the 2 year point after Fant4stic.

After that, any potential reboot will be behind the schedule followed last time.

The window really is pretty short, and Fox doesn't have enough time for everybody to have forgotten how awful Fant4stic was before they will be forced to start again.

Time is a luxury they don't have.t:

Neither is MONEY.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I also have a problem with them being active in the 60's, yet people being shocked by Iron Man and others in the present. Ant Man avoided this by being covert and unknown, but the celebrity family can't do that.

That's less easy. But as Willie has mentioned more than a few times, folks have short memories. A superhero team operating in the 60s wouldn't necessarily be a topic of conversation in 2008.

I don't think there's anything in the Marvel films that would preclude the FF in the 60's. We know that Captain America, for example, existed and was well known in the 40's, but nobody mentioned him in Iron Man. Also, the Hulk presumably was already around at the time of Iron Man's appearance, but those other characters just didn't come up in conversation. Nobody mentioned Jim Morrison, Pol Pot or Jackie Gleason either, but that doesn't mean they didn't exist in the '60s in the MCU.

And just because there was a team of cool Superheroes in the '60s doesn't mean the kind of characters we see in the modern MCU wouldn't also be cool and amazing 50 years later.

I can't think of any specific quotes or situations in the MCU films that would be a problem, and I think it's perfectly logical and acceptable that the FF could have existed in the '60s. Many moviegoers may feel the specific characters we see are the only superheroes in that world, but I think that' a presumption and not based on actual conversations in the films.

And here's something to think about: Did Marvel actually specifically hint that there were other superheroes in the past in that reality?

Coulson had Captain America trading cards. Doesn't that imply there were probably also other cards such as Mr. Fantastic, Human Torch, Sub Mariner etc.?

When I bought baseball cards as a kid, I didn't get a whole pack of Willie Stargells. It was Willie Stargell, Bucky Dent, Boog Powell etc.

 

[TheVileOne]

Putting them in the 1960s is stupid. Don't do it. What happened to Ant-Man is bad enough.

 

[Zarex]

Putting them in the 1960s is stupid. Don't do it. What happened to Ant-Man is bad enough.

If the FF reboot is a hit, action packed sci-fi adventure with lots of heart and humorous like Ant Man I would be ecstatic.

 

[TheVileOne]

If the FF reboot is a hit, action packed sci-fi adventure with lots of heart and humorous like Ant Man I would be ecstatic.

Don't date them by putting them in the 1960s. Now we are stuck with Hank Pym as an old man, and Janet is MIA.

 

[Docker2.0]

Putting them in the 1960s is stupid. Don't do it. What happened to Ant-Man is bad enough.

I agree! I don't get why people want that to happen. That is a horrible idea! Plus with most of the Avengers dying in IW, you need some new heroes to arise. What better group to lead them than the Fantastic Four? They were always seen as an Avenger level group but just didn't click because of Fox. Let Marvel do them the right way.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not understanding why because people think the comics started in the 60s, the movies should be set in the 1960s too.

Spider-Man debuted in the 1960s. Iron Man debuted in the 1960s. Avengers debuted in the 1960s. Hulk debuted in the 1960s. Black Panther, T'Challa, debuted in the Fantastic Four comics in the 1960s. Most of the modern heroes depicted in the movies had their comics created in the 1960s. Captain America is an exception, except he's thawed out and repackaged with the Avengers in the 1960s.

 

[Zarex]

Don't date them by putting them in the 1960s. Now we are stuck with Hank Pym as an old man, and Janet is MIA.

Hank Pym is played by Michael frikkin' Douglas. Ill take that. And Janet will likely be back in just a few years time.

 

[Crimz]

I think part of the reason some people want them to be set in the 60's is because of the belief that they are too campy for modern times. Which I don't agree with at all, FF books have usually been up to date with the time period.

Their last great comic run ended only 5 years ago.

 

[Zarex]

I agree! I don't get why people want that to happen. That is a horrible idea! Plus with most of the Avengers dying in IW, you need some new heroes to arise. What better group to lead them than the Fantastic Four? They were always seen as an Avenger level group but just didn't click because of Fox. Let Marvel do them the right way.

We may lose a hero or two, but I am confident the Avengers roster will be fully stocked in time for the next installment. A 60s setting gives the FF space to shine apart from the modern heroes, gives the reboot a distinct look, allows us to explore a part of the MCU not yet seen (Young Nick Fury! TChaka! Teenage Pym! Middle aged Peggy!) and sets them apart from the three awful FOX films. I'd like to see it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I think part of the reason some people want them to be set in the 60's is because of the belief that they are too campy for modern times. Which I don't agree with at all, FF books have usually been up to date with the time period.

Their last great comic run ended only 5 years ago.

That wouldn't be the reason for me. It's more to do with 60s style and class which fits perfectly with the FF, as well as the setting of the space race. We'd get to see Sue with her classic 60s haircut and Reed looking more like a typical 60s leading man. The fashions would look great and all the cars people are driving around would look super cool.

It would be early 60s though, because the style would still have some things carried over from the 1950s, rather than late 60s.

People loved the Mad Men style, and seeing the FF like that would be fantastic.

I don't think they're too campy for the modern world at all. They no different than Spider-Man or the Avengers.

 

[Lilbaz]

Personally want ff to be part of the mcu so i can see their interactions with the other heroes. Reed being a lot smarter than stark, hulk facing off with the thing, and jonny fighting along side spiderman.
We'd get none of that if it were set in the 60's.

 

[Dark Raven]

Personally want ff to be part of the mcu so i can see their interactions with the other heroes. Reed being a lot smarter than stark, hulk facing off with the thing, and jonny fighting along side spiderman.
We'd get none of that if it were set in the 60's.

Well that's the main reason I'd be hesitant about them being in the 60s. But imagine if they did originate in the 60s but were brought into the modern times, and Reed still ended up being smarter than Stark and Banner even being several decades out of touch. Imagine he was able to catch up quickly and bring himself up to speed with the latest developments, leaving Stark thinking that if Reed had been from modern times how much he would completely dwarf his intelligence, and it's only because of his 60s origin that it puts some kind of ceiling on him.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

In 2002, I hated the idea of a retro film. To me, the FF were about the cutting edge, and I didn't want them as some throw-backs.

But the comic-book film world is much different now than it was in 2002. We've already seen many of the things that Fantastic Four pioneered in other Marvel films.

Superheroes who embrace their roles and don't hide behind secret identities? Been there, done that. Otherworldly threats and settings? Been there, done that. A team of superheroes who bicker and fight (sometimes childishly) in their down-time but come together when it really matters? Been there, done that.

But what we haven't seen is Kirby's iconic visuals brought to life, and a retro FF could do that. Plaster a room with panels from FF #s 1-100 and there's your production design. Make a film that actually looks like what Kirby drew with a sort of "steam-punk" (old technology doing amazing things that even today's technology can't do) sensibility and, if done right, you could get something very cool and very different and something that could (with Hank Pym, Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom etc.) stretch things out and prevent too many heroes from being jammed into one reality (which would lead to questions such as "Where are the FF?" when the Avengers face a world-threatening menace).

Of course at this point, I would take anything and I would be very happy with a well-done FF in current times, but because the landscape has changed so drastically, I'm much more intrigued by a retro FF film than I was 15 years ago.

 

[Zarex]

Personally want ff to be part of the mcu so i can see their interactions with the other heroes. Reed being a lot smarter than stark, hulk facing off with the thing, and jonny fighting along side spiderman.
We'd get none of that if it were set in the 60's.

Sure we can. Time travels a thing.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That wouldn't be the reason for me. It's more to do with 60s style and class which fits perfectly with the FF, as well as the setting of the space race. We'd get to see Sue with her classic 60s haircut and Reed looking more like a typical 60s leading man. The fashions would look great and all the cars people are driving around would look super cool.

It would be early 60s though, because the style would still have some things carried over from the 1950s, rather than late 60s.

People loved the Mad Men style, and seeing the FF like that would be fantastic.

I don't think they're too campy for the modern world at all. They no different than Spider-Man or the Avengers.

This is part of it for me. I see Jon Hamm as Don Draper and feel like I'm looking at Reed Richards. Not only does he look the part, but he has the same kind of cocky, arrogant, "why am I surrounded by inferiors?" air.

 

[DyfeddRex]

I'm not sure I want a 60's FF, yeah, it sounds cool, would render homage to the origins of Marvel, but still, I want something new. Say maybe a watcher telling us the reason they are hesitant to help in this reality is their long allies, the FF, never rose up, then reveal that the FF coming first caused the other universes to end, as they were needed more towards the end, not the beginning.
I also think that rather than cosmic rays, have them pass through Galactus form while using that spaceship the first time, hence their powers come from the Power Cosmic, and that makes them able to withstand him might work.

But, regardless of the setting and take, I'll settle for any MCU FF over what we have had so far.

 

[Dark Raven]

This is part of it for me. I see Jon Hamm as Don Draper and feel like I'm looking at Reed Richards. Not only does he look the part, but he has the same kind of cocky, arrogant, "why am I surrounded by inferiors?" air.

Well January Jones as Betty Draper looks like classic 60s Sue.

 

[Docker2.0]

We may lose a hero or two, but I am confident the Avengers roster will be fully stocked in time for the next installment. A 60s setting gives the FF space to shine apart from the modern heroes, gives the reboot a distinct look, allows us to explore a part of the MCU not yet seen (Young Nick Fury! TChaka! Teenage Pym! Middle aged Peggy!) and sets them apart from the three awful FOX films. I'd like to see it.

With those contracts expiring, the only heroes I see making out of Avengers:IW are Thor, Hulk...........and that's it. They need new heroes to arise. I can see the gauntlet as a way that the F4 get their powers. Trust me, them being set in the 60's, despite having "corny" powers is not a good idea. They could be set in today's world. Especially Johny Storm and Ben Grimm. Marvel, especially Fiege has had a good grip on how to introduce these guys.

 

[Darkraid]

I think 1960s is a good idea. Make FF space adventurers working for SHIELD along with Hank Pym and Peggy. In the first film they can do the origin story with them getting stuck in the negative or quantium zone.

In Ant-Man & Wasp, Scott might chance upon FF and pull them out of the zone. In the zone, they didn't age but stuck in the realm.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fantastic Four isn't Mad Men.

 

[Spiderine]

Not feeling 1960's FF at all. Please don't go this route. And I don't want to see them stuck in limbo for the last 40 years either. This would be a horrible approach. We got a period piece with Cap. They need to be set in the present with everyone else.

 

[Darkraid]

No baby FF either like Spider-Man

 

[UltimatePyro9]

Fantastic Four isn't Mad Men.

...Neither is Spider-Man???