The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 9

[metaphysician]

And Galactus/Surfer/Uatu for Daredevil (and associated characters) might seem one-sided, but we know Marvel wanted that deal.

And that previously proposed deal combined with other circumstantial evidence makes me think Galactus/Surfer/Uatu is more likely than a complete deal.

Its not really that one-sided a deal. Its basically trading one temporary thing ( approval to make a number of TV shows ), in exchange for a permanent thing ( those characters reverted, forever ). As long as the contract isn't "you can now make whatever X-Men shows you want, however many you want, forever", as opposed to specifically being approval of certain proposed shows.

Plus, we know Marvel has done similar trades, vis a vis the Ego/NTW trade. I think Marvel would totally be up for chipping away at the Fantastic Four license a couple major characters at a time. Not only do they get stuff they want, but they make the license progressively less valuable, and thus more likely they'll get the rest back later, too.

 

[Snaaaaake!]

Is Venom really going to happen? I haven't been following too closely, so I don't know if it's real or vaporware.

The whole Sony plan seemed so ridiculous from what I saw that I just assumed they were saying they were planning to make all those non-Marvel films to try to get some leverage to pressure Marvel to give them a better Spidey deal.

But that was just based on the broad things I was seeing and I haven't been paying much attention to the details.

To my understanding it's an Avi Arad production that will be rated R for shock value and has a 10/5/18 release date. Alex Gilyadov is the screen writer and Zac Efron is said to be Eddie Brock.

There were even rumors that the failed movie "Life" with Ryan Reynolds was a prequel to it.

 

[Zarex]

Zac as Venom was a 4/1 gag.

 

[ADollarADay]

I think Dollar and Gecko (whom interestingly always post around the same time) are forgetting that FOX themselves admitted that they came to Marvel with the television proposals and negotiating took MONTHS. That is not for cash or a stake. All you need to do is know anything about the movie business or common sense in general to know something is happening here regarding rights issues, be they F4 or Galactus and Doom or all or A NEW HOPE. It's not cash. This isn't a "South Park" parody.

Oh no! The implication here is that I'm a gecko!

 

[First Avenger]

"Kevin doesn't require me to say anything. I thought that would be incredibly clear by now. Watchers and Ego were co-owned by Marvel Studios and Fox in the same way that Quicksilver was. Negasonic was owned by Fox, but they didn't have the right to change her powers without Marvel Studios giving them the okay - we did so in exchange for complete rights to Ego. I have never lied to the fans and never will. We don't own FF, Silver Surfer, and many other properties, and there are no plans of Fox letting them go any time in the near future."

-James Gunn

 

[I Am The Knight]

Close thread

 

[Zarex]

"Kevin doesn't require me to say anything. I thought that would be incredibly clear by now. Watchers and Ego were co-owned by Marvel Studios and Fox in the same way that Quicksilver was. Negasonic was owned by Fox, but they didn't have the right to change her powers without Marvel Studios giving them the okay - we did so in exchange for complete rights to Ego. I have never lied to the fans and never will. We don't own FF, Silver Surfer, and many other properties, and there are no plans of Fox letting them go any time in the near future."

-James Gunn

Where is that quote from?

I still suspect the rights will revert by 2020. Is that considered the near future?

 

[First Avenger]

http://i.imgur.com/Zp31gR1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qCTyhhQ.jpg

 

[ADollarADay]

Vio Kwak Are we getting the Fantastic four, silver surfer and Galactus or what??!! I keep hearing rumors!!
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James Gunn
James Gunn No, definitely not. All of those properties belong to Fox and any rumors are completely unfounded.

Yep. It certainly seem like the XMen TV rights transaction had nothing to do with FF live action movie rights.

http://i.imgur.com/Zp31gR1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/qCTyhhQ.jpg

Interesting thing about the first quote - and something we didn't know - is that Marvel already co owned Ego, so they didn't really need it from Fox. Instead of asking for something else - like co ownership of Galactus/SS/Storm - they ask to fully own a character they already owned lol. Never changer Marvel, never change.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Where is that quote from?

I still suspect the rights will revert by 2020. Is that considered the near future?

It is to me. I've been waiting since the mid-seventies.

Production has to start by 2022. By 2020 Fox, Marvel and all of us will know if there's any realistic chance of Fox starting production within 2 years, and if we have to wait until 2022 actually arrives to make it official, that's fine. That's five years from now and this thread has been going since 2013, so we're already nearly half-way to the drop-dead date.

 

[Zarex]

If it indeed turns out that Marvel re-opened the 1993 agreement and handed over additional character rights to FOX for nothing more than a piece of the action of a franchise they don't control airing on networks they don't own:

a) I will admit that my insistence that there must be more to the deal than what was reported was extremely wrongheaded and

b) I will curse the folks at Disney/Marvel to high heaven for bending over the negotiating table, signing off on yet another Avi Arad style deal, and treating longtime fans of the FF franchise with callous disregard. I'll be turning in my MCU fandom post Infinity War.

 

[Dark Raven]

It is to me. I've been waiting since the mid-seventies.

Production has to start by 2022. By 2020 Fox, Marvel and all of us will know if there's any realistic chance of Fox starting production within 2 years, and if we have to wait until 2022 actually arrives to make it official, that's fine. That's five years from now and this thread has been going since 2013, so we're already nearly half-way to the drop-dead date.

Was it Edgar Wright who promised you it would revert "soon" back then?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Was it Edgar Wright who promised you it would revert "soon" back then?

It was Stan Lee. Somebody wrote a letter asking, since we were getting Spider-Man and Hulk (and Daredevil, Thor, Dr. Strange) TV shows if we would be getting an FF TV show.

His answer is burned into my brain because he indicated they were working toward a 'big-budget FF film'.

I'll have to dig through my comic books and see if I can find that.

 

[ADollarADay]

It is to me. I've been waiting since the mid-seventies.

Production has to start by 2022. By 2020 Fox, Marvel and all of us will know if there's any realistic chance of Fox starting production within 2 years, and if we have to wait until 2022 actually arrives to make it official, that's fine. That's five years from now and this thread has been going since 2013, so we're already nearly half-way to the drop-dead date.

We would know by 2020 because Fox would have to have someone writing the script and start looking for producers etc. 3 years is an eternity though, my gut feeling tells me that, if things stay the same, they will try it again with a more limited budget. It would be an even more obvious rights grab.

It was Stan Lee. Somebody wrote a letter asking, since we were getting Spider-Man and Hulk (and Daredevil, Thor, Dr. Strange) TV shows if we would be getting an FF TV show.

His answer is burned into my brain because he indicated they were working toward a 'big-budget FF film'.

I'll have to dig through my comic books and see if I can find that.

Stan Lee is such a liar. In the documentary DOOMED (recommended watch), there is footage of him saying with a straight face that after that FF movie came out, ALL Marvel movies would be produced in house.

 

[TheVileOne]

close thread

lol

 

[TheVileOne]

If it indeed turns out that Marvel re-opened the 1993 agreement and handed over additional character rights to FOX for nothing more than a piece of the action of a franchise they don't control airing on networks they don't own:

a) I will admit that my insistence that there must be more to the deal than what was reported was extremely wrongheaded and

b) I will curse the folks at Disney/Marvel to high heaven for bending over the negotiating table, signing off on yet another Avi Arad style deal, and treating longtime fans of the FF franchise with callous disregard. I'll be turning in my MCU fandom post Infinity War.

Sorry but that's a little melodramatic. Marvel couldn't really make their own live-action X-Men TV shows anyway without getting Fox involved on some level. That's just the reality of it.

Now they can collaborate with Fox on TV, get paid money to co-produce shows, and probably reap syndication rewards, international rights, and all the other rewards that come with producing ongoing TV shows. Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes said the DC TV shows bring in $1 billion in revenue a year.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Pray for FF fans.

 

[Zarex]

Sorry but that's a little melodramatic. Marvel couldn't really make their own live-action X-Men TV shows anyway without getting Fox involved on some level. That's just the reality of it.

I disagree. It's a lot melodramatic. I mean, I'll still be watching MCU movies if they don't get the FF back. But I will not be paying the 3D surcharge.

Now they can collaborate with Fox on TV, get paid money to co-produce shows, and probably reap syndication rewards, international rights, and all the other rewards that come with producing ongoing TV shows. Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes said the DC TV shows bring in $1 billion in revenue a year.

But why collaborate when you can go it alone and keep all the money in house? The X-MEN branding is not particularly strong on either Legion or The Gifted, and Marvel could have done shows about mentally ill Inhumans and Inhumans on the run without cutting FOX in on the action. There are plenty of non-Murdoch networks that would bid for those shows in the era of peak TV. And the one billion in revenues -not profits - is nothing to sneeze at but it's tiny compared to the profits generated from one successful tent pole. And why did the negotiations take over a year if this was a simple licensing arrangement?

There's a lot about the deal that still doesn't make sense to me.

 

[TheVileOne]

But why collaborate when you can go it alone and keep all the money in house? The X-MEN branding is not particularly strong on either Legion or The Gifted, and Marvel could have done shows about mentally ill Inhumans and Inhumans on the run without cutting FOX in on the action. There are plenty of non-Murdoch networks that would bid for those shows in the era of peak TV. And the one billion in revenues -not profits - is nothing to sneeze at but it's tiny compared to the profits generated from one successful tent pole. And why did the negotiations take over a year if this was a simple licensing arrangement?

There's a lot about the deal that still doesn't make sense to me.

Why not do both? They are doing an Inhumans TV series and now they have the mutant themed shows for the Fox Networks. TV is a different landscape. I think there are FCC guidelines about how corporate entities can't dedicate all their air time to their own products. That's why you see WB produced shows like Gotham on FOX TV instead of just FOX TV productions on FOX TV.

Studios can't strictly air their own content only on their networks. They have to branch out.

This may seem strange, but even big movie studio lots will rent out their lot space to other studios and other productions than their own, including competitors. It's good business.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Well supposedly Sony has "final say" when it comes to the Sony/Marvel films.

 

[Spiderine]

So u mean to tell me Ego was shared all along? Marvel got the rights to a character they could have used anyways like Quicksilver instead of one they didnt have at all?

Wow....aint this bout a ............!

 

[I Am The Knight]

To be fair, "Negasonic Teenage Warhead" isn't exactly an A list character. Fox wasn't going to bend over just so that Tim Miller could change her powers.

 

[InCali]

Who? The fans or the FOX executives after the next FF reboot bombs worse than Fant4stic?

LOL. Hopefully the latter. A pox upon their homes!!!

Hopefully, there will be a graceful transition back to Marvel and we'll all be spared.

 

[Stark Bauer]

FF is a big liability for Fox. There is nothing for them to profit from this franchise. It's a dead weight and is only preventing them both them and Marvel Studios from greater successes.

 

[TheVileOne]

Marvel Comics' plummeting sales notwithstanding.