The Relationship Thread: Because Superhero Forums are Full of Sexperts! - - - - - - - - - Part 28

Status
Not open for further replies.
Personally, it's a red flag to me that he is moody. I've been with my wife for years and because of her work schedule and not seeing her for days at a time, I still look forward to seeing her when I get home. Or I schedule going out, errands when she is either at work, sleeping or out so when I'm home we can spend quality time together. I even sleep on the couch when she doesn't want to go upstairs to bed.

That's me though. But, if that's something you want, he may not be wired that way. I'm not saying that makes him a bad person. But while people can grow or change, it's really up to you to decide if you think he can or want to put the effort in sticking around.
My husband is moody, and will often not be loving or act excited to see me when he gets back from a long trip away. But the thing is, I KNOW it isn't me. I know he's moody because of bad traffic, of having to sit in a plane/car for hours, because of an argument with his parents or whatever, etc etc. I know it's not me because he's fine the next day, and usually apologizes for being moody.

If anything, the lack of communication should be the red flag.

In many ways, yes. When we have a chance to talk and connect, I remember all the reasons why I fell in love with her.

But I think the things that bother me the most about her are things that I feel like she can change or should be in control of, but either doesn't change or can't change for some reason. Like, she has ADHD, so I know that makes certain things harder for her, especially when it comes to school. And I've been trying my best to help her, whether it be by being by her side and pushing her to do things that she doubts that she's capable of, or by giving her advice on where she went wrong with something, but more often thn not, I feel like the only way to get the desired outcome that we both agree we want is if I do everything for her. And it's just gotten so frustrating lately because she wants to be able to do things on her own, but everytime she tries, she messes up and she underestimates things, and its like we have the same fights every week about the same things and I'm starting to feel like she won't ever change.
That's the thing, what I mentioned to hopeful before. You have to believe she's trying her best. Once you lose that trust, it takes a lot of effort to get it back. Or maybe you won't ever get it back, because you believe that she's taking advantage of you or whatnot. And that's just not a good recipe for a healthy relationship.

A lot of people can't handle folks who have mental impairments, so it's not like you're a bad person. It really does take the patience of a saint. I have a friend on the border of cutting off contact with her family because they don't understand her borderline personality disorder. I'm sure they want the best for her, but how they're handling it is precisely the opposite of what she needs. You have to look at your relationship and seeing if you are making each other better, in a big picture.
 
That's the thing, what I mentioned to hopeful before. You have to believe she's trying her best. Once you lose that trust, it takes a lot of effort to get it back. Or maybe you won't ever get it back, because you believe that she's taking advantage of you or whatnot. And that's just not a good recipe for a healthy relationship.

A lot of people can't handle folks who have mental impairments, so it's not like you're a bad person. It really does take the patience of a saint. I have a friend on the border of cutting off contact with her family because they don't understand her borderline personality disorder. I'm sure they want the best for her, but how they're handling it is precisely the opposite of what she needs. You have to look at your relationship and seeing if you are making each other better, in a big picture.
I'll put it this way. Me and her have had so many talks in the past and present about things, and see that she has a good head on her shoulders. She doesn't do anything to hurt people on purpose, she's not vengeful, despite the anger issue she has which seems to come from her ADHD. But she knows what's right more or les, but there's some disconnect between what she knows is right and what she does in terms of actions. My biggest fear is that in order to make this relationship work, I need to shut certain things down myself, which isn't easy because being with her has shown me that I have a lot of OCD tendencies and they can cause problems too.

But like in the case of school for example, she wanted space so she could prove she could do it alone, but she couldn't but for some reason she wouldn't admit it. There was always some excuse and when I tried to be real with her, it would always start a fight about how she just needs one more chance to prove things to people. But we're at the 100th chance already. I've tried to be there for her as best as I can but I just don't want to end up assuming the role of a parent when it comes to her. I need to know I can rely on her to get things done when it matters most, and in all honesty, as much as it pains me, I don't feel that way, and I'm desperately hoping I'm not full of false hope in believing in her.
 
I'll put it this way. Me and her have had so many talks in the past and present about things, and see that she has a good head on her shoulders. She doesn't do anything to hurt people on purpose, she's not vengeful, despite the anger issue she has which seems to come from her ADHD. But she knows what's right more or les, but there's some disconnect between what she knows is right and what she does in terms of actions. My biggest fear is that in order to make this relationship work, I need to shut certain things down myself, which isn't easy because being with her has shown me that I have a lot of OCD tendencies and they can cause problems too.

But like in the case of school for example, she wanted space so she could prove she could do it alone, but she couldn't but for some reason she wouldn't admit it. There was always some excuse and when I tried to be real with her, it would always start a fight about how she just needs one more chance to prove things to people. But we're at the 100th chance already. I've tried to be there for her as best as I can but I just don't want to end up assuming the role of a parent when it comes to her. I need to know I can rely on her to get things done when it matters most, and in all honesty, as much as it pains me, I don't feel that way, and I'm desperately hoping I'm not full of false hope in believing in her.
Yeah it's really hard when you have OCD controlling tendencies and your partner is really flighty and unpredictable.

And the fact of the matter is, even a parent has to let their child fail, and sometimes fail hard, in order for them to grow up. You can't clear a path for her forever.

It's okay to admit you can't do something, and find alternatives. It's immature to ignore growing proof that something is beyond your reach. But the fact is, nobody likes to be wrong. Nobody likes to fail. It's true for children, it's true for adults. Nobody likes to be told they're incapable or wrong. The faster you learn that, the easier your relationships with people will be.

It's doubly hard when you're doing it to "prove things to people." That's an insane amount of pressure, and frankly, I don't think you're helping, because now she's having to prove something to you too. It's a hell of a lot of pressure to make sure the relationship is happy, and frankly, I don't think any relationship needs a partner to "prove" something to the other. (Unless they're working back from someone cheating, which is insanely hard)

You have to accept her as she is. She's not your child, she's your partner. So start treating her like one. If you feel she can't be depended on, ask yourself what you're expecting to need from her, and then ask if you really need her to do it. I have a retirement account, my husband doesn't. He doesn't believe in saving money specifically for retirement. Treating him like a child about that would do no good, so I try to save for the both of us. (And he's SOL if we got divorced. :funny: ) Insisting that you're right and she's wrong, is pushing your beliefs onto her, and only reinforcing the fact that you do not see her as an equal. You see her as lesser, because you act like you know better. Well, maybe "better" in your definition, but life's not a contest.

People are not perfect. We all have our sensitive spots, and it sounds like school is one of hers if she's so defensive about it. Reminding her that she's failed again is not going to help.

She has to want to change for herself, not for others. Not even to prove something to others, or to you, or her love for you or whatever. For herself. And until that day happens, the best thing you can do is be encouraging by offering alternatives if something isn't working out. If her current path is truly what she wants, she'll stick to her guns. If it's not, well, at least you've offered support and encouragement and a non-judgmental ear.

I've been the main source of support for my aforementioned friend with borderline personality disorder. Talking with her is like going on a merry-go-round. Every week, it's the same cycle of insecurities, paranoia, depression, some optimism, back to insecurity, etc. As far as I can tell, she's been like this for years and has been unable to change in a way that turns her life around. (I think she is learning slowly, but not in a way that means big life changes.) But I can't live her life for her, and I've found that what she really needs, what truly helps, is a non-judgmental ear. That's what I'm giving her that her family is not, because her family just tells her how she should live her life, but they don't understand that she simply cannot do it the way that they expect her to. So I don't try doing that - I offer alternatives. She told me recently that when she talks to me, "everything makes sense," and it was one of the greatest compliments anyone has given me. I do want to show people a path, but I let them clear it for themselves. That's the only way to change people and leave them empowered at the same time.

It's really hard when you have OCD and controlling tendencies. But you can't control other people. You just can't. You have to accept her as she is, or let her go.
 
Last edited:
My husband is moody, and will often not be loving or act excited to see me when he gets back from a long trip away. But the thing is, I KNOW it isn't me. I know he's moody because of bad traffic, of having to sit in a plane/car for hours, because of an argument with his parents or whatever, etc etc. I know it's not me because he's fine the next day, and usually apologizes for being moody.

If anything, the lack of communication should be the red flag.

I think there is a lack of communication, but in terms of this guy, the whole I've only said love to my family and living with her for 9 months and almost dating a year and after her professing her love and being on a relaxing Holiday, in that context I think it's a red flag if not a huge off shoot of it. It'd be one thing if they were sporadically seeing each other while living apart.

Again this is me, this is her first relationship, if she sees potential in him to grow then she could stick it out.
 
I need to know I can rely on her to get things done when it matters most, and in all honesty, as much as it pains me, I don't feel that way, and I'm desperately hoping I'm not full of false hope in believing in her.

Outside of her scholastic mistakes, what has she done or not done I your relationship that says she is not reliable?
 
Yeah it's really hard when you have OCD controlling tendencies and your partner is really flighty and unpredictable.

And the fact of the matter is, even a parent has to let their child fail, and sometimes fail hard, in order for them to grow up. You can't clear a path for her forever.

It's okay to admit you can't do something, and find alternatives. It's immature to ignore growing proof that something is beyond your reach. But the fact is, nobody likes to be wrong. Nobody likes to fail. It's true for children, it's true for adults. Nobody likes to be told they're incapable or wrong. The faster you learn that, the easier your relationships with people will be.

It's doubly hard when you're doing it to "prove things to people." That's an insane amount of pressure, and frankly, I don't think you're helping, because now she's having to prove something to you too. It's a hell of a lot of pressure to make sure the relationship is happy, and frankly, I don't think any relationship needs a partner to "prove" something to the other. (Unless they're working back from someone cheating, which is insanely hard)

You have to accept her as she is. She's not your child, she's your partner. So start treating her like one. If you feel she can't be depended on, ask yourself what you're expecting to need from her, and then ask if you really need her to do it. I have a retirement account, my husband doesn't. He doesn't believe in saving money specifically for retirement. Treating him like a child about that would do no good, so I try to save for the both of us. (And he's SOL if we got divorced. :funny: ) Insisting that you're right and she's wrong, is pushing your beliefs onto her, and only reinforcing the fact that you do not see her as an equal. You see her as lesser, because you act like you know better. Well, maybe "better" in your definition, but life's not a contest.

People are not perfect. We all have our sensitive spots, and it sounds like school is one of hers if she's so defensive about it. Reminding her that she's failed again is not going to help.

She has to want to change for herself, not for others. Not even to prove something to others, or to you, or her love for you or whatever. For herself. And until that day happens, the best thing you can do is be encouraging by offering alternatives if something isn't working out. If her current path is truly what she wants, she'll stick to her guns. If it's not, well, at least you've offered support and encouragement and a non-judgmental ear.

I've been the main source of support for my aforementioned friend with borderline personality disorder. Talking with her is like going on a merry-go-round. Every week, it's the same cycle of insecurities, paranoia, depression, some optimism, back to insecurity, etc. As far as I can tell, she's been like this for years and has been unable to change in a way that turns her life around. (I think she is learning slowly, but not in a way that means big life changes.) But I can't live her life for her, and I've found that what she really needs, what truly helps, is a non-judgmental ear. That's what I'm giving her that her family is not, because her family just tells her how she should live her life, but they don't understand that she simply cannot do it the way that they expect her to. So I don't try doing that - I offer alternatives. She told me recently that when she talks to me, "everything makes sense," and it was one of the greatest compliments anyone has given me. I do want to show people a path, but I let them clear it for themselves. That's the only way to change people and leave them empowered at the same time.

It's really hard when you have OCD and controlling tendencies. But you can't control other people. You just can't. You have to accept her as she is, or let her go.
Just to be clear, being with her has opened up my eyes a lot about some of my own issues and there are things that I don't have a problem admitting about myself, and I'm not really trying to slam her or anything.

But one of the reasons why I bring up school with her so much is because she says its her number 1 priority. She was on a dance team recently, that I felt was getting in the way of our relationship, as well as other responsibilities, such as house work that her mom gives her, taking care of her dog, and school, etc. We fought so much about that because she claimed it was just a hobby, and out of her three passions (singing, acting, and dancing) that was the only thing she felt good at, but it was because she had been dancing since she was 7. But her heart was more with the other two, and I saw it. I saw how she was only on the team to please her mom, and because her childhood friends were on it, but I never saw that passion or desire to be the best from it. And it took her failing 2 classes to see that I wasn't talking out of jealousy, but from a place where I was only trying to help her be happy.

She quit the team in January, to focus on school, and a couple of weeks later she was contacted by a friend of her mom's who knew a music producer so now she's working on that, and has been neglecting school a bit, and she's in the same predicament. And it just hurts me because I know that in May, she's most likely going to fail two more classes, and we created a plan to help her graduate next May, which would be her 7th year in school. And it sucks that I see her going down this path, and now she finally sees it, but it's too late. She could very well be kicked out of school if her grade drop anymore.

Something I've tried to help her understand is, I'm not trying to do things for her. I understand that ADHD limits her, and I'm trying to know what I need to do. I remind her of things constantly because I know she has short term memory loss, but its not good enough. I've set alarms on her phone, I've called her at various times of the day to make sure she remembers to do certain things. The reason why I do so much is not to control her, but because I recognize that I have certain strengths and I'm trying to help her get better so that she can be independent. Her mom is a lot more like me, and I know she's gotten used to her mom doing everything for her. But she's 23, and I'm trying to see if this is what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life if we do get married, or if there will be change and we can both live our lives apart and come together to have the life we both want.

Outside of her scholastic mistakes, what has she done or not done I your relationship that says she is not reliable?
Well, considering the way we started, I already had trust issues and she didn't ease them. IT took her a month in a half to finally break up with her boyfriend, even though she said she felt so much more with me than she did with him, and knowing him and his personality, everyone knows she's much happier with herself and with me than she ever was with him. But the fact that it took her so long to do that really hurt.

And on top of that, there are the countless times she's lied about things, big and small, just to protect herself, but its to the point where I can't really tell if she's being honest. Like she'll complain about being cold, so I would remind her before she leaves in the morning to take a hat and scarf, and if I ask her if she has it, she'll say yes, but then if I see her later in the day, I'll ask what happened and she'll admit she never wore it in the first place. It's little things like that that continue to build to the point where if I see how a small issue like that turns into a big fight, how are things going to be if there's a serious offense. Like I've been there, next to her, in her house, in her bed, while her boyfriend was calling her and I've heard her lie to him, or to her mom about things to the point where I know how she thinks and acts and when something is up, and it's just a year after all the talks and fights that we've had about such issues, I just don't know at what point I'm supposed to say enough is enough.
 
I think there is a lack of communication, but in terms of this guy, the whole I've only said love to my family and living with her for 9 months and almost dating a year and after her professing her love and being on a relaxing Holiday, in that context I think it's a red flag if not a huge off shoot of it. It'd be one thing if they were sporadically seeing each other while living apart.

Again this is me, this is her first relationship, if she sees potential in him to grow then she could stick it out.
Sure, but we don't really know if his moodiness and lack of reciprocity is a regular thing. Despite my husband's general moody demeanor every day about work/traveling/people/weather/etc, 99.9999% of the time, he softens when I show him affection when he's moody, so I know he knows I still love him.

Hopeful only mentioned that she feels that she doesn't love him if he isn't reciprocating affection to her. So I'm just going by that, and as far as I can see, it's a communication issue by him, and perhaps a trust/confidence issue with her.

But one of the reasons why I bring up school with her so much is because she says its her number 1 priority. She was on a dance team recently, that I felt was getting in the way of our relationship, as well as other responsibilities, such as house work that her mom gives her, taking care of her dog, and school, etc. We fought so much about that because she claimed it was just a hobby, and out of her three passions (singing, acting, and dancing) that was the only thing she felt good at, but it was because she had been dancing since she was 7. But her heart was more with the other two, and I saw it. I saw how she was only on the team to please her mom, and because her childhood friends were on it, but I never saw that passion or desire to be the best from it. And it took her failing 2 classes to see that I wasn't talking out of jealousy, but from a place where I was only trying to help her be happy.

She quit the team in January, to focus on school, and a couple of weeks later she was contacted by a friend of her mom's who knew a music producer so now she's working on that, and has been neglecting school a bit, and she's in the same predicament. And it just hurts me because I know that in May, she's most likely going to fail two more classes, and we created a plan to help her graduate next May, which would be her 7th year in school. And it sucks that I see her going down this path, and now she finally sees it, but it's too late. She could very well be kicked out of school if her grade drop anymore.
Ah yes, another basic tenet of human behavior: What people tell you is often VERY different from what they actually do. Never go by what people say to you. Their behavior will show the truth. (Or at least, combine what you hear when what you observe to make your own conclusions.)

In many cases, when people self-sabotage, I feel that it's because they're afraid of failure. Not failure in itself, because they self-sabotage after all. But they are deathly afraid of having to say that they tried their best....and still failed despite their best efforts. By sabotaging themselves, they can look back and tell themselves, "Well, if only this-and-this had changed or happened, I might have made it!" NOBODY wants to think that they are incapable of doing something, full stop. So they give themselves handicaps, an out to excuse each failure instead of stepping up with 100% of their efforts.

I don't know her, but from what you've written, it sounds like she's so focused on proving herself to people - that she can do school but OH she can be successful working with this music producer too, that'll show people! - that she is unable to admit when she is unable to do things.

And lots of people have this issue. The only way out of it, I believe, is to be okay with yourself. There should be no need to prove yourself to anyone. You are enough as your are. And then set realistic goals for yourself.

Something I've tried to help her understand is, I'm not trying to do things for her. I understand that ADHD limits her, and I'm trying to know what I need to do. I remind her of things constantly because I know she has short term memory loss, but its not good enough. I've set alarms on her phone, I've called her at various times of the day to make sure she remembers to do certain things. The reason why I do so much is not to control her, but because I recognize that I have certain strengths and I'm trying to help her get better so that she can be independent. Her mom is a lot more like me, and I know she's gotten used to her mom doing everything for her. But she's 23, and I'm trying to see if this is what I have to look forward to for the rest of my life if we do get married, or if there will be change and we can both live our lives apart and come together to have the life we both want.
But that's still treating her like a child. You can only suggest (as someone with those strengths) that she set alarms on her phone, or have her ask you call her to remind her. The rest is up to her.

I am THE WORST when my parents nag me about things. As an adult, staying with them for more than a couple of days makes me feel like a useless child again, and I hate that feeling.

My husband doesn't nag me. In fact, he does the opposite. When we have somewhere to go and I still want to sleep in, he'll tell me that we need to go soon, then tuck the blankets around me some more. :funny: Then I get up because he's just so kind and I've guilt-tripped myself into it.

There have been times where he's gotten more "nag-gy" about certain things, but we don't do the same "You never remember to do X!" song-and-dance about it each time. I suggest what will honestly help me remember something, then he does it to help me remember to do things. Like, I used to forget to put leftovers in the fridge (after it's cooled and he's gone to bed), so I suggested we put a wine bottle on my desk when I have to do it. I usually forget because I'm so focused on computer things, but I never have a wine bottle on my desk, so that reminds me. It isn't like I'm a failure because I need a reminder - each person just have to do what works for them.

And on top of that, there are the countless times she's lied about things, big and small, just to protect herself, but its to the point where I can't really tell if she's being honest. Like she'll complain about being cold, so I would remind her before she leaves in the morning to take a hat and scarf, and if I ask her if she has it, she'll say yes, but then if I see her later in the day, I'll ask what happened and she'll admit she never wore it in the first place. It's little things like that that continue to build to the point where if I see how a small issue like that turns into a big fight, how are things going to be if there's a serious offense. Like I've been there, next to her, in her house, in her bed, while her boyfriend was calling her and I've heard her lie to him, or to her mom about things to the point where I know how she thinks and acts and when something is up, and it's just a year after all the talks and fights that we've had about such issues, I just don't know at what point I'm supposed to say enough is enough.
Yeah, the lack of honest communication is going to be really hard. What I told you about my husband and I setting reminders for me, only works if there is open and honest communication between both parties. First, I have to admit that I need a reminder, and know myself well enough to suggest something that would really work for me. Then he has to be okay with using one, and not berate me for needing to use a reminder, etc etc.

It sounds a lot like she really hates to be wrong, which is why she has the whole hangup about school, and why she lied to you about the hat and scarf. She doesn't want to be the kind of person who needs reminding - she wants to think that she's smarter/better/stronger than that.

There might also be a component of needing to please people, which may amount to lying to them, telling them what they want to hear instead of telling them a truth that may upset them. (And humans are notoriously bad at acting in their long-term interests, which is why she doesn't think about the resulting argument when you do find out the truth.)

If you started out having trust issues, this is going to be a long road, because her actions don't follow her words (which is a relatively minor and very common thing), and you already know that she will lie to get out of upsetting situations (which is much more serious), and apparently lots of big life issues can upset her. But you are going to have to trust that she's trying her best, and it's not the same thing as trusting what she says to you day in and day out.

I don't care if my friend with BPD changes her mind every week (which she does) - I trust that she's honestly expressing what she's feeling at that moment. I don't need her to be right. I do trust that she's trying her best, and that allows me to give her suggestions, because at least she is trying.

Your gf has to want to be better. Not just look better on paper for other people (including you), but honestly change her behavior when something she does upsets you, or when she wants something in her life to change. And the first step is admitting when she's wrong or honestly needs another path, and it sounds like she hasn't quite gotten there yet.
 
*sigh* I have a feeling that my mother isn't going to like this guy that I fancy. He's good looking but he doesn't let it go to his head. He's just as comfortable in jeans, sweats, T-shirts, all around casual wear. He's not flashy and he's alright with just doing anything, even if it's sitting at home playing video games together or going out bowling. I think he's a perfect match for my strong willed personality because he likes a woman that's a bit stubborn because he craves someone that won't demurely back down from his assertive personality. He's currently unhappy because the women he's been with are too compliant and don't challenge him and he hates that. He likes being put in his place by a woman. It's a bit of an excitement for him to have a woman that can stand toe to toe with him.

Unfortunately my mother really likes this one guy. He's a nice guy that's a snappy dresser but he's too compliant with other people's opinions and suggestions. He follows orders lie an obedient little puppy and even if someone's behavior is wrong he won't step in and correct it. He just let's the most brazen, disrespectful, awful behavior slide because he's too afraid of losing all these fake friends and hanger ons. He's even let jealous little girls that behave so irrational aggressive towards me attack me and pester me, not butting in and telling them to stop, in fact he just passively stays put of it and only does something after the damage has been done. He's way too polite and proper for my taste. He's too accommodating of other people that he lets me be railroaded by these prisses all the time without doing anything about it. But my mom likes him because he has that charm and razzle dazzle.

I don't think she's going to like that other guy because he's just as rough around the edges as I am. But yet he makes me happy because he's not afraid of speaking up when he sees behavior towards me he doesn't like. That and I'd love to suggest a business venture to him to buy some land and build a skate park because our city needs one for the kids. Well, that and I'd been thinking it gives me an outlet to meet people who may or may not play Monster Hunter so I can engage in some Local multiplaying sessions with them or get people locally interested in the game. I know he'd like that a lot. You see, we have more in common that is not narcissistic at all, but is derived from fun activities we both are interested in. I share absolutely very little in common with that sharp dressed man. My mom may not like my choice but he makes me happy even though he's not the most polite person in the world. I think if we could spend some quality time together in the presence of my mom she'll warm up to him and see how much fun we have.
 
^^ Have you actually dated either of them? It wasn't clear that you were talking from actual experience, or projecting from what you know about these guys as friends/acquaintances.

And unless your mom is totally out of touch with reality, she'll come around to like the person you get along best with. My sister's ex is perfect on paper (charming and rich too!) but when my parents saw them together, they disliked him immediately because she was DIFFERENT around him, and not in a good way. Whereas my husband didn't make the best first impression as an individual, but when they saw us together, they accepted him immediately.
 
So yesterday was my 6 month anniversary with my girlfriend. I made a Facebook post today kidding that if we had kids they would go mad from her and my differences in beliefs. She being a Christian and I an atheist. Her mother replied "fyi: No Jesus = Deal Breaker."

So yeah, things are about to get real.
 
So yesterday was my 6 month anniversary with my girlfriend. I made a Facebook post today kidding that if we had kids they would go mad from her and my differences in beliefs. She being a Christian and I an atheist. Her mother replied "fyi: No Jesus = Deal Breaker."

So yeah, things are about to get real.
Congrats on the anniversary, but yikes, do you know if her mother likes you at all?
 
Congrats on the anniversary, but yikes, do you know if her mother likes you at all?

I dont think she does. She gives me glares and doesnt answer when I say hello. My gf says that is just the way she is and that she really likes me. I doubt that.

Her mom has said that she wants to burn my bumperstickers (one is a liberal sticker and the other is an atheist opinion). She also threatened to burn my Darwin t-shirt. My gf said that is just her sense of humor.
 
I am just so fustrated at myself right now. As most of y'all know I made reference to a girl I met through a mutal friend and also attend church with etc. Well for the past year, I developed sort of a crush some would say on her. Now I am an introvert shy guy, but I been trying to break out of it by going to match.com stir events etc. However, the girl is difficult to read. I mean she is a sweet person in general, but she only engages in physical contact with only certain people, such as hugging them or touching them in general. I happen to be one of those people she hugs ALOT. I always try to work up the courage to ask her out because there are moments where I think she likes me more than a friend. Prolonged eye contact and smile, hugs, liking my random musings on social media etc. But I ALWAYS freeze when I am with her.

It's like I am a junior high kid again even though I am 27. Also, she is super attractive and I am maybe average looking at best. Honestly, she could have any guy she wants really , she is THAT good looking. A guy like me shouldn't have girls like that ( according to society any way lol). I think the biggest thing that holds me back is that if I am wrong and she only likes me as a friend, things could get weird and I will lose her friendship... It's a tough situation. Any of you been in a situation like this? If so what did you do and how did it turn out?
 
Do you guys hang out? Then don't worry about using the friendship.

Listen I can somewhat empathize in being shy just to not to your extent, but either s or get off the pot because if this woman is half as wonderful as you make her out to be someone else will ask her out.

You won't find the answers here or with your friends. The only person who can really tell you is her.
 
Do you guys hang out? Then don't worry about using the friendship.

Listen I can somewhat empathize in being shy just to not to your extent, but either s or get off the pot because if this woman is half as wonderful as you make her out to be someone else will ask her out.

You won't find the answers here or with your friends. The only person who can really tell you is her.

We never hung out alone. It's usually with a group of other friends or at a social event at church etc. There have been other guys that have asked her out or shown interest in her, but for some reason she seems to not be interested. Like she gets like 60+ likes on Facebook when ever she uploads a new pic. They are usually guys leaving flirty comments etc. But She is a around awesome person, smart, caring, down to earth etc. I wanna just man up and tell her who I feel I really do. But that nagging fear of her just liking me as a friend and the awkwardness afterward is what prevents me from doing so. But it's getting to the point where this girl is never far from my thoughts. So I know I am gonna eventually have to tell her so that I can know how she feels and wheather or not I need to move on.
 
Last edited:
You said it, you don't hang out alone. So even if there is awkwardness you two are usually in a group setting. And lastly, you are asking her out not serenading your love to her.
 
If you're not serenading, you're not doing it right. :o

But really, my advice would be to ask if she could ever see anything between you two. It's low pressure, and if she says no, there's really no damage done and you can move on. If she says yes or maybe, ask her out.
 
Why does he have to ask her if he sees anything between them?

That puts her in a more uncomfortable position then saying hey do you want to grab coffee or dinner this weekend.
 
Why does he have to ask her if he sees anything between them?

That puts her in a more uncomfortable position then saying hey do you want to grab coffee or dinner this weekend.
How about [hey do you want to grab coffee or dinner this weekend] + [ask her at coffee/dinner if she sees anything between them] = :up: :atp:
 
Eh, it's worked for me before. Nothing would get lost in translation, like her thinking it's just a friend hang out.
 
To me dating is an exercise in gauging compatibility.

Asking do you see anything between us on the first date, yet alone prior to the first date is like you want to bypass the whole dating part and straight into a relationship. That's what it sounds like to me.

Take it easy. Go on a date. See if you enjoy their company. Then go on next date. Repeat until there is a feeling of compatibility then escalate it.
 
Yea I think I would take the approach of asking her out for coffee. There is even a Gloria Jean's coffee shop in a central location.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread

Staff online

Latest posts

Forum statistics

Threads
202,266
Messages
22,075,211
Members
45,874
Latest member
kedenlewis
Back
Top
monitoring_string = "afb8e5d7348ab9e99f73cba908f10802"