The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 138

[shauner111]

How to make Joker different? Im not so sure when it comes to the way he acts. He needs to be with Harley Quinn next time though, because it's something that we haven't seen with the Joker. His interactions with her should be different from his interactions with the rest of the world. Even just slightly.

It'll lie somewhere between Nicholsons and Ledgers i assume. But i think Harley is key.

As for the others. Riddler should be like Arkham City's with a hint of Se7en thrown in. Penguin: Pain & Prejudice (the new comic) should be looked at for that character as well as the Arkham City version. A mob boss or mayor would be great too. And there's so many routes to take with Mr Freeze. Make him dark, more realistic than ever before but still a villain that seems a little "out there" even for Nolan.

 

[JackWhite]

Which reminds me, (almost) no one will ever complain about the Two-Face turn/development being too rushed ever again after seeing TDKR. I never had a problem with it.

Me neither. It was a great setup, IMO.

 

[bosef982]

How about NO Joker? I honestly think Joker could become the next Lex Luthor of film if he's used again.

Let him rest a while, build up anticipation for his return. ANything else is just going to diminish the character.

Let's move on to villains we haven't seen done or done right.

Clayface, Mad Hatter, Mr. Freeze (especially Freeze), The Riddler.

Actually, I feel like you could get the same anticipation out of The Riddler that you get from the Joker. He's nearly as popular and has that same strand of insanity if you take it there --

 

[Kane52630]

I'm all for using other villains but the Joker is going to be used again eventually, it's silly to think WB wont be using him ever again.

 

[Travesty]

Oh jesus, bosef, can you stop with your man-love for Heath?

 

[bosef982]

I havent been coming here as much, because the nitpicking was getting on my nerves. The movie has flaws, but some were just being anal about it.

Same here. And i know about ten or twenty other people who have just got fed up and disgusted with the boards and have left.

 

[bosef982]

not true IMO. after the movie is out a lot people come to the sections to talk about the movie. people a lot of times ignore the bat boards because the movie is not out yet.

what is happening with TDKR is very strange and extreme. after BB was out the bat boards were full for months. and it was the same with TDK. TDKR is the last batman movie from Nolan and its very empty.

i think .......that noone cares because the movie didnt suprise them like BB and TDK. they like the movie but nothing more.

I think you're making a pretty huge leap of logic here though.

 

[bosef982]

Oh jesus, bosef, can you stop with your man-love for Heath?

I'm actually neither a Joker or a Heath fan to be honest. So I don't know what you're talking about.

I just am saying don't drill a villain into the ground. Between Burton and Nolan, JOker's been done. There's a plethora of other Batman villains just as formidable and interesting -- if not more so at times -- than Joker and they can be used before returning to this well.

Just as I would suggest no one use Catwoman, Bane, Scarecrow, Ra's, or Talia at this point.

Create a new series/trilogy with a new theme and direction and let it fly. However, honestly, I feel like they should just go Bond.

Self-contained, one picture films that have a loose continuity. Nolan's was so episodic and BUrton/Schumacher's so disjointed, that we've never really had a Bond-approach to these films.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah... No Joker for me neither. For the love of Shiva, there are soooo many more villains haven't been utilized in live-action and villains that need a 'modern' take.

Deadshot
Deathstroke
Mr. Freeze
Owlman
The Penguin
Clayface
Catman
Killer Croc
The Riddler
Man-Bat
Hush
Black Mask
Hugo Strange
Prometheus

 

[bosef982]

I'm all for using other villains but the Joker is going to be used again eventually, it's silly to think WB wont be using him ever again.

It's silly to think they would. I work in the industry. Joker is just another villain, and execs do not think he's the one filling seats. They know that the way to build anticipation after Nolan's films is to do things differently, and that involves NOT doing anything that overlaps with Nolan's Batman -- including villains.

I have it on very good authority -- and I've been shown to be trustworthy -- that Joker is not in the foreseeable future for a Batman reboot. Just look at the new cartoon Beware The Batman -- the entire focus is off of ANY villains from the previous animated series or films.

I think fans are grafting their favortism for the Joker onto the executives in charge of these films. They do not -- trust me -- at all have the same love for Joker as people here do, and do not see him anywhere near a necessity for the continuation of the franchise.

Plus, Amazing Spider-Man has EVERYONE out here looking at their reboots and what not to do.

 

[bosef982]

Yeah... No Joker for me neither. For the love of Shiva, there are soooo many more villains haven't been utilized in live-action and villains that need a 'modern' take.

Deadshot
Deathstroke
Mr. Freeze
Owlman
The Penguin
Clayface
Catman
Killer Croc
The Riddler
Man-Bat
Hush
Black Mask
Hugo Strange
Prometheus

A 3-picture adaptation of Hush could be phenomenal.

 

[SuperFerret]

It's silly to think they would. I work in the industry. Joker is just another villain, and execs do not think he's the one filling seats. They know that the way to build anticipation after Nolan's films is to do things differently, and that involves NOT doing anything that overlaps with Nolan's Batman -- including villains.

I have it on very good authority -- and I've been shown to be trustworthy -- that Joker is not in the foreseeable future for a Batman reboot. Just look at the new cartoon Beware The Batman -- the entire focus is off of ANY villains from the previous animated series or films.

I think fans are grafting their favortism for the Joker onto the executives in charge of these films. They do not -- trust me -- at all have the same love for Joker as people here do, and do not see him anywhere near a necessity for the continuation of the franchise.

Plus, Amazing Spider-Man has EVERYONE out here looking at their reboots and what not to do.

Bovine feces.

 

[Travesty]

It's silly to think they would. I work in the industry. Joker is just another villain, and execs do not think he's the one filling seats.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

A 3-picture adaptation of Hush could be phenomenal.

I desperately want to see Hush finally receive the big screen treatment. Like Bane, Hush has some serious potential.

 

[BatLobster]

Honestly...if they end up doing another trilogy, I think it would be great to save Joker for the final film. They really need to build up the audience's appetite for this rebooted Batman world to the point where they're just dying to see the return of The Joker like we were after the final scene of Batman Begins.

In the meantime, there are so many other villains they can do justice to. A completely revamped Riddler should be at the top of their priority list IMO. And you have your Deadshots and Black Masks who could easily fill spots as secondary villains. Man it's interesting to think about where they'll take this franchise next.

Would love to see Hugo Strange as the primary villain for the first film in the rebooted series too. Now there's a character with loads of untapped potential, and there'd be something fitting about using Batman's first ever nemesis in the new cinematic starting point for the character.

 

[aeioulul]

Hahaha

 

[Micromind]

It's silly to think they would. I work in the industry. Joker is just another villain, and execs do not think he's the one filling seats.

I don't want to see Joker anytime soon either, let's give some screen time to other Bat-villains.

Having said that, you are under-estimating the popularity of Joker, even Spider-Man fans are acknowledging the fact that Joker is a popular Batman villain and they want their version of joker (Green Goblin) in the sequel to TASM.

 

[aeioulul]

I would love to see Hush, Freeze, Hugo Strange, Black Mask or Deathshot on the next Batman movie.

 

[Doctor Who]

So... I see all of these transitions of names, I feel that I'll be happy just to dictate names now.

Stephens is now Bullock
Ramirez is now Montoya
Jen is now Holly
Barsad is now Zombie
Judge Merc is now Trogg

Just sayin'...

 

[shauner111]

It's silly to think they would. I work in the industry. Joker is just another villain, and execs do not think he's the one filling seats. They know that the way to build anticipation after Nolan's films is to do things differently, and that involves NOT doing anything that overlaps with Nolan's Batman -- including villains.

I have it on very good authority -- and I've been shown to be trustworthy -- that Joker is not in the foreseeable future for a Batman reboot. Just look at the new cartoon Beware The Batman -- the entire focus is off of ANY villains from the previous animated series or films.

I think fans are grafting their favortism for the Joker onto the executives in charge of these films. They do not -- trust me -- at all have the same love for Joker as people here do, and do not see him anywhere near a necessity for the continuation of the franchise.

Plus, Amazing Spider-Man has EVERYONE out here looking at their reboots and what not to do.

I like this. I absolutely adore the Joker and we will see him again, and i want to see him again as long as it's yet another different take. But i seriously hope you're right.

If they can hold it, id rather they dont give us Joker for as long as they can. There was what? a 19 year difference between Nicholson and Ledger? I'm thinking around the 12 to 15 year mark this time. I had this feeling that WB would want to rush him out but if you're right, then im glad that they'll be patient and give him some space.

I'm been seriously hoping that the next director or two leave ALL of Nolans villains alone. There's 3 other massive villains that need to be done and at least a few more obscure ones that should be brought to life. Waaay before they re-introduce any of those characters.

LMAO!

 

[Doctor Who]

 

[Travesty]

Hahaha

LMAO!

*Cory would be proud of me right now.

 

[Zatanna]

^

 

[shauner111]

OK i think im good now. I was laughing so hard after seeing those gifs..

As for the request of Deadshot and Hush. With Deadshot appearing in "Arrow" and probably a Suicide Squad movie, i dont see him being explored in a Batman film. He's become more of a general DC villain nowadays, more so than just a "solo Batman rogue".

I don't know too much about Hush but i would prefer they tackle him in a future re-telling of Bruce's origin. He's only a 10 year old character so they have time to save him for something else.

Using Hush in Batmans origin (decades from now) would be a way to parallel Hush's backstory with Batman's. Perhaps seeing a bit of Bruce's childhood through the eyes of Thomas Elliot. A different way to go about it maybe.

But an origin is not something any of us want to see. So if you guys have ideas on how to use Hush without making it feel like they're covering the same old ground with Bruces origin then im all ears. I wanna hear it. Another thing is, you can get away with that character in a origin story where the focus is on a new Batman, but u may not be able to pass off a new Bat-flick (a sequel) with such a low-key villain. It wouldnt interest the general public what so ever.

 

[Zatanna]

What are some comic book love interests that you'd like to see for Bruce in a reboot? Or is none at all your preference?