The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 138

[BlackFox]

If you could all keep one actor from this trilogy for the reboot... who would it be?

Gary Oldman. He nailed Gordon.

 

[Deserana]

Well, in the mind of the average Gothamite, if they tried to rebel against Bane, the trigger-man would detonate the bomb. It's complicated when not only do you not know who to go after, but the main guy that you can go after is a psycho terrorist willing to die for his cause. Not to mention he has an army of thousands that's growing by the day. Any meager uprising would have only served to make the average Gothamites look helpless and pathetic, so it's the same end result.

However, I definitely would've enjoyed seeing some regular people back up the police in the final battle, since that's an "everything comes down to this" kind of situation. It could have definitely been done, but for whatever reason it wasn't. Maybe to give the police a moment of glory for a change.

Yeah I guess that's true I didn't think about it like that. I think that some people would have had the mindset Gordon had that "well he's never gonna give it to one of us" but oh well. Seeing them inspired by the flame would something I would have loved to see.

Someone did say that they filmed a scene of people leaving houses with weapons that were not mercenarys.

Yeah I dont like the idea of it being split in two but there was so much in this film perhaps it could have pulled it off in a satisfactory way, I'm sort of torn over the idea of it. There's so much Nolan crammed into this one its fit to burst at the seams. I'm very happy with what we got but damn you just always want that bit more, sign of a good story teller I guesst:

Here's hoping for an extended cut, but dont have high hopes

Yeah whenever I watched the film I couldn't help but think "this is ******* awesome" but then as soon as I leave I'm always thinking of things that could have elevated it further. I think knowing the first draft was initially 400 pages has affected how I feel cause I keep thinking "I bet this was explored more in this script".

 

[Deserana]

Murphy as Scarecrow. As the only actor to play a Bat-villain in multiple films, it would honestly feel weird to see someone else in that role! Plus, he had three appearances and it still feels like we only got a small taste of the character.

Completely agree!!! I still find it weird that he was never given a decent send off. But I do like the fact he is a character that has been in all three.

But was it just me who thought his accent changed in TDKR? I swear he was more Irish!?

But the person I'd choose to keep is Bale as Bruce. I can't picture anyone else in the role now... and although he seemed to dip a little in TDK he was exceptional in BB and TDKR.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The 400 page draft had 230 more pages of John Blake and Foley. </joke>

 

[shauner111]

If you could all keep one actor from this trilogy for the reboot... who would it be?

That's a tricky one. I really don't like the idea of that but if i had to it would be Michael Caine or Morgan Freeman. It wouldn't work of course because they had such awesome chemistry with Bale that it would fall flat, but that's my choice. But they're gettin old heh.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I would definitely pick Gary Oldman...

A Gotham Central TV series with him would be awesome.

 

[shauner111]

True but im dying to see Bryan Cranston as Gordon.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

He was absoultely fantastic in Batman: Year One...

If we have to replace Gary, let it be with Bryan Cranston.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

I would of said Heath as Joker.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm so torn about Cranston as Gordon. On one hand, it's almost too obvious...on the other hand he'd definitely be great in the role.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I would of said Heath as Joker.

I do not envy the poor actor who has to follow Heath as the big screen Joker...

Then again, Heath had to follow Jack Nicholson and didn't give a damn.

 

[Marvolo]

Cranston could be a really good Gordan. As much as i loved the cast in Nolans films carrying them over to another incarnation of Batman would be a bad idea even if it was a small character. Those actors belong in Nolans trilogy and i think having any of them in the next incarnation would muddy the distinction between Nolans films and what is to come. I really dont want people thinking Nolans is connected in any way to what is to come. It needs to be completely seperate. New cast and all.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Cranston could be a really good Gordan. As much as i loved the cast in Nolans films carrying them over to another incarnation of Batman would be a bad idea even if it was a small character. Those actors belong in Nolans trilogy and i think having any of them in the next incarnation would muddy the distinction between Nolans films and what is to come. I really dont want people thinking Nolans is connected in any way to what is to come. It needs to be completely seperate. New cast and all.

No I know... it was just a 'what if?'.

 

[The Guard]

It's pretty implied that she had to turn to crime. I thought that was pretty clear. Plus, the homeless LITERALLY living in the sewer, looking for work, only to be recruited and then work for Bane's army wasn't enough?

That tells me what's going on with some of the homeless. Not Gotham in general. Am I to assume that because some of the homeless work for Bane that somehow things in Gotham are bad for everyone else?

The idea of the homeless working for Bane is a cool one, but connecting that to the larger idea of economic inequality for everyone? That's thin, at best.

I get that you want to have a character sit down and have all these things explored in the film, since as you say that Nolan doesn't do subtle, but come on, are you not going to do any work to meet the film half way?

No, I wanted the concepts explored. I wanted at least a few scenes where the concepts are explored VS single sentences about them.

I ain't saying be talked to through out the picture but if I can pick up on what Nolan's working towards and you can't, then why are we even discussing this?

Its got nothing to do with me not being able to pick up on what Nolan is working toward. Like I said, he doesn't really do subtle, its not hard to pick up on. What Nolan is working towards is all well and good...but my problem with it is not that its not spelled out or obvious...its that the exploration of an interesting concept is incomplete.

You interpreted the film one way. I did another. Ultimately, I can't have a discussion with you about the film because you don't think it works. I do. We can pretty much end this now.

Fair enough.

 

[Kane52630]

A Gotham Central TV series with him would be awesome.

I know, ever since I read the first volume I really wish WB would get on the ball of making a Gotham Central TV show. It's got full of material to where they could use bits and pieces and could make up their own storylines. And since there's rarely any Batman or Gordon, they can save their appearances when something really big happens.

 

[Greens]

I'd love a Gotham-based TV series, period.

 

[Zatanna]

Gary Oldman. He nailed Gordon.

The thing I love most about Oldman is that he makes each character he plays his own. He did nail Gordon, but he also made it completely his own. Unique. I don't think I'd ever love another as much as I love him.

 

[Deserana]

 

[Greens]

Bane loves saying mobile.

MOBIIIILE.

 

[GENERAL RAAM582]

Would of been better if the image was, you know, mobile.

 

[Two-Face]

If you could all keep one actor from this trilogy for the reboot... who would it be?

Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent. He gave great performance which was unrated and he's an great actor as well. Second is Gary Oldman.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

Aaron Eckhart as Harvey Dent. He gave great performance which was unrated...

What?! It was PG-13 man!

 

[AnneFan]

I do not envy the poor actor who has to follow Heath as the big screen Joker...

Then again, Heath had to follow Jack Nicholson and didn't give a damn.

Yeah. The guy who follows Heath, it's going to be hard. Comparisons will obviously be made, but the best way to look at it will be something completely different. Just as Ledger's grungier version compares to Nicholson's prissier version.

 

[Deserana]

I don't know where they could take the next Joker...

The kid friendly one has been done (Hamill), the laughing, light, insane, killer (Nicholson) and the dark, murderous, evil, crazy, funny, psychopath (Ledger).

What other ways are there to go?

 

[Greens]

I hope the next actor finds kind of a middle ground between Jack and Heath.