The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 138

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There are so many GREAT ideas in this film, that can foster additional thought about various concepts, but so few of them are paid anything but lip service.


Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. It's almost like Nolan was trying to cram in so much that he neglected to put any focus on any one aspect. It's all well and good to bring up different issues throughout a movie, but they have to be defined and articulated so as not run over the top of one and other, otherwise ideas are cancelling each other out. A movie with great ideas means nothing if they aren't given the proper time and care to be delivered properly, otherwise the result is only ideas, well intentioned as they may be.
 
Was it true that Ra's mentions a son in Batman Begins? Someone told me yes, but I don't believe that right. Can anyone confirm? Thanks!
 
Was it true that Ra's mentions a son in Batman Begins? Someone told me yes, but I don't believe that right. Can anyone confirm? Thanks!

I dont remember him mentioning a son, just his great love that he lost.
 
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. It's almost like Nolan was trying to cram in so much that he neglected to put any focus on any one aspect. It's all well and good to bring up different issues throughout a movie, but they have to be defined and articulated so as not run over the top of one and other, otherwise ideas are cancelling each other out. A movie with great ideas means nothing if they aren't given the proper time and care to be delivered properly, otherwise the result is only ideas, well intentioned as they may be.
Maybe it was actually not Nolan's intention at all to bring any real economic disparities to focus in the actual story. After all, it was the mainstream media that pointed out the Occupy Wall St similarities to that one line uttered by Selina in the trailers. But when we saw it actually play out, Bane had always intended for the city to blow up no matter what anyone did, so he was not really giving anyone freedom. I highly doubt Nolan changed any of that so the movie wouldn't truly have political connotations.

To me, the entire thing about Talia and Bane's revenge was to show Bruce what would happen if he let his pain take over his entire life. He could become an unspeakable monster who would go to the grave with his pain. That was his impetus for finally moving on. There was nothing intended to rock us at our moral core the way Joker did. And that's okay.

At the same time, I'm still befuddled as to Bane's logic for inciting revolution. Here's a giant bomb that will level the city if even one person tries to leave. Go out and live your life in full now! Start a revolution, even if everyone is technically under my thumb!

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They cut a chunk of dialogue from Blake where he says "Bane's revolution is a sham" and that he is watching Gotham rearrange itself.
 
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Can someone clear up a plot point for me?

In the scene where the special forces guy, Blake, Fox, and Miranda are all talking about the eventual detonation of the bomb, and then they're all ambushed, Blake says "(???) sold us out." I've seen the film three times and I just can't understand him. Who's he referring to?
 
They also cut quite a funny line where Batman says he implants tracking devices into the people he cares about :funny:
 
Can someone clear up a plot point for me? In the scene where the special forces guy, Blake, Fox, and Miranda are all talking about the eventual detonation of the bomb, and then they're all ambushed, Blake says "(???) sold us out." I've seen the film three times and I just can't understand him. Who's he referring to?

According to the script it is simply "Fox, somebody sold us out".
 
They also cut quite a funny line where Batman says he implants tracking devices into the people he cares about :funny:

One of the things I'm so glad they cut. That would explain why he's always at the right time and place but creepy Batman is creepy. :hehe:
 
At the same time, I'm still befuddled as to Bane's logic for inciting revolution. Here's a giant bomb that will level the city if even one person tries to leave. Go out and live your life in full now! Start a revolution, even if everyone is technically under my thumb!

Actually, that was more a threat towards the outside world than it was to the people of Gotham.

And not everyone was under their thumb. If you watch closely, he targets the well off. The regular citizens still had power and supplies were still getting into the city. Foley's family is a prime example. While hiding, it's not like they were in their basements. They had power, access to their televisions.

I mean, he keeps the cops alive in order to make them understand what it means to serve true justice.
 
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One of the things I'm so glad they cut. That would explain why he's always at the right time and place but creepy Batman is creepy. :hehe:

The exchange is -

BATMAN
If you’re working alone, wear a
mask.

BLAKE
No one cares who I am.

BATMAN
The mask is not for you. It’s to
protect the people you care about.

BLAKE
Huh. And you always seem to know
where those people are. How is
that?

BATMAN
I lost someone once. Since then I
break into their homes when they’re
sleeping and implant a tracking
device on the back of their neck.

Blake laughs. Then feels the back of his neck. Batman tosses Blake a mini-mine.
 
Is this Selina?

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They cut a chunk of dialogue from Blake where he says "Bane's revolution is a sham" and that he is watching Gotham rearrange itself.

I can't believe that some people still believe that Bane had some good intention for Gotham's oppressed. This is where the whole anti-Occupy criticism bugs me. If anyone thought Bane actually was for the people, I question their intelligence.

Even Gordon said it when he confronted Foley. I don't know how much clear it can get that Bane's revolution is a sham.
 
Batman is on some straight up creeper status stuff right there.

 
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I can't believe that some people still believe that Bane had some good intention for Gotham's oppressed. This is where the whole anti-Occupy criticism bugs me. If anyone thought Bane actually was for the people, I question their intelligence.

Even Gordon said it when he confronted Foley. I don't know how much clear it can get that Bane's revolution is a sham.

Very true.
 
Batman is on some straight up creeper status stuff right there.



Yeah, I still chuckle whenever I re-read that. :woot:

I would have loved to have seen how Bale delivered that line :funny:

I can't believe that some people still believe that Bane had some good intention for Gotham's oppressed. This is where the whole anti-Occupy criticism bugs me. If anyone thought Bane actually was for the people, I question their intelligence.

Even Gordon said it when he confronted Foley. I don't know how much clear it can get that Bane's revolution is a sham.

This.
 
You know if Batman put a tracer on Miranda, he might've known who she really is... :p
 
What does Blake say to the dead cement workers after he kills them? some kind of "who are you working for?" i've seen it 4 times, he sounds Japanese i can't understand it.
 
So, Selina's words and warning to Bruce don't count? Or the fact that Alfred openly acknowledges that the city doesn't need Batman but Bruce Wayne...his resources, his knowledge, only for that to come to fruition at the end of the film doesn't count?

No.

Because telling me about the existence of a concept in a line or two, based on one characters biased assessment of the rich, isn’t a satisfying exploration of that concept, in this case, of economic inequality for an entire city.

There's absolutely enough shown and told within the film to get the point across. It's just not overt, as you would like it.

Oh, it's very, very overt. Nolan doesn't do subtle. But the point getting across is irrelevant to me. You can say “This city has economic inequality” all you want. If you don’t actually show it or explore it, then its not a well handled element.

The Dent Act rid the city of the overt organized crime element. But, it didn't fix the city's internal problems...still there since Begins. Hence, Alfred's plea to Bruce to be his father.

The problem is that all the film does is say “The city still has internal problems”. It doesn’t actually explore them. You'd think a concept like Wayne Enterprises and scenes with the Mayor and councilmen would have been perfect for something like that, but apparently not.

Ummm....Selina perhaps?

I mean, that's one of her purposes throughout the film. She and Blake are the "in" for the audience. Yes, she's Catwoman. Go beyond the exterior and see how Nolan uses her through out the film. She's the physical embodiment of the idea...just as the Joker was the physical embodiment of Nolan's idea in Knight.

She’s the physical embodiment of the idea in what way? Because she chose to turn to crime?

It would have been nice if she was...if it was explored that because of Selina's past, not only can she not clean her slate, but she basically HAS to turn to crime to survive. If it was indicated that a large portion of Gotham is that way. That's based in several very real criminal and social theories.

She steals, appears to have more than enough…and what am I supposed to learn from Selina? That she's mad at the rich because they're rich?
 
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