The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 143

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  1. Anno_Domini

    Anno_Domini Well-Known Member

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    I don't see how some can't just get to the point that Blake and Bruce have something very much in common that is rare: they witnessed one or both of their parents being gunned down. Knowing that feeling and seeing that in Wayne isn't stupid at all, imo.

    So dumb.

    Seriously, the DC logo being something that's wrong? The video loses all credibility once that appears.

    High points:

    1.) The Ending
    2.) The Climb
    3.) Batman's Return
    4.) Bane Breaks the Bat
    5.) The "Return" of Ra's al Ghul

    Low points:

    1.) Batman's return isn't much of a big deal once he returns(one little shot of Batman being on the front page of The Gotham Times...and then nothing. The most troubling problem I have with TDKR).
    2.) Jen was a very watered-down Holly.
    3.) The war wasn't long enough.
    4.) No conclusion to "Judge" Crane in the film.
    5.) Characters like Coleman Reese or Detective Stephens didn't return.

    Blake told Bruce that Gordon didn't care who Batman was and him being the Commissioner, there would be no way the police would bother to question Reese if Gordon didn't want them to question him.
     
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  2. Tacit Ronin

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    What's contrived is him being the only orphan to "connect" to Bruce in a place full of orphans, and with this being Gotham, I'm sure a sizable sample of them had their parents forcefully taken from them as well. So why was he the one to connect above everyone else? Because he is a character in the movie? That is lazy writing.
     
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  3. Victarion

    Victarion Iron Captain

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    Because he's the one orphan out of the all the possible ones?

    My low point is the short sentencing for Gordon and crew; that would have been a good scene to see how the people felt about his lie.
     
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  4. Anita18

    Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    Speaking of which (and yet, not :funny: ), I was actually really impressed with how they lit JGL's face when he tells the story. Usually he looks quite young, but the way the light shone on his left eye, aged him about 10 years. And then the right side of his face still looked pretty youthful. It was a very interesting contrast, and alluded that losing one's parents violently is something painful that they share, and that both men, despite still being young (40 is really not that old), have lived several lifetimes of trauma because of what they've experienced.

    No, I did not think the scene was lame. I was too busy being impressed at the lighting. :oldrazz:

    It's also quite possible that most of other orphans in the boy's home (or even all of them besides Blake) lost their parents in non-criminal means. Car accidents or medical issues and the like. Or they were too young to remember.
     
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  5. Anno_Domini

    Anno_Domini Well-Known Member

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    Of course it's lazy writing if you believe a lot of the orphans had parents that were gunned down as you seem to believe.
     
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  6. SE7EN

    SE7EN Awww.... He didn't know

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    Some like explain things that Bruce does that otherwise would be hard to fathom as him being "The Goddamn Batman". Although I completely agree that Blake's speech doesn't really give a good deductive reason for him figuring out Bruce's identity, I think it might be fair to say that he figured it out through inductive reasoning because he is "The Goddamn Robin".
     
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  7. batfreakforever

    batfreakforever A real fan

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    Cool man, FYI my mother laughed during Talia's death scene. I did'nt but sometimes I think is it just me thats wrong or everyone else. But then again its just interesting to find out what others think. That's why we're here. Thanks man.
     
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  8. BatLobsterRises

    BatLobsterRises Lobsterized

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    I actually wondered the same thing. If I'm not mistaken, the TDK prologue sizzle reel as a very similar shot of the suit rising in the bunker, which was unused in TDK.

    Too lazy to further investigate, haha.
     
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    I don't think the death scene is as bad as some say but it's definitely the weakest part of the film.
     
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  10. batfreakforever

    batfreakforever A real fan

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    Yeah we know Batman's big return involve a massive police chase with heaps of cop cars and a helicopter plus tv news cover while the chase was happening. The paper would of had a bigger spread inside it but it does'nt matter. What more could they have done? All the main characters knew he returned.
     
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  11. Mad Love

    Mad Love The Future of Justice

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    I like to think she's faking her death and escapes while Batman takes care of the bomb.

    Bring on Damian Wayne! He could get Bruce back in the cowl :D
     
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  12. Tacit Ronin

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    It's Gotham.
     
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  13. Kane52630

    Kane52630 Just Some Nut

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    I still cheer for this scene.

    [YT]DTv5JNfU0Hw[/YT]
     
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  14. Anita18

    Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    In Chicago, it seems that more parents are burying their children than the other way around.
     
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    :funny: :hrt:
     
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  16. Mad Love

    Mad Love The Future of Justice

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    It would have been better if Bruce realized not to use the safety rope on his own. I don't know why the old man didn't just tell him the first time.
     
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  17. kvz5

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    I found Blake's discovery of Bruce's identity lazy writing too but for some reason, Nolan made TDKR's Bruce Wayne (who he stresses as paranoid BTW!) suddenly dropping breadcrumbs about his double identity left and right which I just found downright odd. :oldrazz: He didn't deny that he's Batman to some cop that he just met, he was talking about his "powerful friend" (and later proved who it was when he brought "Bruce Wayne" up to her when he's dressed as Batman) to a woman who just stole from him, and he and Fox were talking about "getting back to the game" in front of Miranda Tate.
     
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  18. Tacit Ronin

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    Because he sensed the "connection" yo.
     
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  19. Anita18

    Anita18 DANCE FOR ME, FUNNY MAN!

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    She was hot. :o And throughout the movie, he was trying to push her into bettering her life and dropped hints to show he wasn't all he appeared to be. He respected that she had extraordinary abilities like he did, and wasn't a typical criminal who relied on guns or goons.

    And to be fair, in BB and TDK, Batman was never needed to "help out" Bruce Wayne.

    He was probably also taken aback that a rookie cop would barge into Wayne Manor threatening to get a warrant for Dent's murder. :funny:
     
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  20. the last son

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    Naw, why tell him that the first time? There was no way he could have made it his first jump. Him failing time and time again was great. Bruce had to realize that the jump was impossible with the rope. Why would he have thought without the rope is the only way. Once he realized that a child made it out without the rope then he was able to believe in himself
     
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  21. Anno_Domini

    Anno_Domini Well-Known Member

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    You're talking about something that happened the entire night. Nothing is really shown to celebrate/condemn/discuss Batman's return the very next day. At least in Batman Begins, this arrival of this bat character is intertwined with scenes. Not a blurp of Batman's return at all the following day.

    What reasoning is this? Especially with the crime rate being at an all time low which would cause for less parents getting killed by thugs/mobs/debt collectors/etc.

    :up:
     
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  22. kvz5

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    Everything was perfect in that scene for me. :hrt:
     
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  23. BatLobsterRises

    BatLobsterRises Lobsterized

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    I want to meet the Batman fan who didn't love that scene.
     
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  24. Tacit Ronin

    Tacit Ronin Well-Known Member

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    Blake wasn't born within the eight year time gap. Blake was born when Gotham was a hellhole, as were his orphan peers. The point is that there had to have been other orphans who lost there parents by murder, but why is it that only he figured out Wayne was Batman?

    Answer: he felt the "connection" yo.
     
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  25. Doctor Who

    Doctor Who KIDNEYS!!!

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    Phoenix, Arizona. Midnight Showing at the IMAX down here in Tempe. This scene got a standing ovation, full of applause, cheers, and tears. :hrt:
     
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