The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - Part 151

[BatLobster]

If Nolan's Batman was a full-on sci-fi fantasy world that was 100% comic accurate, what would be the novelty of the Batfleck reboot? Fans need to learn and appreciate the value of different interpretations of the mythos once and for all.

Besides, one of the fun things about the Nolanverse during its run was coming up with Nolanized versions of the villains. People act like it was some imagination-squashing affair where everyone was told to put away their toys, but it actually contributed to lots of fun, imaginative stuff (fan-art, fan-fic, etc.). It was a just another lens to look at the Batman world through n

 

[Agent Orange]

If Nolan's Batman was a full-on sci-fi fantasy world that was 100% comic accurate, what would be the novelty of the Batfleck reboot? Fans need to learn and appreciate the value of different interpretations of the mythos once and for all.

Besides, one of the fun things about the Nolanverse during its run was coming up with Nolanized versions of the villains. People act like it was some imagination-squashing affair where everyone was told to put away their toys, but it actually contributed to lots of fun, imaginative stuff (fan-art, fan-fic, etc.). It was a just another lens to look at the Batman world through n

And the villains are amongst the most colourful and memorable in the realm of comic book adaptations (an aspect that's sorely lacking in other comic book movies). It's a pretty neat trick for a grounded *cough* realistic affair.

 

[shauner111]

It's very creative, in a different way. We already know the creative characters that exist in the comics, and they pull no punches. The writers i mean. No limits. With the Nolanverse it's just as imaginative to look at a slightly fantastical character and make changes so he can exist in a real world. What you take away from him/her, what you add. Now it's about retaining that serious tone, and crime elements but tone them down slightly by adding in a ton of sci-fi elements. And it will only get more futuristic as it goes along.

At some point we'll get a serious, disturbing, half-fantasy, half real city universe where you can just label it "horror". I think that's the right move to make after these Justice League movies or Batman Beyond.

Keep flipping the genre so Batman stays fresh, while every other franchise from the comics eventually die out or get repetitive.

When a couple of decades have past, bring it back to the grit. Go David Fincher, even Darren Aronofsky's Year One (minus the drastic change of character). Make it a period piece. By then it's what? 2030's? Coming up on the 90th, heck..100th anniversary? What better way than to celebrate such an anniversary by setting it in the 1940s or something like that. Well, maybe that's a little much but how about the 70s? Bring it back to its roots and go full-on Taxi Driver with its smaller scope and tone.

 

[Shikamaru]

People blow "realism" out of proportion. The truth is the definition varies from director to director, writer to writer.

To me, the best "realism" is having extraordinary characters and events in an ordinary world. That means a world where everything from aliens to Clayface to Batman at his peak can all exist, but where the world and its characters feel real and react the same way people would in real life.

 

[georgec]

TDKT's realism is less about the world itself and more about the immense mental and physical toll Bruce takes from being Batman. The worldly realism matters in serving that purpose (keeping the villains limited to organized crime and international assassins/terrorists), but to me it's not the most important aspect of "realism" in the trilogy. It just made more sense given the aspects of the character that Nolan wanted to explore.

 

[titansupes]

^ That and the general aesthetic of everything being anchored in the real world, and even the out there contraptions having some semblance of practicality. As well as keeping a heavier 'action/reaction' approach to the characters affect the city.

 

[georgec]

^ That and the general aesthetic of everything being anchored in the real world, and even the out there contraptions having some semblance of practicality. As well as keeping a heavier 'action/reaction' approach to the characters affect the city.

 

[Brother Jack]

The realism label has always been a misnomer, even from Nolan himself. Despite all the human relatability, somewhat realistic technology, on-location shooting and practical effects, these are still movies about a man dressing up in a bat costume and fighting crime. It is an inherently unrealistic, operatic thing that cannot be changed. These movies are not realistic and never have been. They're still over-the-top but in a different way, wherein there can be seemingly omnipresent killer clowns and ancient blood cults but not necessarily a shape-shifting mud monster.

 

[BatLobster]

At the end of the day, most action films aren't realistic. The tone was about creating the feel of "movie realism" as opposed to pure comic book fantasy where there and I think that was largely achieved. People just got carried away with the label and what they thought it meant.

 

[antsman41]

Yeah, Loeb/Sale world is very 'realistic' yet the use Clayface/Freeze/etc.

 

[BlueLightning]

I like to apply the term "Verisimilitude".

 

[Ryan]

I believe it was somewhere back in this thread that people were comparing Brock Lesnar to Bane. Judging by the new "Night of Champion's" poster the WWE have must have liked this idea.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

The form of the Dark Knight trilogy is realistic, but the content is not.

 

[JackWhite]

I actually like the idea of things starting off pretty grounded with Batman fighting the mob and then more freaks start showing up and things get weirder and weirder. Nolan's trilogy kind of started off like that, but after TDK the idea of that notion was thrown out in favor of the 8 year gap.

I would love to see Man-Bat in a horror style Batman movie for sure. That's pretty much the only way I'd want see that character done.

 

[shauner111]

Yeah, i dont care much about the character itself but Man-Bat can bring some cool visuals if treated like a really disturbing horror movie. One day it would be cool to show a young, but in his prime Batman, in a pure horror setting. Just monsters for villains with Hugo Strange pulling the strings. Man-Bat, Clayface, Killer Croc, so on. Just as a one-off though. I feel the same about Batman Beyond, just do it as a one-off film.

 

[Travesty]

Heh, Man Bat is probably my least favorite villain ever created. I've never been a fan.

 

[shauner111]

He's like a Curt Conners rip-off.

My least favorite villain might go to Mad Hatter. If it was up to me, he would never appear in a live-action film, ever.

 

[titansupes]

^ I wouldn't be surprised if you got your wish.

 

[shauner111]

I dont think he ever will, unless it's a cameo in Arkham. Which i guess i wouldnt mind.

The only thing saving Man-Bat for me would be the greatest scene in history where Man-Bat busts into the batcave, picks up Robin and flies away with him. Batman just shrugs his shoulders and continues reading a file. Then grunts because he knows he has to save the little bastard, so he goes off reluctantly.

 

[Young Superman]

I know these have been posted before, but they are hust so awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8UiJmCN_K4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeXEZxn8E8k

 

[Ryan]

here is the poster

 

[DX]

"The Suplexes betray you...because they belong to me!" *16 German Suplexes on John Cena*

 

[batfreakforever]

I can understand some of the hate for tdkr because some people who are not comic fans only want to see batman kick ass and those people dont really care for bruce wayne. I care for bruce wayne so it didnt matter if he was in the suit or not.

 

[JackWhite]

I can understand some of the hate for tdkr because some people who are not comic fans only want to see batman kick ass and those people dont really care for bruce wayne. I care for bruce wayne so it didnt matter if he was in the suit or not.

Guess it's that time again?

 

[georgec]

It's always that time!