The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[shauner111]

Ooops! I meant Phantasm!

 

[Filmfreak]

He must've taken the same acting classes.

 

[ThePhantasm]

You guys sure are milking that scene for all the nitpicking you can.

I don't think anything's particularly wrong with it, at least not as far as I can tell from the trailer.

 

[The Batman]

This whole talk about Batfleck's facial acting is oddly refreshing. It's a change from people constantly fawning over his suit and how he looks in it.

 

[shauner111]

It could be fine in the movie, but from what i can see, Ben is just not believable at all in that scene. The scene with the little kid is another one. It's bad acting from where i'm standing, and that's usually what im thinking when i watch him act anyway. There are exceptions, depending on who's directing him. But im not surprised at all to see Ben deliver a bunch of forced facial expressions, when the guy behind the camera is the dude who made Michael Shannon and Amy Adams look like mediocre actors.

 

[The Batman]

Do you guys feel that TDKT has etched itself into the fabric of pop culture? Or do you think it will vanish from the public conscious?

The Dark Knight will always be remembered, if only for Heath Ledger's Performance. The Dark Knight Rises will be remembered, but to a lesser extent. Batman Begins still has a bit of a "cult classic" feel. Short term, it still won't be as loved as the other two, despite the major influence it had on modern day blockbusters.

 

[shauner111]

This whole talk about Batfleck's facial acting is oddly refreshing. It's a change from people constantly fawning over his suit and how he looks in it.

For real. Go into that other thread and see a hundred people act like Affleck is already the greatest Batman/Bruce Wayne to ever exist...even though they've only seen still shots, and some other shots of Ben fighting as Batman or looking at things. There's practically zero speculation on whether his acting will be good or not. It's just a circle jerk on how good he looks. I can't disagree with them there, but it would be refreshing for someone to start a conversation about the possibility of Affleck sucking major ass in the role, despite a good look. Or him being "OK", nothing more, nothing less. Instead of nothing but high praise. But you can't bring that stuff into those threads for obvious reasons.

I honestly can't wait for this movie to be over and seen by the public. I want to see Ben's introduction, as well as Alfred, Gotham, the toys. But more than anything, for it to be done with, so we can move on to movies like Suicide Squad and solo Batman. They're more interesting to me, seem to be directed by more talented artists, and move away from the same old "Superheroes fight and then unite to stop a greater force of evil" concept.

 

[ThePhantasm]

So short version... you find people's delight over the new suit annoying, so you want to counter-balance that by over-reading a split second moment from the trailer as negatively as you can?

 

[Deadshot]

So short version... you find people's delight over the new suit annoying, so you want to counter-balance that by over-reading a split second moment from the trailer as negatively as you can?

His angry look feels unnatural. Nobody's over-reading anything. It's just an opinion. Some people just don't think Affleck is a great actor. Get over it.

Btw, i think Affleck looks goofy in the suit. That's not the Batman i grew up seeing in comics, i can tell you that much.

 

[ThePhantasm]

His angry look feels unnatural. Nobody's over-reading anything. It's just an opinion. Some people just don't think Affleck is a great actor. Get over it.

My statement that you are over-reading it is also an opinion. Why do I have to "get over" my opinion but you don't?

I never said Affleck was a "great actor." I'm saying you guys are inferring a lot from a split second scene. Honestly, its not that intense of a look that he's giving. Its basically a tight-lipped Affleck with his eyes open a bit wider than usual.

Btw, i think Affleck looks goofy in the suit. That's not the Batman i grew up seeing in comics, i can tell you that much.

Okee dokee.

 

[shauner111]

So short version... you find people's delight over the new suit annoying, so you want to counter-balance that by over-reading a split second moment from the trailer as negatively as you can?

I dont find their delight to be annoying. Like i said, im with them on that. I dig the new photos when they're released. But my annoyance has to do with the fact that you're not really allowed to express ANYTHING other than praise. Even though it's natural to speculate about both sides, when the movie is not even out. Im annoyed by people only talking about the visual side of Batman or even Bruce. There's no room for discussion about character development, acting. At least the main threads don't have this.

Call it "over-reading" all you want. It's what we all do when a movie is coming out. Look at the new Force Awakens trailer. People break down every frame. It's not just one split second moment. Every shot of him, with the exception of maybe one, where he's looking at something with an ANGER FACE...is just ridiculous to me. Im not alone. I know subtlety when i see it. Ben is not bringing it in those shots.

Im not trying to be negative for the sake of it. I dig a lot about this new version of Batman. I see what i see, and im commenting on it. Some others agree with me, so we're having a discussion. And yes, it's refreshing for once.

 

[Deadshot]

My statement that you are over-reading it is also an opinion. Why do I have to "get over" my opinion but you don't?

I never said Affleck was a "great actor." I'm saying you guys are inferring a lot from a split second scene. Honestly, its not that intense of a look that he's giving. Its basically a tight-lipped Affleck with his eyes open a bit wider than usual.



Okee dokee.

You're the one speculating on people's motivations, so yeah, you're the one who needs to get over it. We were just commenting on how laughable he looks. Opinions and stuff, you know?

 

[ThePhantasm]

my annoyance has to do with the fact that you're not really allowed to express ANYTHING other than praise.

Whose stopping you? I see criticisms posted all the time over in the BvS boards, yes even of the Batsuit. Sure, people post their disagreement with those criticisms, but you've got to expect that sort of thing. Personally I think most of the criticisms of the Batsuit are really nitpicky.

Im annoyed by people only talking about the visual side of Batman or even Bruce. There's no room for discussion about character development, acting.

There's been tons of discussion about his character development.

I'm involved in those discussions all the time over there.

There hasn't been much discussion of his acting because we've seen so little of it thus far. I'm not sure there's much to talk about on that front.

Call it "over-reading" all you want. It's what we all do when a movie is coming out.

Analyzing every frame is different than over-reading every frame. There's only so much information you can milk out of it. I don't see any obvious overacting from Ben in the trailer. Obviously they aren't going to show the "subtle" acting in a trailer, because trailers aren't about subtlety.

 

[The Batman]

There really isn't much difference from people fawning over a picture of Batfleck, and people criticizing him for a still image from a trailer.

One isn't acceptable to some people, IMO, solely because the reaction isn't fawning.

 

[ThePhantasm]

There really isn't much difference from people fawning over a still of Batfleck, and people mocking him for a shot in a trailer.

One isn't acceptable to some people solely because the reaction isn't fawning.

There's a big difference between fawning over a Batsuit which we've seen in tremendous detail both in still shots and in action, and mocking Affleck for "bad acting" on the basis of one small screengrab from a trailer without any real context. One is over-reading, and it isn't the fawning.

Whatever floats your boat, though.

 

[shauner111]

Ben Affleck is not a great actor. That's my opinion. I grew up in a time where i couldn't find a single person who thought he was a good actor. Is he better now than he was 10, 15 years ago? Absolutely. Did i enjoy some of his performance in Gone Girl, The Town, etc? Yes i did. Some. That's only because he was in the hands of a damn good director. Zack Snyder is not a damn good director. And it shows when i see Ben Affleck, Diane Lane, Michael Shannon, Amy Adams etc looking like they're trying way too hard, or not trying hard enough.

My excitement level has dropped for this film, but i still have higher hopes for Batfleck once this movie is in the bag. The director, the noticeable amount of CG compared to blockbusters like Mad Max or Star Wars is another reason (yes, im picky). The acting in the trailer is pretty bad overall, outside of Jeremy Irons (again, just my opinion). But it's a fun, perhaps once in a lifetime event, so of course ill be there opening weekend.

 

[Filmfreak]

You can get the idea by looking at Affleck's résumé in general. He's definitely come a long way since the Gigli and Daredevil years but I still find him adequate at best. And that's only when good directors like Fincher or himself are behind cameras. Snyder usually delivers wooden performances in his movies so I don't expect much from BvS. Though I don't expect him to be bad either. Just nothing special in terms of acting from what we've known and seen so far.

And yeah, I think people praising him when they've basically seen only a glimpse of him in character are even worse than the ones who were trashing him like he was the worst choice ever with almost zero information.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Ben Affleck is not a great actor. That's my opinion.

I happen to agree with you. I don't think he's a bad actor by any means, but I'm not expecting a Keaton or Bale level performance.

That being said, I still can't look at that screengrab and reach some of the conclusions that you guys are reaching. I'm not sure where its all coming from. I just don't see it.

 

[The Batman]

There's a big difference between fawning over a Batsuit which we've seen in tremendous detail both in still shots and in action,

Please. People were fawning over the thing even when all they got was one black and white image.

and mocking Affleck for "bad acting" on the basis of one small screengrab from a trailer without any real context. One is over-reading, and it isn't the fawning.

Whatever you say.

 

[shauner111]

Whose stopping you? I see criticisms posted all the time over in the BvS boards, yes even of the Batsuit. Sure, people post their disagreement with those criticisms, but you've got to expect that sort of thing. Personally I think most of the criticisms of the Batsuit are really nitpicky.

Who's stopping me? Over the summer, and before, i've tried getting in there. I've brought up things like this in the main thread and guess what? I've had mods delete my posts, i've had fans come down on me hard for just expressing myself on how i think Ben could screw this up as an actor or how he doesn't look that great in the trailers i've seen. Yet i always praise his look, unless it's a bad magazine photo where he looks out of place/fat.

I haven't seen any criticisms of the actual suit. That suit is wonderful from where im standing.

There's been tons of discussion about his character development.

I'm involved in those discussions all the time over there.

There hasn't been much discussion of his acting because we've seen so little of it thus far. I'm not sure there's much to talk about on that front.

There's enough of it in the trailer to speculate. If there's a half dozen or more shots of him + some speech...then it's enough to talk about before a movie hits theaters. If one can talk about a single photo from a magazine, for 30 pages, then there's room for a page or two on his acting.

Analyzing every frame is different than over-reading every frame. There's only so much information you can milk out of it. I don't see any obvious overacting from Ben in the trailer. Obviously they aren't going to show the "subtle" acting in a trailer, because trailers aren't about subtlety.

That's you. I do see obvious overacting. Even Kevin Smith who loved the trailer and what he's seen from batman, commented on the ANGER FACE and how there's like 5 of those shots. All in different scenes.

Like i said, it could just be the trailer, a different take, whatever. But we're allowed to speculate. Im not the only one in this thread noticing bad acting.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Please. People were fawning over the thing even when all they got was one black and white image.

Why are you acting surprised by this? The same thing happened for every Nolan film too. Its par for the course on superherohype.

There were (and still are) plenty of critics of the suit too in the BvS boards.

 

[Deadshot]

Why are you acting surprised by this? The same thing happened for every Nolan film too. Its par for the course on superherohype.

There were (and still are) plenty of critics of the suit too in the BvS boards.

Yeah, but Nolan was worth hyping. Zack/Affleck, not so much.

 

[shauner111]

You can get the idea by looking at Affleck's résumé in general. He's definitely come a long way since the Gigli and Daredevil years but I still find him adequate at best. And that's only when good directors like Fincher or himself are behind cameras. Snyder usually delivers wooden performances in his movies so I don't expect much from BvS. Though I don't expect him to be bad either. Just nothing special in terms of acting from what we've known and seen so far.

And yeah, I think people praising him when they've basically seen only a glimpse of him in character are even worse than the ones who were trashing him like he was the worst choice ever with almost zero information.

Exactly.

I can only remember wooden performances in his movies, usually. There's only a few that come to mind that were good. But i have to really think about it, usually.

"Adequate" is the best way to describe him these days. Sue me if i expect more from an actor. Especially one that's been in the game for 20 years, working with some of the best. I thought Keanu Reeves was adequate in John Wick. The movie wasn't trying to be oscar-worthy with their performances, maybe Bats/Supes is the same. But they used him properly. He didn't speak much. They accentuated Keanu's strengths. Tried to hide his weaknesses. Hopefully they do that with Affleck. Im not saying he's going to be terrible in the final product.

 

[The Batman]

Why are you acting surprised by this?

Um...I'm not surprised. You were talking as if People got a collection of various pics, and then decided to fawn over Batfleck, when they were fawning just from one pic that didn't tell the whole story regarding his costume.....

Which...isn't different from people looking at one shot of Affleck's facial reaction in a trailer, and making judgements.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I've had mods delete my posts

Assuming you weren't violating any rules, that's unfortunate. I don't think I've ever had a post deleted for criticizing some film promo stuff on the hype.

i've had fans come down on me hard for just expressing myself on how i think Ben could screw this up as an actor or how he doesn't look that great in the trailers i've seen. Yet i always praise his look, unless it's a bad magazine photo where he looks out of place/fat.

I encounter strong disagreement all over the hype, all the time. People are going to come down on you hard, particularly if you're the minority opinion. Just the way the world works.

I haven't seen any criticisms of the actual suit. That suit is wonderful from where im standing.

Man I've seen criticisms of the cape, the cowl, the ears, the gauntlets, the "fatness" of the suit, the bat symbol, the whole nine yards.

Im not the only one in this thread noticing bad acting.

why does it matter how many people do or don't think that they notice something?