The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - Part 155

[The Joker]

Reading the Tivo thread is like watching people who live in glass houses throw stones.

Don't you know? It would be comic book accurate, unlike Nolan's immoral comic book deviation.'

Look at Leto's Joker as an example!

I'm pretty sure Snyder's Bane would be played by a bodybuilder or wrestler, enhanced with more CGI muscles.

I concur. And be completely bland character wise, too.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Reading the Tivo thread is like watching people who live in glass houses throw stones.

As someone who takes part in that thread, I will not deny that this statement is truth.

Ayer's would be interesting. Why would Snyder create a Bane?

Won't Snyder have a hand in Batman movies?

 

[Guts]

Bane was the closest thing to a superhuman in the Dark Knight trilogy.

 

[ThePhantasm]

that was one of my favorite moments in TDKR, i have to admit

i loved the snarling and rage Hardy brought to that moment

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It's funny how Batman managed to win in their second bout, Bane had the upper hand before hurting his back in their first bout.

 

[Guts]

It's funny how Batman managed to win in their second bout, Bane had the upper hand before hurting his back in their first bout.

Batman underestimated him the first time.

And Bruce didn't eat his tangerines.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Batman underestimated him the first time.

And Bruce didn't eat his tangerines.

Tangerines help with his prep time.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's funny how Batman managed to win in their second bout, Bane had the upper hand before hurting his back in their first bout.

It's cause Bats didn't do enough reps of push ups. Also, it was dark when they first fought, so he couldn't see the poorly designed and exposed tubes on Bane's face.

 

[The Joker]

It's funny how Batman managed to win in their second bout, Bane had the upper hand before hurting his back in their first bout.

That's the way it played out in the comics. Bane for all his delusions of grandeur about being better than Batman, he only won because he fought him when Batman was a physical and mental wreck.

In the comics he freed the inmates of Arkham, and watched Batman get emotionally and physically worn out by taking each of them down one after another in succession. That's when he took him on and easily beat him. Same as in TDKR, he took on an 8 year out of practice Batman, holding himself up on a leg brace, and with a death wish.

Though in the comics it wasn't Bruce who took Bane down. It was Azrael (Azbats) in a trumped up metallic Batman costume. Even made Bane beg him to kill him;

 

[Deadshot]

That's the way it played out in the comics. Bane for all his delusions of grandeur about being better than Batman, he only won because he fought him when Batman was a physical and mental wreck.

In the comics he freed the inmates of Arkham, and watched Batman get emotionally and physically worn out by taking each of them down one after another in succession. That's when he took him on and easily beat him. Same as in TDKR, he took on an 8 year out of practice Batman, holding himself up on a leg brace, and with a death wish.

Though in the comics it wasn't Bruce who took Bane down. It was Azrael (Azbats) in a trumped up metallic Batman costume. Even made Bane beg him to kill him;

Yap. But i actually like the idea of someone being just better than Batman. I like the idea of this big bully who is just smarter and more skilled than Batman. It wasn't exactly the case, but that's how i would have prefered.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

It's cause Bats didn't do enough reps of push ups. Also, it was dark when they first fought, so he couldn't see the poorly designed and exposed tubes on Bane's face.

Funny preparation time, learn to do the jump, then you can dodge his missle like fists.
I forgot there are two Tacit Ronins. Wish you didn't change your name from Nuff Said.

That's the way it played out in the comics.

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Bane for all his delusions of grandeur about being better than Batman, he only won because he fought him when Batman was a physical and mental wreck.

In the comics he freed the inmates of Arkham, and watched Batman get emotionally and physically worn out by taking each of them down one after another in succession. That's when he took him on and easily beat him. Same as in TDKR, he took on an 8 year out of practice Batman, holding himself up on a leg brace, and with a death wish.

Though in the comics it wasn't Bruce who took Bane down. It was Azrael (Azbats) in a trumped up metallic Batman costume. Even made Bane beg him to kill him;

I read the storyline recently, Bruce needed the help of Lady Shiva to regains his efficiency.

 

[Brother Jack]

Yap. But i actually like the idea of someone being just better than Batman. I like the idea of this big bully who is just smarter and more skilled than Batman. It wasn't exactly the case, but that's how i would have prefered.

You could argue Bane circumstantially stacking the deck against Batman before their fight was a strategically sound move. Not a physical one but intellectual. It may have been "cheating" but does Batman not use tactics that could be seen in a similar way? The gadgets, technology, smoke & mirror predator antics, and, most importantly, prep time means that a fight with Batman is rarely what you'd call completely fair.

That said, Bane's bluster was still overinflated and part of the arc of he and Batman's battle was about humbling him. But a lot of it was justified in some way. Particularly in Rises, where he's completely successful the whole film until that bat-symbol catches fire.

 

[AnneFan]

Yap. But i actually like the idea of someone being just better than Batman. I like the idea of this big bully who is just smarter and more skilled than Batman. It wasn't exactly the case, but that's how i would have prefered.

I personally think it's important for Batman to be the best fighter in Gotham. But in circumstances can be beaten like any human - ala Knightfall.

Particularly in Rises, where he's completely successful the whole film until that bat-symbol catches fire.

And the nuclear weapon could have been used right then and there.

But I guess Bane was arrogant enough to think any revolution would be hopeless. He seems pretty bored when saying "open fire" on the assembled police. He also seems baffled as to how Batman managed to escape captivity, too. He may have been seeking answers face to face - and he does ask.

 

[Brother Jack]

And the nuclear weapon could have been used right then and there.

But I guess Bane was arrogant enough to think any revolution would be hopeless. He seems pretty bored when saying "open fire" on the assembled police. He also seems baffled as to how Batman managed to escape captivity, too. He may have been seeking answers face to face - and he does ask.

Yeah, I don't think he really takes any of it seriously until the mask is broken and he goes berserk. Up until that point it was more of an annoyance met with confusion. He just exuded this calm confidence. There are several scenes in the film where he barely even moves.

 

[Ryan]

When Gadot was cast there was a HUGE ruckus over the fact that she's a model turned actress, and from what they saw from her so far, was very mediocre. John Campea going off every week about how she's not a real actress, etc.

Really? I'll have to take your word for it. I don't follow any of the threads on the shh for bvs, but on fb pages I'm linked too, the majority of the ruckus I saw was reserved for her appearance rather than her acting ability. In fact, a lot of the names that were 'favourites' on the fb pages were actresses like Gal Gadot,models with limited acting experience but had a different "look'. In some cases people even favoured Ronda Rousey to play WW.

 

[The Joker]

I personally think it's important for Batman to be the best fighter in Gotham. But in circumstances can be beaten like any human - ala Knightfall.

Kicking him when he was down. Bane's way to beat Batman in Knightfall was smart, but not fair. He didn't prove he was better than Batman because he didn't fight him on equal terms. The state Batman was in at the end of Knightfall, the Ventriloquist probably could have taken him down.

But then villains generally don't fight fair.

I read the storyline recently, Bruce needed the help of Lady Shiva to regains his efficiency.

Correct. Her methods reminded me of her trials in Arkham Origins where she tried to force Batman to kill in the name of justice.

Really? I'll have to take your word for it. I don't follow any of the threads on the shh for bvs, but on fb pages I'm linked too, the majority of the ruckus I saw was reserved for her appearance rather than her acting ability. In fact, a lot of the names that were 'favourites' on the fb pages were actresses like Gal Gadot,models with limited acting experience but had a different "look'. In some cases people even favoured Ronda Rousey to play WW.

Seriously? She looks great as WW. One thing I have to give Snyder, he's good at the character designs. It's her acting people should really be worried about.

 

[Kane52630]

All I see is a model dressed as Wonder Woman who's got acting chops worse than Channing Tatum. The design of the suit is awesome though.

 

[shauner111]

Surprisingly enough, she's been cast in a upcoming John Hillcoat movie. Maybe there's more to her than Fast and the Furious. Those movies could make Fassbender look like a bad actor.

Im sure she's decent. But i don't trust Snyder with casting Wonder Woman. She could be awful for all we know. Did he really see something? Or was it because she's beautiful with an exotic look and voice? She looks like she suits Diana in the same way that Cavill suits Superman. But i guess ill just have to watch a Trinity with actors that don't excite me. Affleck, Cavill, Gadot look amazing in the roles but i get bored just thinking of them as actors outside of these movies. It's the same with Gerard Butler, Patrick Wilson (he's fine in the Conjuring though) and Malin Akerman. Zack's main heroes are usually played by bland actors, it seems.

Poor Cavill. Such a nice guy. He does fine as Superman. But the guy has like 3 or 4 expressions, and it's even worse when you see him in a trailer for some other film, and all you see is the same 3 or 4 expressions on his face. Always the same delivery too, no matter the accent.

 

[BatLobster]

To be fair, I do think Cavill as Supes was good casting. It's not really a role that requires much other than exuding stoicism with large helpings of warmth and kindness, but I think Cavill did a good job with what he was given and was a good modern age Superman.

Jackie Earle Haley as Rorscasch turned out pretty great too...sometimes Zack nails it with the casting and other times you feel like they were picked based on looks alone.

 

[ThePhantasm]

MOS had spectacular casting. Amy Adams? Russell Crowe? Michael Shannon? Henry Cavill? Kevin Costner? Diane Lane? All incredible choices for their respective roles.

 

[Slade W]

I thought Cavill was ok but not great in MOS. I hope he will be better in BVS. I thought Amy Adams was good though, but that is not surprising as she is a very good actress.

 

[The Shape]

I'm sure that, along with several other actresses, Gadot auditioned and likely tested/screen tested multiple times for the role and it's obvious that Snyder (along with the rest of the producers, casting directors, and creative team) saw something that impressed them. It's not as if Snyder popped in a DVD of her Fast and Furious movie and said, "That's our Wonder Woman! Draw up her contract!" This isn't a decision that could or would have been taken lightly.

All I see is a model dressed as Wonder Woman who's got acting chops worse than Channing Tatum.

Isn't that all we usually see when the first pictures of superheroes in costume are released and we haven't seen any footage of them acting/speaking (outside of the 3 frames we saw in the trailer)? No matter which beautiful woman/actress was cast as WW, we wouldn't be looking at the few still images of her at this point, thinking, "Wow, she looks like she's going to deliver the most incredible performance and be perfect for the role!" We need to see more outside of the visual aesthetics.

 

[The Joker]

Surprisingly enough, she's been cast in a upcoming John Hillcoat movie. Maybe there's more to her than Fast and the Furious. Those movies could make Fassbender look like a bad actor.

Im sure she's decent. But i don't trust Snyder with casting Wonder Woman. She could be awful for all we know. Did he really see something? Or was it because she's beautiful with an exotic look and voice? She looks like she suits Diana in the same way that Cavill suits Superman. But i guess ill just have to watch a Trinity with actors that don't excite me. Affleck, Cavill, Gadot look amazing in the roles but i get bored just thinking of them as actors outside of these movies. It's the same with Gerard Butler, Patrick Wilson (he's fine in the Conjuring though) and Malin Akerman. Zack's main heroes are usually played by bland actors, it seems.

Poor Cavill. Such a nice guy. He does fine as Superman. But the guy has like 3 or 4 expressions, and it's even worse when you see him in a trailer for some other film, and all you see is the same 3 or 4 expressions on his face. Always the same delivery too, no matter the accent.

Snyder also has a habit of bringing out the bland in great actors.

 

[AnneFan]

Kicking him when he was down. Bane's way to beat Batman in Knightfall was smart, but not fair. He didn't prove he was better than Batman because he didn't fight him on equal terms. The state Batman was in at the end of Knightfall, the Ventriloquist probably could have taken him down.

But then villains generally don't fight fair.

Yep. And when Bruce Wayne's fully fit Batman meets Bane again, he wins.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

After lots of trouble, and no venom.