The Dark Knight Rises Tom Hardy as Bane IX

[twostep]

I actually don't think so. The teaser was just following the fight with Bane and Batman. The camera was following behind Bane, and they were walking up steps, so it's just natural to have your camera angled up, but just because we saw that in the teaser, doesn't mean we will get that with every scene with Bane.

And just because the camera phone spy pictures show the two actors at the same height doesn't mean that's what the finish product will look like.

Right now we've got more actual proof (even if it is hardly any) that the camera will work in Bane's favor.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I've also grown tired of anyone who speaks less than favorable of anything Nolan being called a troll. I am a huge batman fan and have every right to debate and discuss these topics. (Whether my opinion lines up with yours or not.)

My being a moderator doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to have an opinion.

You can have your opinion. I can let the ridiculous mask debate go but you have no evidence (only un-edited spy picks) to be stating Nolan got Bane's size 'wrong'.

Call me a fanboy but don't try to disguise what you were doing.

Is it too hard for you to hold your tongue at least until the next trailer? And base your opinion on Bane's size then?

 

[Stillsberry]

And you're making excuses for the director like there's no tomorrow.

Two important aspects of Bane's character are his physical size (which Hardy is not) and his mask (which was radically redone).

I will always prefer the right actor though. If Hardy's the right guy for the job then great.

 

[Marx]

I don't think we can call mods anything.

It's not the first time he's tried to discredit me as a troll or a purist. It doesn't bother me. What bothers me is when I see others being dismissed that way.

Again that is just your opinion, I think he looks better now than he does in the comic. Where he does look like a pro wrestler.

And on the joker thing, you may have liked his look, but alot of people were saying that exactly what you are saying, in that the joker was supposed to look a certain way, and he didn't.

I definitely witnessed all of the Joker debates. I thought the perma-white argument was a bit ridiculous. On one hand, I see the reasoning for wanting him to be perma-white. On the other hand, he still looked like the Joker.

To be fair, the first pics of Ledger from the set made him look like the Crow and there was a ton of discussion/complaints about it. It wasn't even evident at the time that he had red lips or a purple suit. You're comparing the final product in TDK to set pics of TDKR. I will say the set pics for TDKR are a ton better than the early stuff we got from TDK, but it still isn't the final product.

The very first picture of Ledger as Joker clearly indicated the white face and red lips. We couldn't tell what his wardrobe or hair looked like though.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Yeah, remember we got this first:

Even I didn't like it. Then we got this:

Then all was well with the world.

Those were officially released, but I'm referring to a certain set picture where Ledger's lips looked black and his hair looked black as well. It was a shot from someone that was in the rafters while they were filming in a studio environment.

 

[Travesty]

Right now we've got more actual proof (even if it is hardly any) that the camera will work in Bane's favor.

No we don't, you just think we do. Bane doesn't look drastically taller than Batman in the teaser. Batman is a good 4-8 feet away, while the camera is RIGHT BEHIND Bane, and is also angled. That's not proof of "camera trickery", that's just proof that a camera was following Bane and Batman, while they were walking up some steps.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Are you guys ****ing kidding me? Did you completely forget about the teaser? In the teaser, the only OFFICIAL footage released, Bane looks ****ing massive at the end.

He's just closer to the camera than batman

 

[KRIM]

Are you guys ****ing kidding me? Did you completely forget about the teaser? In the teaser, the only OFFICIAL footage released, Bane looks ****ing massive at the end.

Jesus Christ this is amazing spider man all over again except it's not the costume, it's the freaking villain. WAIT UNTIL MORE FOOTAGE IS RELEASED UNTIL YOU CALL BANE PUNY.

People judging movies by set pics are stupid as hell. Pathetic

Let me preface this comment by saying that I'm being genuine with the following question: do those that constantly refer back to the teaser footage, take care to note that camera placement played a great deal in how Bane was portrayed? Not in the sense of classical Hollywood trickery, but plain old display of perspective?

Considering the uneven footing, varying distance, and uphill angle being utilized -- I cannot for the life of me see how this is proof of anything regarding Bane's size. Especially when today's shoot had a direct look at Batman/Bane going head-to-head with absolutely no hints of conventional trickery being employed.

 

[DKDetective]

But you're basing this whole "camera trickery" idea on wishful thinking. We don't know if Nolan will do that.

He already made the mask look nothing like Bane, why would he be worried about his height, as well?

Look nothing like Bane? That's a little extreme. He is wearing a dark coloured mask with openings around the eyes that fit the general shape and location of the white patches on Bane's comic book mask. Moreover, Nolan's Bane is a very built man who we know in at least one point of the film appears wearing just a tactical vest with his arms and shoulders exposed. We have no proof that camera trickery will not be used to increase Bane's size. In fact, the only piece of finished footage we have (the teaser) suggests otherwise. Even it appears his trench coat is inspired by the comics.

While it is not the most faithful interpretation of the character possible, it is no greater a deviation than any of Nolan's other villains. The general feel and image of the character is present. If you do not like that, well that's you opinion and that's fine, but don't pretend like this is some great travesty unseen before that tramples on the essence of the character.

Calm down a little and keep an open mind.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

No it isn't. He simply wants a faithful adaptation of how the character looks in the comics.

Ok, but these are set pics. In addition, we have zero knowledge of what's going on here. So how can he state that Nolan already got it wrong when the movie is still filming?

 

[The Guard]

I'm not going to pretend Bane's size doesn't matter. It does. He looks pretty sizeable in the shots we've seen, albeit as tall as Batman VS looming over him. Is it entirely comic book faithful? No, but how much has been in this franchise? No, he's not hulkishly big, but he's still a pretty big guy.

I think what's more important than how Bane looks is what Bane does. Can he toss Batman around like a rag doll? Beat him to a pulp? Lift him up over his head to break him? I never really only looked at the fact that Bane was massive that allowed him to do these things. I always figured it was the Venom, as he clearly needed the Venom to give him the edge over Batman.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

You know...I'm actually very familiar with Nolan's first two Batman movies. I stood in line to get tickets for them both and I joined this forum specifically because of The Dark Knight. I have enjoyed Nolan's other Batman movies and I have said (time and again) that I am not writing this movie off because of Bane's horrible appearance. I will be seeing this one just as I have every other Batman movie that has hit theaters.

I'm really tired of this whole default back to the Joker argument. That argument holds absolutely no weight. If the Joker had looked like a regular guy running around in a clown t-shirt you'd have a point. The Joker still looked like the Joker. Plain and simple. He had the white face, green hair, red lips, purple suit, etc.

I don't think anyone's said that this 'situation' with Bane is identical to the Joker one. They are similar though. Fans making judgments about the characters based on spy pics and not the finished product, then being proven wrong when the movie was released, with Nolan having maintained the essence of the villain.

I'm not trying to bash your opinions in any way. I understand where you're coming from and I actually kind of prefer the mask from the comics and I admit I'd have liked for Bane to be noticeably taller and more imposing than Batman. But lets save judgments such as "he just looks like some random thug" for when the actual movie comes out, shall we?

 

[twostep]

Let me preface this comment by saying that I'm being genuine with the following question: do those that constantly refer back to the teaser footage, take care to note that camera placement played a great deal in how Bane was portrayed? Not in the sense of classical Hollywood trickery, but plain old display of perspective?

Considering the uneven footing, varying distance, and uphill angle being utilized -- I cannot for the life of me see how this is proof of anything regarding Bane's size. Especially when today's shoot had a direct look at Batman/Bane going head-to-head with absolutely no hints of conventional trickery being employed.

I don't understand how you can dismiss it though? Like Nolan wasn't conscience of where the camera was located for that scene.

Sure we haven't seen proof of LOTR perspective. But we've seen Bane nearer the camera (makes him look bigger) and in all of the ninja pictures Nolan is pointing the camera directly up onto Bane from down below, which makes the object look towering.

 

[Travesty]

Calm down a little and keep an open mind.

Dude, I am, I'm just sharing my opinions here. I get we don't see eye-to-eye, and that's fine, but I'm in no way agitated by other peoples opinions.

Just talking here, man....

 

[-Arya-]

I'm not going to pretend Bane's size doesn't matter. It does. He looks pretty sizeable in the shots we've seen. Is it entirely comic book faithful? No, but how much has been in this franchise? No, he's not hulkishly big, but he's still a pretty big guy.

I think what's more important than how Bane looks is what Bane does. Can he toss Batman around like a rag doll? Beat him to a pulp? Lift him up over his head to break him? I never really only looked at the fact that Bane was massive that allowed him to do these things. I always figured it was the Venom, as he clearly needed the Venom to give him the edge over Batman.

This is, I think, one of the most critical aspects of the character; which I hope Nolan captures.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Ok, but these are set pics. In addition, we have zero knowledge of what's going on here. So how can he state that Nolan already got it wrong when the movie is still filming?

Bane is much taller than Batman in the comics. The comic book Bane wears a wrestling mask. Clearly Nolan has chosen to go in a different direction for these aspects of the character.

 

[Marx]

You can have your opinion. I can let the ridiculous mask debate go but you have no evidence (only un-edited spy picks) to be stating Nolan got Bane's size 'wrong'.

If you look at the set pictures revealed today, you would see that Hardy is clearly not Bane-size. Batman actually looks to be more of a threat. It's a bit jarring to see...

Call me a fanboy but don't try to disguise what you were doing.

Is it too hard for you to hold your tongue at least until the next trailer? And base your opinion on Bane's size then?

What exactly is it that I'm doing? Stating an opinion that is different from yours? It would be a pretty boring forum if everyone agreed on everything. I'm certainly not about to advocate censoring or silencing opposing opinions just because they're different from my own as you seem to be.

 

[KRIM]

I don't understand how you can dismiss it though? Like Nolan wasn't conscience of where the camera was located for that scene.

Sure we haven't seen proof of LOTR perspective. But we've seen Bane nearer the camera (makes him look bigger) and in all of the ninja pictures Nolan is pointing the camera directly up onto Bane from down below, which makes the object look towering.

Do you not think a scene with Batman and Bane fighting, with no visible enhancements or preparations for Hardy -- is damn solid evidence that there may very well be no tricks involved?

Camera placement won't help there as they are both on even ground. Plus, choreography indicates that hits are going exactly where they're supposed to on Hardy. There is no accounting for size discrepancy.

The way that teaser footage is shot, tells us nothing. It is the conventional way of shooting behind a figure who is walking up steps. For whatever reason people are ignoring perspective and are surmising visual trickery that has no evidence of ever being present.

 

[DKDetective]

Dude, I am, I'm just sharing my opinions here. I get we don't see eye-to-eye, and that's fine, but I'm in no way agitated by other peoples opinions.

Just talking here, man....

Sorry, if I misread you. There is so much hyperbole and agitation in this thread right now.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Only that Hardy is not a big dude. Dwayne Johnson is a big dude, not a hulking beast. Vin Diesel is a more toned down version of a big dude. Mark Wahlberg (though short) is a big dude (built wise). Hugh Jackman is more built than Hardy as well.

Large hulking beast would be someone like Ronnie Coleman.

Yes I know Hardy is not a big dude. as I said, his size does not bother me one way or another, especially since they seem to be cheating for height in what we have seen.

When I said "hulking beast" in my initial post I was referring to the comic look ... which does not necessarily work in Nolan's world.

 

[drsmoo]

It's fine.

 

[drsmoo]

So 5'9 190 lbs of muscle isn't big now?

 

[Astro13Zombie]

So 5'9 190 lbs of muscle isn't big now?

Not bane big.

 

[Spideyfan93]

What's Bane big then?

Something inhuman? Because it's extremely difficult to obtain the muscular physique...let alone maintaining it for years or lifetime.

 

[drsmoo]

Not bane big.

And Elijah Wood is way too tall to play Frodo.

In this day and age of mechanical pulleys and wooden props, only Vern Troyer will be suitable