Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[GuestStar2004]

It was an analysis of his post.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

 

[DavidHaller]

I better leave this forum ASAP and go back to read bell hooks...at least she gets me! :-p

 

[BeholdMe]

Ah ok. But yeah, it kinds of urks me when you get labels for speaking what is blatantly apparent. I don't think anyone would want the X-men to fail if they were treated with respect to the material. I think this time it may have been but I think the MCU has us all spoiled to a degree.

This is truth to the fullest.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I got more of a discrimination against rich people, myself.

Which is why he kept pointing out see is a woman.

 

[DavidHaller]

yeah right, because gender inequality is not linked to class inequality...

 

[Lily Adler]

Classist!!! That's the word I was trying to remember.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Pft Women! taking our money and our ghostbusters, pft!

 

[henzINNIT]

Ghostbusters 2016 is so progressive. They're all women, even the obnoxious black stereotype character.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Ghostbusters 2016 is so progressive. They're all women, even the obnoxious black stereotype character.

Progressive to make the movie. Not so progressive to make a potentially very bad movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

yeah right, because gender inequality is not linked to class inequality...

Which is exactly why you struck out at a woman trying to be comfortable in her work environment.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Can we just talk about how women suck? and how its their fault for everything!

 

[Lily Adler]

Well I know when it's my cue to leave:

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Can we just talk about how women suck? and how its their fault for everything!

The box office will crumble when all those crappy girls go and see Alice instead of this monument to mankind.

 

[Mad Ones]

Men in this franchise haven't had to paint their ***** blue to get millions. When fans complain that Lawrence is acting "entitled" maybe they should consider what she's entitled to. If class privilege somehow absolves this sexism maybe those fans should put their energies into complaining that all Hollywood movie stars get paid far too much.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Men in this franchise haven't had to paint their ***** blue to get millions. When fans complain that Lawrence is acting "entitled" maybe they should consider what she's entitled to. If class privilege somehow absolves this sexism maybe those fans should put their energies into complaining that all Hollywood movie stars get paid far too much.

Hey, we have no idea what Hoult had to paint. Same for the various Nightcrawlers. And don't get me started on Oscar.

 

[Mad Ones]

Hey, we have no idea what Hoult had to paint. Same for the various Nightcrawlers. And don't get me started on Oscar.

Until I see their blue ***** my stance won't change

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Until I see their blue ***** my stance won't change

Please don't give them anymore ideas.

 

[Mad Ones]

Please don't give them anymore ideas.

They'd be CGIed.

 

[henzINNIT]

You could see a lot of problematic logics at work with how the original Mystique was constructed and how some fans treat Lawrence today. It isn't hard to imagine the people responsible for making Mystique naked in the first place wanted her to be sexy and cast Rebecca for her body. The movie absolves itself somewhat with that (one) really powerful line she had in X1 and the idea we get that her naked blue mutant body is a huge protest to human normality. The fact that her scales form clothing when she shape-shifts develops the logic of her design. Still you would never see a male character constructed with the same reasoning or a woman that didn't look like Rebecca. We know from Rebecca herself that the painting process was hell and had negative side effects. Rebecca had no star power so not much was changed about the process (this usually gets interpreted as "commitment" by fans).

Fast forward to First Class hiring Jennifer Lawrence, an up and coming actress who of course wouldn't turn down a big role in a big franchise, even if it means a difficult make-up process. Her allergic reaction to the paint combined with the star power Rebecca never had forced DOFP to build a skin tight suit that worked well (imo). Seeing a lot of "Raven" in the trailers for Apocalypse has caused a considerable amount of fans to label Lawrence as not committed and ruining the character. Lawrence doesn't have the modelling training that Rebecca had which probably made her more used to enduring "hell", but I'm sure even Rebecca would change the process if she could. Lawrence resisting a very invasive make-up process that causes an allergic reaction has been taken up by some fans as a point of criticism, which is utterly bizarre. Not a single male cast member has to endure a process that invasive, but when a woman speaks out against it she is demonized.

That's all I have to say on this annoying reoccurring topic.

Eloquently put.

All the more ridiculous when Mystique looked better in DOFP than she did in First Class if you ask me.

Progressive to make the movie. Not so progressive to make a potentially very bad movie.

A female Ghostbuster at this point, several even, is a no brainer. The "all-women" angle makes it feel more like a gimmick though. It's a bad move as far as equality goes imo.

Which is exactly why you struck out at a woman trying to be comfortable in her work environment.

Little far, no? He was only pointing out that someone on Lawrence's level isn't your typical victim of inequality, which does have truth to it in a world that will treat you much better for being you know, rich, and white.

 

[DavidHaller]

sorry, I found this depate boring especially because nobody of you is capable to bring up how horribly sexist women of color (!) are depicted in "X-Men: Apocalypse".

I never found Mystique particular sexualized as a character despite the odds that she is blue and naked. Who cares? But she had at least a full fledged character arc. Same goes to Sophie Turner.

Psylocke on the other hand and all her crotch shots!!!

What the X-Men franchise needs is a diversity/racism debate in relation to sexism!

But now I am getting defensive. Sorry, if I offended anybody for not seeing the severe sexism Lawrence experienced.

 

[Double B]

Annoyingly, this got dragged back onto the topic of JLaw and her make-up when as it was brought up, it was linked to the far more interesting point about the large female audience interested in this franchise that she, in part, played a role in bringing in and how that audience may be more inclined to check out Alice this week.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There is such an easy solution to Lawrence's chagrins about long make up hours, alleries, body invasion, peeing blue etc. It's called motion capture.

But singer seems to have something against that.

 

[Abudefduf]

Hmm, would be interesting to see what factors attract the demographic most.

The MCU offers plenty of hot men acting all (super)heroic and friendly and dreamy and treating the women around them with respect.

That definitely sounds like something many women would be interested in.

 

[Double B]

There is such an easy solution to Lawrence's chagrins about long make up hours, body invasion, peeing blue etc. It's called motion capture.

But singer seems to have something against that.

The other solution is have her wear clothes.

I don't think fans would take issue to Mystique being blue and dressed, meaning only her face/hands etc. would need to be painted.

However instead of that, they decide to have her out of make-up most of the movie. Which I am certain is as much of marketing decision from the higher-ups at Fox than Jennifer herself. There's a reason why they don't even bother giving her red hair in the "normal look" scenes. She's 100% identifiable as JLaw.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The MCU offers plenty of hot men acting all (super)heroic and friendly and dreamy and treating the women around them with respect.

That definitely sounds like something many women would be interested in.

They are good, fun movies as well. Women like those too.