The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 1

[AnneFan]

except for that damn Anne Hathaway

Obvious bait is obvious.

Roeper's review is pretty spot on, IMO.

"When it sings, “Dawn of Justice” is a wonder. When it drags, it still looks good and offers hints of a better scene just around the corner."

What would you give BvS out of 10, Shape?

 

[Green Goblin]

I really hope critics got this wrong, just like SR.

Seeing it on Sat so I'll know what to expect from the Audience/Fans.

 

[shauner111]

I doubt it's as bad as that. I really do.

 

[The Joker]

What was it Batlobster said, when you hire Zack Snyder you get a Zack Snyder movie. It's probably going to be MOS round 2, only it will stir more controversy and hate because Batman is in it, and from what I have heard they have done something with him which really rubs fans the wrong way. Including me.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I just read Zack Snyder's Wall Street journal interview and it's baffling. I am completely disheartened.

Apparently to Zack, snapping a dude's neck and being mopey all the time means a character has grown up.

“I was surprised with the fervency of the defense of the concept of Superman,” Snyder says of his detractors. “I feel like they were taking it personally that I was trying to grow up their character.”

Snyder made a Batman/Superman team up movie that is a prelude to JLA closer to Watchmen thematically. I can't begin to stress how wrongheaded this move is. Baffling.

Snyder sees his new movie as “a little bit” of a continuation of themes and concepts he explored in “Watchmen,” his 2009 adaptation of the groundbreaking graphic novel by Alan Moore which deconstructed the notion of superheroes. “It’s all about the ‘why’ of superheroes: the political why, the religious why, the philosophical why,” Snyder says.

But now he can play with those ideas using actual iconic characters instead of ones such as Nite Owl and Dr. Manhattan, which represent archetypes of iconic characters. “Once you’ve absorbed that material, there’s no way it doesn’t resonate with you, especially when you’re dealing with characters like Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman, who are basically the trinity,” Snyder says. “In some ways, this will be, I hope at it’s really best, the impossible version of ‘Watchmen’.”

You think that was the worst of it? Get a load of this. He thinks the destruction at MOS' end was okay because a band of space Nazi's in The Force Awakens blew up planets.

Snyder was mystified when someone told him that they couldn’t think of a movie in recent memory that’s had as much collateral damage as “Man of Steel.” “I went, really? And I said, well, what about ['Star Wars: The Force Awakens']?” the director says. “In ‘Star Wars’ they destroy five planets with billions of people on them. That’s gotta be one of the highest death toll movies in history, the new ‘Star Wars’ movie, if you just do the math.”

This guy just does not get it. He doesn't even begin to comprehend it. And this is the guy who is shepherding the DCEU. A guy who wants the Justice League to be Watchmen light.

I genuinely fear for Justice League movies.

 

[Shikamaru]

Ouch.

That is all.

 

[The Joker]

That grow up their character remark he made really put me off Snyder. What a *****e thing to say.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I found the Watchmen thing dumber. Did he even get what Watchmen was? It's an all out assault of deconstruction at the very concept of superheroes and how nonsensical and dumb they would be in real life.

Snyder is using that story's themes for Justice League, a team up of noble superheroes against space villains.

Do I even need to spell out how bafflingly dumb that is? What should be a celebration of superheroes is now gonna be why they are dumb, destructive and stupid. It's simply a POISONOUS vision for a cinematic universe for these characters.

 

[BatLobster]

I can't post here due to language....but you guys need to Youtube search "Hitler Reacts to Batman V Superman early reviews". Too perfect.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I can't believe those things are still around. I vaguely remember the first one was about an X-Box 360 game about nine years ago.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I can't believe those things are still around.

I was about to post the same thing. Probably still funny though.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I can't post here due to language....but you guys need to Youtube search "Hitler Reacts to Batman V Superman early reviews". Too perfect.

that video still works like a charm

 

[Snow Queen]

Corrected.

Or lower.
That's a shame, I really wanted it to go to the 70s.

Isn't that a tweet by Josh Trank?
I doubt this movie will be a terribly received as that one, I mean BvS, it might end up with Age of Extinction in both RT score and box office grossing.

It is.

 

[The Joker]

The fanboy cycle is starting to shift it's gears again. Now I am seeing posts of how flawed MOS was, that Zack Snyder is not the man for the DCCU, that he doesn't get the characters or care, and how Nolan got it right with Batman and his trilogy.

I mean I knew the opinions would shift again once the shiny new toy hype died down, but not this quick. Amazing the effect of a bad critical response.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Reminds me of Raimi being loved again after ASM 2 failed as a movie.

 

[redfirebird2008]

I love Watchmen (the book) and very much enjoy the movie as well, but the entire point was that it's a one-off deconstruction of the genre. Shoehorning it into Batman/Superman/Justice League is a really bad idea. People have waited decades for World's Finest or Justice League, not for Watchmen disguised as World's Finest/JLA.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yup. Watchmen is against the very idea of superheroes. You would have to be incredibly glib to have that be the thematic foundation of a Justice League movie, which inherently argues the opposite.

 

[redfirebird2008]

The new-found appreciation for Nolan is interesting. Reminds me of that Cinderella song. Don't know what ya got til it's gone. TDKR ain't perfect, but it is still a lot better than Man of Steel. And obviously the TDK trilogy as a whole is great, the best in the genre by a considerable margin if you ask me.

I'm curious to see BvS on Friday, but I don't have a good feeling about it. The title felt wrong when they announced it, forcing Batman into a Superman sequel felt wrong, and now the critics are thrashing it. Who knows though, maybe I'll love it. At least Affleck seems to have done a good job with his part.

 

[The Joker]

I'm really not liking what I'm hearing about [BLACKOUT]Batman being a brutal merciless killer. If I wanted to see that type of "hero" I'd watch The Punisher. It also begs the question of why is Batman's rogues gallery of villains still alive, especially the Joker? If he has no qualms for killing thugs, why aren't the real evil ones buried six feet under by now? It also bastardizes Alfred. Alfred would NEVER support Bruce if he was out killing like that. Neither would Gordon. He'd be leading a manhunt to bring Batman down.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[redfirebird2008]

I'm really not liking what I'm hearing about [BLACKOUT]Batman being a brutal merciless killer. If I wanted to see that type of "hero" I'd watch The Punisher. It also begs the question of why is Batman's rogues gallery of villains still alive, especially the Joker? If he has no qualms for killing thugs, why aren't the real evil ones buried six feet under by now? It also bastardizes Alfred. Alfred would NEVER support Bruce if he was out killing like that. Neither would Gordon. He'd be leading a manhunt to bring Batman down.[/BLACKOUT]

I haven't seen the film and maybe it will be offensive, but the idea itself is not that radical.

Spoiler

Whole lot of Batman killing in B89, Returns, Begins, TDK, TDKR, and he was a pretty brutal killer in the early comics (guns, hanging, spears, you name it!)

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's a fool's errand of them [BLACKOUT]trying to get Batman to be like the Punisher. Nothing Batman can do in the film will possibly live up to Punisher knifing somebody in the balls in Daredevil.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[The Joker]

I haven't seen the film and maybe it will be offensive, but the idea itself is not that radical.

Spoiler

Whole lot of Batman killing in B89, Returns, Begins, TDK, TDKR, and he was a pretty brutal killer in the early comics (guns, hanging, spears, you name it!)

Spoiler

I hate that aspect of B89 and Returns, and both movies were rightly criticized for it.

As for the TDK trilogy, none of them portrayed Batman as a merciless killer. Any people that died by his hand were in an attempt to save lives (Harvey trying to kill Gordon's kid, Talia about to nuke all of Gotham). Ra's was not his fault. He didn't put Ra's on the train, and he didn't smash the brakes. Not to mention the movies even made a point to criticize when Batman got reckless, like when Alfred chewed his ass out for the Cop car chase in Begins.

As for the early comics, they ended that portrayal of Batman because of fan complaints of seeing him kill people. The most controversial one was when he used a gun to shoot down some thugs. It was a fleeting controversial and unpopular interpretation that lasted a year or so, and flies in the face of over 70 years worth of characterization of who Batman is.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Spoiler

I hate that aspect of B89 and Returns, and both movies were rightly criticized for it.

As for the TDK trilogy, none of them portrayed Batman as a merciless killer. Any people that died by his hand were in an attempt to save lives (Harvey trying to kill Gordon's kid, Talia about to nuke all of Gotham). Ra's was not his fault. He didn't put Ra's on the train, and he didn't smash the brakes. Not to mention the movies even made a point to criticize when Batman got reckless, like when Alfred chewed his ass out for the Cop car chase in Begins.

As for the early comics, they ended that portrayal of Batman because of fan complaints of seeing him kill people. The most controversial one was when he used a gun to shoot down some thugs. It was a fleeting controversial and unpopular interpretation that lasted a year or so, and flies in the face of over 70 years worth of characterization of who Batman is.

What about...

Spoiler

...the monastery in Batman Begins where he blows it up and kills God knows how many people in it? The train blew up in a garage full of cars. Who knows how many innocent people might have been in the garage at the time as well.

 

[The Joker]

What about...

Spoiler

...the monastery in Batman Begins where he blows it up and kills God knows how many people in it? The train blew up in a garage full of cars. Who knows how many innocent people might have been in the garage at the time as well.

Spoiler

Never bought that he intentionally tried to kill anyone there. They all had ample chance to haul ass and escape. It wasn't an inescapable death trap, otherwise he'd have been doomed, too. He created a distraction to scare them off. He saved the only person who was incapable of saving himself - Ducard/Ra's. All the others chose to stay and try and fight him in spite of the impending danger.

Your garage example is baseless conjecture. The area was supposedly cleared around Wayne Tower because of the building water pressure. Unless we saw people there then there's no reason to believe there was any casualties.