The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 3

[Tacit Ronin]

Getting pretty f'n excited for Civil War. Watching interviews with the Russo Bros, the way they speak about this stuff. The fact that Spidey is their favorite of all-time. Or at least it is for one of them.

Versus a Zack Snyder interview where it's the equivalent of watching a high school jock trying to sound like the most intelligent student in the class.

The footage looks great.

The biggest difference is that the R bros revere these characters and want to honor them and do them justice. While Snyder thinks something is wrong with these characters and thinks he knows how to better them.

 

[shauner111]

Exactly.

Another good quote "Marvel has gone nuts! There will be a frickin Captain America movie if we're not careful!"

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Exactly.

Another good quote "Marvel has gone nuts! There will be a frickin Captain America movie if we're not careful!"

yes, if marvel isn't careful they might just make a better live action version of superman!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Just checked Wikipedia, Snyder's mother's name is Marsha.

 

[Greens]

Just checked Wikipedia, Snyder's mother's name is Marsha.

Coincidence? I don't ****ing think so.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

you guessed it, snyder apologists everywhere

Yeesh, what responses.
"You guys must be real fun in real life, seeking reasons to be grumpy"
And I'm paraphrasing a bit.

 

[BatLobster]

Okay, so I'm really really excited for Civil War, but I have one major nitpick with the footage so far. Every time I've seen Iron Man unmasked in the footage so far, it looks atrocious. I don't know if they had scheduling issues with RDJ and couldn't get him on set and had to shoot some of his stuff on a green screen, but his face is not meshing either with the suit or the background at all and it really stands out and looks amateurish.

I noticed this in the first trailer when he's looking distraught next to Rhodey, and I was chalking it up to unfinished effects but now it looks off again in the latest Spider-Man spot. A nitpick, but it seriously looks so off.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The first Iron Man movie had the most believable and most well integrated/composited Iron Man armor. It's gotten worse and worse since then.

 

[BatLobster]

I know! It's so weird....my only guess is they have become more "accommodating" with RDJ's schedule and are doing those bits without him on set more and more.

 

[Shikamaru]

This may sound harsh, but I'm not ruling out the potential for Snyder to have a degree of sociopathy to him. I wanted to bring this up since day 1 but thought I'd be stupid to jump to such conclusions without knowing the guy. After reading those recent quotes though, I think the idea should at least be entertained.

He has the following characteristics: superficial charm (fooled everyone into thinking he loved these characters despite his style-over-substance approach, both fans and WB studio heads), a grandiose notion of self-worth, a lack of remorse/empathy (as shown by his clear distaste of the selfless archetype, which sometimes also fits well with Randian beliefs), and an impulsivity towards violence (this one's obvious). Besides all that, he also considers Batman shooting at cars and forcing crooks to pull the trigger on other crooks as "manslaughter" instead of "murder". Assuming he wasn't just BS'ing that's some scary **** IMO.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

honestly I think you may be onto something, I've had my suspicions as well

 

[shauner111]

Yeah it's a good point. He's also a little too happy about it all in public which weirds me out, when it's not making me laugh. Tarantino may enjoy violence in movies but he always does it in a comedic way. You're in on the joke when you watch it. I find Snyder just thinks it's dope and the only thing that's interesting to him when he makes his own films. He puts everything else to the side for the "awesome" visual, and comes up with ways to throw aggression or bad attitudes in there. And it's never really in a fun way, or tongue in cheek, or what the characters need to do logically in the next scene. A lot of ego in his films and characters. Well, they're barely "characters". The way he talks, the messages in his movies when a message is present, is quite bleak and cynical yet he comes off like the happiest guy who doesn't take anything seriously. It's quite strange hahaha..

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Tarrantino does realistic violence when you are meant to be disturbed, like the streak of blood pouring down the woman's face in Hateful Eight.

He does over the top violence when it's meant to be comedic, like when the Mexican's entire face blows off.

Zack Snyder isn't smart enough for that kind of duality.

 

[The Shape]

Okay, so I'm really really excited for Civil War, but I have one major nitpick with the footage so far. Every time I've seen Iron Man unmasked in the footage so far, it looks atrocious. I don't know if they had scheduling issues with RDJ and couldn't get him on set and had to shoot some of his stuff on a green screen, but his face is not meshing either with the suit or the background at all and it really stands out and looks amateurish.

I noticed this in the first trailer when he's looking distraught next to Rhodey, and I was chalking it up to unfinished effects but now it looks off again in the latest Spider-Man spot. A nitpick, but it seriously looks so off.

Yeah, I noticed that, but I feel like I'm used to it by now because that's how he's looked in most of the recent movies. I was more bothered by the some of the lousy Black Panther CGI in that recent chase clip.

Also, everything we've seen of Spidey looks like he's a CGI character, even in the shot where he's standing in front of Bucky talking to him as he blocks his punch. Could just be the result of watching on a computer versus the big screen, but either way, I'm sure he'll look better in the film itself. I know CGI is necessary for characters like Spidey at times, but I just love seeing the real Spider-man costumes in these films with actual men wearing the suit. I was always bothered by the various moments in previous Spidey films in which they opted to go full-on CGI when it wasn't at all necessary.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

More Snyder juicy bits:

What the hell is this guy smoking?

I refuse to believe he was even a serious consideration for Nolan when selecting Superman directors.

He needs to be shown the door ASAP.

 

[shauner111]

Tarrantino does realistic violence when you are meant to be disturbed, like the streak of blood pouring down the woman's face in Hateful Eight.

He does over the top violence when it's meant to be comedic, like when the Mexican's entire face blows off.

Zack Snyder isn't smart enough for that kind of duality.

His earlier films had realistic violence. His films since Kill Bill have been quite cartoony and fun. But every once in a while there will be a realistic violent scene like you said. Quentin still puts a strong emphasis on character. His characters are the strongest thing about his scripts/films.

What they hell is this guy smoking?

I refuse to believe he was even a serious consideration for Nolan when selecting Superman directors.

He needs to be shown the door ASAP.

I'm convinced he was the 10th guy or something like that, after they all passed. Last resort.

 

[The Shape]

People have said he was the 5th choice for MOS, lol

 

[I Am The Knight]

So much better

 

[Monochron]

^ Exactly, BatLobster. Superman had a few moments like that, in which he could have simply talked to Batman.

"Bruce, you don't understand".
*Batman walks right up to Superman's face*
"I understa--"
*Superman SHOVES Batman away!*

Why?! It should have gone like...

"Bruce, you don't understand".
*Batman walks right up to Superman's face*
"I understa--"
*Superman grabs Batman, covers his mouth*
"Seriously, I don't want to fight you... right now. Luthor's behind all this and he's going to kill a woman named Martha Kent".
*muffled*
"M...Maaartha?"



SIDENOTE: I'm one of the few who think that instantly infamous Martha moment could have really played with a stronger context/script/director.

That was my "**** this movie" moment.

 

[shauner111]

People have said he was the 5th choice for MOS, lol

Pretty low. 4 choices then Snyder. He was one of their last resorts. One of the desperate choices. Somebody who can take the job when the top pick/s pass on the project. Even if he was second in line, it's still a bonehead maneuver.

 

[Shikamaru]

WB also had to start production on a Superman film quickly due to the Siegel lawsuit. Almost any director was better than no director back then.

 

[shauner111]

Anyone else find it weird that Michael Uslan hasn't said a word about BvS yet? I have a feeling this Batman wouldn't be his cup of tea, so maybe he's keeping his opinions shut because the movie doesn't need any more negativity. Or he liked it and hasn't had the opportunity to be asked.

I know he's not crazy about Batman Returns because of how cold Batman was.

 

[BatLobster]

Anyone else find it weird that Michael Uslan hasn't said a word about BvS yet? I have a feeling this Batman wouldn't be his cup of tea, so maybe he's keeping his opinions shut because the movie doesn't need any more negativity. Or he liked it and hasn't had the opportunity to be asked.

I know he's not crazy about Batman Returns because of how cold Batman was.

Hmm, I'm not sure. He sure seemed to be totally behind Snyder and Affleck leading up to the movie and I figure he had behind the scenes access at that point so he had an idea of what the movie was shaping up to be. If he didn't like it, I suspect he won't make that public until more time passes.

WB also had to start production on a Superman film quickly due to the Siegel lawsuit. Almost any director was better than no director back then.

Very true. If that lawsuit wasn't on the table, I have my doubts that Man of Steel would've even gotten made in the first place, or at least not until the right director came on board. It's like Goyer figured out that between getting Nolan involved/giving it the "Begins/TDK" treatment, and the clock ticking for WB to get a Superman movie into production, WB execs were going to greenlight the sh** out of it in a hurry no matter what.

In the end I think they ended up hiring somebody they knew would be able to handle the visually complex aspects of the project and had worked in the genre before with at least one hit (300). The rest was a gamble, cause the clock was ticking and he's the only one who was willing to sign the dotted line. I could see Nolan wanting to give it to Del Toro, he seems very buddy buddy with him.

I still look back on Man of Steel's trailers and I can see the potential of something that could've been great.

 

[shauner111]

The only thing that was certain was he liked Affleck's casting and the direction of an older Batman, Miller style. That's pretty much all he said. He's not a fan of the Shumacher movies, though he likes Forever more than Returns. So it's not like he needs to like it, to be a part of a Batman movie. I doubt he is asked for his input, not after Batman 89' anyway.

 

[BatLobster]

He praised Snyder too, for being a "fanboy" in one interview I saw. But who knows what he really thought of the movie. Maybe Jett