The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 3

[shauner111]

I liked Katie in Begins. She would have been wrong for TDK. I can't see her selling that death scene. Maggie probably wouldn't have worked in Begins either. But I liked her in TDK.

It's still a mistake on their part. Any would have been perfect.

 

[shauner111]

Levi was banned!?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Well that sucks, he spent some time avoiding another probationary ban, now he's not longer a member.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nolan/WB made two mistakes.

1) Not casting Amy Adams as Rachel, for both films, when they had the chance. She helped with the Bale testing. Obviously the studio didn't see Amy as a good choice at the time but f**k them. Amy and Christians chemistry is undeniable. Would have saved her from two lesser films.

2) Not casting Bob Hoskins when they had the chance, as Oswald Cobblepot.

Wasn't she in the mix for Lois Lane at the time. I know she has said numerous how desperate she was for the Lane gig.

I suppose her agent either wanted her to hold out for that or WB felt they needed a name for Begins and went with Holmes.

 

[JackWhite]

Yes. Since they still needed a love interest they should have just made Bats and Dent gay.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Levi was banned!?

I guess he flew too close to the sun

 

[BatLobster]

Thoughts on this?

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/01/you-will-probably-see-your-favorite-villain-in-afflecks-batman-movie

I like the idea of seeing a sprawling Batman universe realized on screen for the first time, but if they want to throw as many villains as possible into one movie it almost makes me wonder if Affleck is seeing his solo movie as a one and done. Cause it just seems like the type of big Batman event that you'd save for your finale.

I'd definitely be curious to see how Affleck casts all those villains in smaller roles though.

 

[shauner111]

Neil Patrick Harris for Riddler? Jon Hamm for Two Face? Titus Welliver for Black Mask or Two-Face?



I don't see a second movie coming out of this.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Paul Giamatti as Hugo Strange. Batista as Bane. John Travolta as Jonathon Crane. CGI as Solomon Grundy.

 

[shauner111]

CGI Robin Williams for Hugo Strange.

 

[titansupes]

Just saw CA: CW... Booooy, they really nailed that one.

 

[JackWhite]

Unless they do some sort of hierarchy with the villains it could be a major cluster****.

On paper, having like 8 of Batman's rogues gallery immediately thrown in the mix sounds great, but having that be the jump off point for the first solo Batfleck film could have disastrous results.

 

[Shikamaru]

I try to avoid talking about DC rumors as much as possible. As the old saying goes, with WB it ain't official till you see a poster.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I try to avoid rumors of anything as much as humanly possible.

 

[The Shape]

Thoughts on this?

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/05/01/you-will-probably-see-your-favorite-villain-in-afflecks-batman-movie

I like the idea of seeing a sprawling Batman universe realized on screen for the first time, but if they want to throw as many villains as possible into one movie it almost makes me wonder if Affleck is seeing his solo movie as a one and done. Cause it just seems like the type of big Batman event that you'd save for your finale.

I'd definitely be curious to see how Affleck casts all those villains in smaller roles though.

It really depends on the concept of the film. If this movie will be Arkham Asylum-esque (which is something I've always championed), then it absolutely makes sense for a slew of Batman's rogues to appear.

 

[BatLobster]

It really depends on the concept of the film. If this movie will be Arkham Asylum-esque (which is something I've always championed), then it absolutely makes sense for a slew of Batman's rogues to appear.

Yeah, I'm not saying the story wouldn't suit it I'm just saying if that's your first solo Batman film it would set a pretty high bar if it was done right. The Batman franchise has historically thrived on the intrigue around which villain might appear next, so it would be kind of front-loading the solo-series to see so many villains appear in the first film.

I'm just wondering if Affleck wants to make one ultimate Batman film, then drop the mic and walk away.

 

[Slade W]

DCEU has had a bad enough start as it is. They should just keep it simple IMO and not try to have too many villains in a film so early (if that report is true of course). You should take more risks once you have built a solid base and platform like Marvel have. If they pull it off they deserve a lot of credit, of course. Right now though, it is perfectly understandable for people to not expect much if they attempt such a thing.

 

[Tequilla]

I watched BVS yesterday and was really surprised by it. Outside of Cavill figure as Superman, I don't think there's anything I liked. Affleck brings the Affleck-school-of-acting with some frowns that you usually see at junior high plays. GG lacked any kind of presence as Diana. Luthor...lmao. Even the action was not good, outside of one scene with Bats. Give me my TDK final building section with nice progressions than anything in here.

And I liked MOS.

Going from TDK trilogy to this. Ouch. Ouch.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Nolan's vision be damned... Bale's Batman should have continued and been the anchor for the audience in a new world of superpowers and Gods.

The audience loved Bale and he did say he was willing to continue the role.

It's like the progression from B:TAS Batman into Superman and Justice League/JLU. It could have worked.


Bale's Batman (With Affleck's suit and he's the perfect age)
Christopher Nolan as a more hands on producer
Goyer and Jonathan Nolan on screenplay duties.
Snyder kept on the world's shortest leash. Or somebody better altogether.

There's your guaranteed billion.

 

[shauner111]

Exactly.

Cuz we know they would give him a new suit, and the scripts would be different. Nolan wouldn't let them figure out what the next movie was based on "who's Superman gonna fight next!?". There would be more focus on story and more focus on Bruce/Clark. Aliens/gods or not, they wouldn't go overboard with the CGI, slow-motion. The fans and critics do love Affleck, but i still think it has more to do with the visuals and how the fighting was executed, than some "Affleck destroys Bale!" type of statement.

 

[Slade W]

I liked Affleck, and I think his Batman has potential. I do not think he is as good as Bale's though, or even close for that matter. At least not yet. Hopefully he will star in a good film under a good director at some stage and then the comparison will be more interesting.

 

[shauner111]

I think he can pull it off in his own film. But that's a few years away, and we still have to see if we enjoy Jared Leto as Joker. If Justice League ends up being worse than BvS, and people start getting sick of everything, including Ben's Batman..then even the solo film could be in trouble.

They can make Arkham Asylum, but there's no guarantee that Batman will be more likable or written better. No guarantee that it won't be crammed.

 

[BatLobster]

BvS turning out the way it did is more confirmation than I ever needed that it's a good thing Snyder never was allowed to touch Nolan's Batman continuity. It just wouldn't have been a good fit, to put it mildly.

In a perfect world, Jonathan Nolan would've made a successful leap to directing and taken the reigns if we're talking about extending the Nolanverse into the DCEU in a way that felt authentic. On paper it definitely had the potential to be a big crowd pleaser. But overall, I'm really really glad that the legacy of those films wasn't messed with. We may not have gotten BvS, but we could've easily gotten another film that was bad for a different set of reasons. And besides, if they had extended the Nolanverse, we wouldn't be able to get the established Bat-universe with 20 years of history that allows for such things like a dead Robin, Joker-Harley's crazy relationship, the entire rogues gallery out there, etc. You couldn't get those things without majorly retconning the universe, in which case it's really just bringing back Bale as a gimmick.

Besides, even though Bale said he was up for a fourth movie (and I'm sure would've only done it with Nolan directing) he may not have been willing to do a fifth, sixth, seventh appearance as the character.

 

[JackWhite]

There is a interview somewhere where Bale said he could see himself playing Batman until he's 70 or something. I tried looking for it but couldn't find the quote.

 

[BatLobster]

Hmm, I thought that was Hugh Jackman who said that about Wolverine. Didn't realize Bale said something similar. Although I remember Bale and Jackman once joked about doing a Batman vs. Wolverine movie years down the line where there careers were in the toilet.

EDIT: It's towards the end of this:

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