The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 3

[Kane52630]

The kill count is actually less than I thought if you discount the knightmare sequence. Still, seeing Bale react to Affleck mowing people down is priceless.

It just makes all the Batman "kills" in the previous movies look incredibly tame.

 

[The Joker]

Batfleck just made me appreciate Bale, West, and Conroy even more. I mean I always loved them, but a bad characterization of the character just makes you appreciate the good ones even more.

 

[ComicChick]

hey all
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[The Batman]

Batfleck just made me appreciate Bale, West, and Conroy even more. I mean I always loved them, but a bad characterization of the character just makes you appreciate the good ones even more.

Yup. The best thing about Batfleck is that he makes you appreciate how likable and heroic Bale and West were. I've come to value that over some surface-level fidelity to the comics.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

But...but...dat bulge on Batfleck!

 

[Slade W]

Despite the characterisation being bad, I thought the acting was good from Affleck. He was one of the few things that I enjoyed about the movie. With the right director and script, I think he could be a great Batman. I hope he will be good in SS.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I dunno. It was the same old stonefaced Affleck, just with a deeper voice. And he plays Batman exactly the same as he plays Wayne. But he has Snyder's action choregraphy, the artificial voice and the comic accurate suit to distract people from it.

Look at Bale and Keaton. When they are on the suit the transformation isn't just cosmetic. They truly become possessed. Almost different people. Affleck is the same ole Affleck in the suit with his dull eyes.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think they leaned too hard into the damaged, grizzled persona in an attempt to distance themselves from Bale as much as possible. Sadly, in the process, they made the character rather unlikeable at times.

My worry is that I question just how much Affleck really understands the character. I know Kevin Smith likes to remind us how much Affleck loves the character, but does he really get the overall essence? I feel his homework needs to expand beyond Frank Miller and Snyder's skewed vision.

Not only that, but I feel Geoff Johns is completely the wrong person to be co-scripting the solo. I have hated everything Batman-related that he has written.

Affleck has a long way to go to get this right.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

How can someone who gets and 'loves' the character get Johns to write the solo film? Even Scott Snyder would've been better.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Eww... two and a half hours of Batman talking about how the city is a dark, twisted reflection of himself would be torture.

Dini isn't always perfect, but he has a far better handle on the character than Johns or Snyder. WB/Affleck should've gone to him.

 

[shauner111]

I dunno. It was the same old stonefaced Affleck, just with a deeper voice. And he plays Batman exactly the same as he plays Wayne. But he has Snyder's action choregraphy, the artificial voice and the comic accurate suit to distract people from it.

Look at Bale and Keaton. When they are on the suit the transformation isn't just cosmetic. They truly become possessed. Almost different people. Affleck is the same ole Affleck in the suit with his dull eyes.

Im OK with his eyes, but it's just not as impressive as Bale or of course, Keaton. It's really more about Ben's voice and mannerisms that bug me. He just feels like Bruce/Ben in the suit. Maybe he will dive deeper in sequels, maybe he'll get lazy once he directs.

I think his acting comes off good in BvS because the rest of the cast outside of Irons are so bad. But it's really just an alright performance. He's just playing it tired, serious, monotone the whole time. Which fits the character in that movie but it's nothing to write home about.

 

[The Chris]

That was the cardinal sin for me. I didn't like Batman for the first time really. Not how he's performed by the actor, or what he's wearing, but as a person. And unfortunately the history wasn't there in the film to make me buy why he's the way he is compared to other versions of the character. (even then you're a little weak mentally compared to most aren't u?). And yeah I always thought Affleck would be fine but fine wasn't ever gonna be good enough for me and the big reason is he's not an actor who usually transforms. Batman and Bruce being no different was exactly what i expected. Hell Batman in the traditional acting sense really wasn't much, especially after they did the work on his voice that they did. I can pinpoint really fast things i love about Bale and Keaton's approaches to the role and the unique things they brought. But i feel like i can't do that with Ben. Heck most of the things i hear people praise really didn't have much to do with his acting.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Snyder had Cavil play Superman/Clark exactly the same. No wonder Bruce/Batman are the same too.

 

[shauner111]

It's true. There's no true alter ego is there with Snyder? Gotta blame the actors too. Iron Man would be perfect for Zack. But wait, he wouldn't deliver on the humor.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I want them to reduce the budget from BvS to JL, I think it's possible.

 

[Monochron]

I decided to rewatch Watchmen after 5+ years following my recent reading of the comic for the first time.

That was a mistake.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

What's wrong? I thought that was a panel to panel adaption.
I may be wrong though, cause I think the story is overrated, never gave it a second read.

 

[Monochron]

I thought it royally missed the mark in the portrayal of Ozymandias.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It missed the mark on a lot of things. Like portraying Niteowl, Rorscach and Silk Spectre doing wire fu.

 

[AnneFan]

It just makes all the Batman "kills" in the previous movies look incredibly tame.

I think they leaned too hard into the damaged, grizzled persona in an attempt to distance themselves from Bale as much as possible. Sadly, in the process, they made the character rather unlikeable at times.

Which was basically the point.

Affleck has a long way to go to get this right.

Suicide Squad and Justice League aren't that far away, especially since we know Batman lightens his mood/methods in these films.

 

[The Joker]

Is this a Snyder claim? If so take it with a huge pinch of salt.

 

[Kane52630]

Snyder always seem like the guy who like superheroes in the most shallow sense. Like the dude bro who wears a Punisher shirt without having read any of the comics.

 

[Slade W]

Ozymandias was one of my least favourite things in the Watchmen movie, and that is a shame, as he was great and one of my favourite things about the comic. The actor was pretty bad and difficult to watch IMO. Overall, I thought the movie was middling and nowhere near as good as the comic. Not that there is shame in not being as good as the comic, as it is an excellent one, but I thought the movie was so far off that it deserves criticism.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

In the novel Ozy being the villain was a surprise because of how noble and well mannered he was. There wasn't a trace of villainous behavior in him. Which was obviously beyond Snyder's comprehension. Because from the outset Snyder's Ozy had a lampshade on him screaming 'villain'!. Then you add the condescension, the arrogance, the all black rubber attire, and is anyone surprised to find that he is the villain?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Does he appear in more than one scene before the villain reveal?
I remember small parts, closer to being a cameo before revealing him as a villain in the movie.