The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 9

[The Joker]

I miss the days when Batman and DC was on top of the world in the movies. The movies of the TDK trilogy were done with style and class.

 

[shauner111]

Cavill sucks.

Other than the first scene, Batman was completely embarrassing in this movie. Even in that scene, [BLACKOUT]he casually calls out to Alfred out loud while the crook is right beside him. [/BLACKOUT]

As well as his first encounter with Arthur Carry. [BLACKOUT]He had absolutely no concern about safeguarding his identity while they openly talked about it. I guess he was counting on the people to not know English?[/BLACKOUT] Very Batman thing to do.

Haha yeah I said too in my last huge post. He's a dumbass.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The best part was when Superman [BLACKOUT]casually flings Batman away. [/BLACKOUT]Lmao.

 

[shauner111]

The best part was when Superman [BLACKOUT]casually flings Batman away. [/BLACKOUT]Lmao.

That was pretty funny.

 

[BatLobster]

I miss the days when Batman and DC was on top of the world in the movies. The movies of the TDK trilogy were done with style and class.

I've been pretty wistful for the good ol' days of TDKT ever since Man of Steel disappointed me, but MAN I'm feeling it something fierce this weekend.

Nolan's Batman movies were such a fun thing to bond over, culturally, as a fan community, in personal relationships. It felt like everybody was along for the ride and invested in that story, and it was fun to be the resident Batman geek in your circle of friends. That whole experience was truly a joy. Now I feel like semi-embarrassed to even admit that I saw Justice League opening weekend to people.

Ugh. This sucks. I need an IMAX re-release of the trilogy or something to wash this gross feeling away. The 4k release is something to look forward to, but I need a 4k player/TV first haha.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I miss the days when Batman and DC was on top of the world in the movies. The movies of the TDK trilogy were done with style and class.

It’ll never happen again. Was a fun ride though.

 

[shauner111]

Is it weird that I still believe that they CAN be back on top of the world? Call me crazy, but once Marvel puts this Avengers generation to bed soon, if DC can actually learn from this bomb and put the thought of a Justice League sequel to sleep. Or at least get a good director with his own vision after a successful Wonder Woman sequel, Reeves Batman and maaaybe Aquaman?? There's no reason to think that DC can't pull off a World Wrestling Federation circa 1998 come back. They just need to learn from this mistake real fast. If they don't learn in the next few months, then they don't stand a chance.

Always remember what happened with Batman and Robin. Justice League is their rock bottom. And guess what? If they play their cards right, they don't have to wait 8 years to reboot this properly. They have Jenkins/Gadot in place. They have Reeves and possibly Gyllenhaal waiting in the wings. They have Momoa and Wan ready to impress. They can turn this around fast if they smarten up immediately.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

WB should do a live action mix of golden and silver age films in a connected universe, something inspired by Darwyn Cooke's JL New Frontier.

that would be so cool, and such a great way to celebrate the wackiness of old comics. Would be unique as hell.

 

[The Batman]

Yeah, I won't be surprised if the MCU starts the decline in popularity after Avengers 4 or GOTG 3.

 

[BatLobster]

Always remember what happened with Batman and Robin. Justice League is their rock bottom. And guess what? If they play their cards right, they don't have to wait 8 years to reboot this properly. They have Jenkins/Gadot in place. They have Reeves and possibly Gyllenhaal waiting in the wings. They have Momoa and Wan ready to impress. They can turn this around fast if they smarten up immediately.

I hope you're right and this is rock bottom. It feels like it is, but WB just has a history of cancelling stuff when this happens.

To be fair, Spidey is back in the audience's good graces again only a few short years after TASM 2, so it doesn't have to be all doom and gloom. Batman will be good again at some point, and I'd like to think the audience will be there if/when that happens. And I'm actually still really interested in the McKay Nightwing movie, so I hope that still happens.

I think the smartest and only thing WB can do at this point is stop overreacting, stop trying to copy Marvel, and simply hire trustworthy filmmakers who are passionate about getting it right and let them do their thing. Maybe have a rough idea of where you want to go with it, but leave enough room for it to grow organically one film at a time. If a crossover starts to makes sense, then let it happen, but don't force it.

Aquaman could be something unique. The character is there, so if Wan can pull off the visuals I'll definitely be on board.

I still don't know what to make of Geoff Johns' involvement. It's hard to know how much he impacted JL, or how much of that was just Whedon on his own, or how much was just the overall consensus of what the studio wanted.

 

[Iceman]

I miss the days when Batman and DC was on top of the world in the movies. The movies of the TDK trilogy were done with style and class.

They were amazing films. TDK is probably the favourite of almost half of CBM fans.

DC hasn't really done any of their other big heroes successfully (apart from the original 2 Superman films) until Wonder Woman. I think this is the wake up call they needed as the other films at least still made respectable money even if significantly less than expected (apart from SS which did much better than expected). This is looking like an all out box office disaster so it's definitely time for a rethink.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

It's all peaks and valleys... Batman will rise to the top again.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The first ever JL film is a critical and soon to be financial bomb, if this ain’t rock bottom then lord give me strength.

 

[BatLobster]

The first ever JL film is a critical and soon to be financial bomb, if this ain’t rock bottom then lord give me strength.

Absolute worst case scenario for me would be we don't get another solo Superman film in the next 5 years (feels very possible to me) and Reeves ends up abandoning ship and Batman goes into development hell with different directors coming and going ala 1997-2003.

It wasn't just Batman & Robin as a movie that made it the rock bottom, it was the aftermath. So I'm just preparing myself for some potential aftermath here. Obviously, it's a different age now and the audience is used to constant reboots and all sorts of craziness with this genre, so hopefully nothing that drastic happens. WB has always been gun shy with Superman though, so I really feel like he's the most likely casualty here.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I think we are basically losing Affleck. WB will recast the part and move forward with Reeves' standalone trilogy.

Hopefully we lose Leto in the process.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

WB needs to realize that Cavill is only as good as his director is. Get a Vaughn in here and I bet he will at least put in a serviceable performance. They shouldnt fault the actor or the character, it’s the director.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think we are basically losing Affleck. WB will recast the part and move forward with Reeves' standalone trilogy.

Hopefully we lose Leto in the process.

Addition by subtraction

 

[BatLobster]

I think we are basically losing Affleck. WB will recast the part and move forward with Reeves' standalone trilogy.

Hopefully we lose Leto in the process.

All of that we pretty much were already assuming before JL even came out though. I'm just wondering how this poor box office performance may or may not change the landscape.

At least WB's had a very good year otherwise. I don't think they were expecting JL to pull a billion, but surely they had to be expecting that it would open better than this. It may have a tough time crawling to 200 million domestic.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

All of that we pretty much were already assuming before JL even came out though. I'm just wondering how this poor box office performance may or may not change the landscape.

At the very least, at least WB's had a very good year otherwise.

Yeah, thats what I'm saying, this BO underperformance shouldn't affect Batman too much outside of Affleck (and perhaps co-stars). If anything, it might just give Reeves a heck of alot more freedom.

Hopefully this also knocks ridiculous ideas such as a Deathstroke movie on it's head.

 

[Iceman]

Yeah, I won't be surprised if the MCU starts the decline in popularity after Avengers 4 or GOTG 3.

I think it will probably be at peak popularity at the time of Avengers 4 (assuming that is handled well). Will be interesting to see what happens after, that will the major test.

 

[Iceman]

It's all peaks and valleys... Batman will rise to the top again.

The first ever JL film is a critical and soon to be financial bomb, if this ain’t rock bottom then lord give me strength.

Batman will rise to the top again but then he's an established cinematic giant. JL isn't though and any future attempt at a JL will always be tainted by the results of this one.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, thats what I'm saying, this BO underperformance shouldn't affect Batman too much outside of Affleck (and perhaps co-stars). If anything, it might just give Reeves a heck of alot more freedom.

Hopefully this also knocks ridiculous ideas such as a Deathstroke movie on it's head.

I definitely hope you're right. I just hope Reeves doesn't start thinking that it isn't worth all the baggage and pressure and awkwardness of having to coexist with all this stuff. That's purely my own fear talking, I'm just feeling down about everything right now. By all accounts Reeves seems pretty invested in telling a big, juicy, character-driven Batman story, so I hope he stays committed and undeterred.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think he is more likely to stand shoulder to shoulder with Wonder Woman at this point, assuming his DCEU film will be good.
I have my doubts and I know what the chosen director is capable of.

 

[shauner111]

I'm being hard on Cavill. He has terrible lines and minimal screentime with awful effects and direction. He comes off bad but i do know that you guys are right, in that he can excel in a better environment.

This may just inspire Reeves to focus on making the movies stand alone. Best possible scenario for Batman.

What WB needs is 3 to 5 solo films that all CRUSH critically and commercially. I'm not talking about possible failures from side films like Suicide Squad 2, Shazam, Harley/Joker, Batgirl or even Nightwing. If those fail, it doesn't affect Justice League 2. From the league itself, they need HITS from Wonder Woman 2, The Batman, Aquaman. That's three. Four and five would be Man of Steel 2 and Flashpoint, if they give them a chance. 3 to 5 successful films back to back. So WB needs to postpone a JL sequel indefinitely, focus on these solo projects, And only then will the audience care enough to buy a ticket with the two words JUSTICE LEAGUE on it. That's when you make a sequel with a new writer/director. Drop the budget a little. Give them more creative control. Look to the first one to avoid what didn't work. Take their time and deliver the best Justice League film they can make. When that hits big, it'll be GIGANTIC. As big as the Avengers, but even larger because these characters are more iconic...

 

[redfirebird2008]

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Remember how you felt in summer 2005? I have never been more pumped up in a movie theater than the end of Batman Begins.

The whole franchise has been flushed down the toilet, starting with Man of Steel's third act in 2013. It has only gotten worse since then. Gal Gadot's Wonder Woman is the lone bright spot, but they even tried to ruin that movie with a terrible CGI-fest in the third act.