BvS Ben Affleck IS Batman - - Part 17

[KillerMcQueen]

But what if that was his normal voice? Then Gordon would feel like a dick.

Well, considering how much more subtle his voice was in Begins (where it only got really gravelly when he was in full monster mode), it kinda makes it stand out a bit more.

 

[shauner111]

That's where it really comes unstuck for me. You keep expecting Gordon to call him out on it, and ask him who he's trying to impress, or why he is growling out all that confidential information so loudly. I wish he had said "no, I'm sorry- just stop".

Like i said, he's not trying to be intimidating. He's hiding his voice. The cops left the room, but they're still around in the bank. Batman isn't right next to Gordon either.

 

[MrsKent26]

Like i said, he's not trying to be intimidating. He's hiding his voice. The cops left the room, but they're still around in the bank. Batman isn't right next to Gordon either.

Yeah, I read that as batman hiding his voice/identity from Gordon as well. It didn't make me like the voice, but I didn't think it was odd that he used it in that scene.

 

[Jekecy]

Like i said, he's not trying to be intimidating. He's hiding his voice.

Dark Knight Rises sort of disputed that theory.

A lot of people easily miss this quick moment in TDK, which all but states Bruce is unconsciously shifting to "Batman mode" when the time calls for it.

That's the only reasonable explanation for why he's still using the voice when he's all alone or when he's talking to someone who already knows who he is.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Here's some Batman eye-candy to pass the time...

The next thing you see is Batman jumping off and the back of that cape getting caught somewhere on that statue and Batman stops midair and slams his face right into the wall.

Also, what is that protruding from between his legs?

 

[DeadPresident]

Utility belt's pouches.

 

[Micromind]

Dark Knight Rises sort of disputed that theory.

A lot of people easily miss this quick moment in TDK, which all but states Bruce is unconsciously shifting to "Batman mode" when the time calls for it.

That's the only reasonable explanation for why he's still using the voice when he's all alone or when he's talking to someone who already knows who he is.

Is is really that difficult to believe in the explanation given in BB that there is a voice distortion gadget in built in his cowl to hide his true voice ?


Which is why even if he is alone in Batcave and taking to Alfred (or himself) while the mask is on, his voice is not normal.

 

[Jekecy]

Is is really that difficult to believe in the explanation given in BB that there is a voice distortion gadget in built in his cowl to hide his true voice ?

Gonna have to link or describe said explanation. I've watched BB numerous times and I don't ever recall such a scene.

 

[regwec]

But what if that was his normal voice? Then Gordon would feel like a dick.

Seriously, the guy runs around in full body armor, uses high tech gadgets, drives a tank, and has a bat motif, yet you expect Gordon to have an issue with his voice?

But all that stuff is tooled for effect, and the effect is intended to be delivered on criminals. It would be unreasonable to expect Bruce to take off the Batsuit when talking to Gordon, but he doesn't need to bark at him in the silly voiceover style anymore than he needs to summon swarms of bats while they are mid conversion.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I don't think it's unreasonable for him to disguise his voice around Gordon. If Gordon recognized him as Bruce Wayne (which would likely happen over time), Gordon's life and the life of his family would be in danger since he knows Bat's identity. Same applies to everyone else Batman wants to protect. It's just a "for good measure" kind of thing IMO.

 

[slumcat]

How would anyone come to know Gordon knows Bruce's identity?

And almost everyone in the Nolan movies seemed to know his identity anyways, including the JGL character who got to know he was Batman by looking at his eyes wasn't it? Or some other **** of this sort.

 

[lukebrodyg]

How would anyone come to know Gordon knows Bruce's identity?

And almost everyone in the Nolan movies seemed to know his identity anyways, including the JGL character who got to know he was Batman by looking at his eyes wasn't it? Or some other **** of this sort.

I dunno. Better safe than sorry? /\__/\

(Hahahahaha to the bolded...good point)

 

[Travesty]

And almost everyone in the Nolan movies seemed to know his identity anyways, including the JGL character who got to know he was Batman by looking at his eyes wasn't it? Or some other **** of this sort.

Nononono, it was because he could feel it in his bones and stuff.....

 

[Superherofan123]

No more pics of Ben from yesterday?

 

[Micromind]

Gonna have to link or describe said explanation. I've watched BB numerous times and I don't ever recall such a scene.

It's explained in the making of BB book. In the TDK trilogy his voice gets distorted even when he talks with himself, which kind of explains the whole thing. (unless you are one of those who thinks they did it just for laughs.)

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If it's not in the film it doesn't exist, I shouldn't have to read supplemental materials to understand something.

 

[slumcat]

It HAS to be in the film.

Otherwise you can retcon away any plot hole in any movie.

And even the book just says there is a device to amplify his voice (meaning increase the volume) but not to change it. Or am I reading it wrong?

 

[BatLobster]

As a Star Wars fan, I'm just used to the idea of non-canonical elements and things that aren't fully explained in the films having explanations elsewhere. It makes the world of the film feel larger, which is always nice if you're a nerd for this stuff. It's the same spirit I approach the viral marketing materials with.

It's not like it's a plot hole to not mention a voice modulator though.

 

[slumcat]

It isn't even a modulator though, is it? Its just an amplifier.

 

[super85]

He speaks with a different voice as Batman and as Bruce. That has been mentioned a milloin times in the comics. I love that scene in The Dark Knight at the party were Bruces voice changes when things get serious.

 

[BatLobster]

Yeah, actually you're right slumcat. Either way I never thought the voice was only meant to be coming from the amplifier. Clearly he's affecting the voice...which you either like or you don't, and most people don't.

It's just a cool non-canonical detail that might've been a part of the thought process in choosing to alter the voice a bit in post. Not a huge deal to me.

Oddly enough, Kevin Smith wants them to actually go with a full-on voice modulator for Batfleck. I doubt that happens though.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I have no issue with him changing his voice or even talking to himself or Alfred in the Batman voice but those facts still don't negate my distain for using outside sources to explain things in a film. If it isn't in the film it doesn't exist to me in the film world. In the film world Bruce Wayne is just making up the Batman voice without any help.

 

[BatLobster]

There are some scenes, particularly in TDK where you can clearly hear the digital distortion though. Having read the BB book beforehand, it was hard for me not to put two and two together there.

I understand just wanting to take a thing at face value though. Again...it's just being nerdy about something.

They never once explain that lightsabers are powered by crystals in any of the six Star Wars films, but it's an accepted (and now canon) part of the mythology.

 

[Boy Scout]

C'mon, not even a little bit?

Nope.

 

[shauner111]

It's everything at once, and that's why i love it.

A) it's to disguise his voice
B) it's because he becomes a bat, an animal, once he's in the suit whether he realizes it or not. it's how he unleashes his rage.
C) he's doing the voice but the cowl seems to be enhancing the volume or distortion a little bit to help with the disguise and/or help him come off more like a beast


Somebody said that they enjoy it because Batman is a guy who never grew up. What he's doing is a little bit crazy and not exactly a normal adult thing to do. He doesn't care what he sounds like, he's just going for it. The voice is as over the top as his costume, as the entire concept of "the batman".

I would have to agree.

Also, ive noticed in the trilogy, where he's clearly in mission mode, his brain doesn't let him turn the voice off. He just IS Batman, when talking to Lucius on his way to take out Joker. Or talking to Catwoman when they're on their way to the batpod. But when Batman is at his most vulnerable point, he talks normal. No growl at all. Like when he's in the batcave talking to Rachel when she's drugged. He then takes his mask off and you see how much he knows he can't be with her (in that moment). Or when he's stabbed by Talia. He talks normal during that scene AND when he's speaking to Catwoman while trying to take the rope off his neck, still wounded. But once he enters the bat, he can't let pain or anything get in his way. He's 100 percent in Batman mode trying to get rid of the bomb. That's when the growl returns.

I love it. I dont care what people say. I get why some may understand all of this but they simply didnt like the execution of it. The sound of the voice. The delivery. But i dont think it's as bad as people say. I could at least understand every word coming out of his mouth, and even if it's a little over the top or whacky at times, i think that fits the entire idea of the character. So i embrace it.

There's a good argument in saying the voice should be calm because he's a ninja and bats aren't growling all over the place. And that's why Keaton's approach works. But there's another good argument if you say "well, if that were true then he should have a super high screeching voice hehe since that's what bats sound like". Then you have the fact that he's not trying to come off like a normal human being, so the idea of him talking normally or whispering would not work well with how he sees himself. Making it seem like he's demonic, other wordly actually goes well with Bale's voice since no normal person speaks that way.