Chapter 46 - "Our Father" - Discussion Thread 12/08/2008

[SuperT]

It seems that this entire season was bringing back everything from season 1 to regain the magic We even are left with Hiro in the past again

The thing they don't understand is that we didn't WANT season one back as a complete duplicate. We wanted them to still use the same chemistry and magic as season one, while introducing fresh new characters and story arcs that made sense.

That's what the writers don't get.

 

[Star]

So when Arthur died do you think everyone got their powers back? Like the light that kind of burst out of him or whatever?

I am conflicted. I don't want Peter to be such an unbeatable power house, but I liked him better with powers....

 

[bullets]

It seems that this entire season was bringing back everything from season 1 to regain the magic We even are left with Hiro in the past again

the show is too over the top to ever be close to the first season again.


also tim kring wrote tonight's episode.

 

[bullets]

So when Arthur died do you think everyone got their powers back? Like the light that kind of burst out of him or whatever?

I am conflicted. I don't want Peter to be such an unbeatable power house, but I liked him better with powers....

i thought peter was going to inherit that light right there but it seemed to vanish. peter will get his powers back but with them he almost becomes a superman type character . peter will need his powers to compete with sylar who can do just about anything now.

 

[The Apocalypse]

i thought peter was going to inherit that light right there but it seemed to vanish. peter will get his powers back but with them he almost becomes a superman type character . peter will need his powers to compete with sylar who can do just about anything now.

Do you really think they're going to go back to the whole everyone vs. Sylar again (so quick)?

 

[stillanerd]

All right, is okay to say I liked this episode? Because I did. First of all, we get some great moments involving Hiro and Claire in the past both dealing with their families, which of course "family" was the common theme obviously in this episode. I just like the idea that Clarie was the one who helped HRG come up with the name "Clarie Bear" and that was made him be able to find that he could love Claire. I liked the idea of Hiro being able to see and speak to his mother one last time. Oh, sure, it creates all kinds of "chicken or the egg" paradoxes, but hey, that's time travel for you.

Speaking of which, holy crap! Hiro's powerless and trapped in 1991?! Say it ain't so! Still, I guess that's one way of making Hiro stop time travelling and being too powerful, but geez, I guess that means we're going to see "older Hiro" by the time the present rolls around? Not to mention we get a hint as to how Ando motivation for getting powers--too bad it will be the wrong ones.

And Sylar is back to being his psycho killing self. Not to mention killing Arthur Petrelli and thus sparing Peter from becoming a "killer" Not to mention that line "Don't worry Peter. I won't kill you. You have nothing I need now." By far one of the better scenes with Sylar this season. Although, jeez, as if slicing open Elle's head wasn't enough, he's got to cremate her as well? That was a bit much. Although, that elevator scene with the Pinehurst employee made me think of the elevator scene in Spider-Man 2, so I wonder if that was intentional as a "homage."

Speaking of which, how about that "salute" to Captain America by testing the formula on the grunt? Even got a skinny blond haired, blue-eyed guy for the part.

The only thing that was kind of dissapointing was the whole getting Issac's sketchbook subplot with Matt, Daphne and Ando, but otherwise, much of the other stuff was pretty good, I thought.

 

[javphonic]

Might've already been asked, but how did Mr. Petrelli go back in time?-

and does anyone think that Sylar's time spent as a hero was all for nothing and seems pointless now, as he still kills, rather than use what he learned from Mr. Petrelli... plus I'm mad he just killed Elle and his personality just flipped so quickly


does anyone think Mr. Petrelli is really dead, when Peter was standing over him, I was expecting him to smirk any moment and get up,

plus just wondering how was it that Sylar was able to stop the bullet if The Haitian was still negating abilities? he was weakened, but Sylar didn't seem at all effected?

 

[stillanerd]

Might've already been asked, but how did Mr. Petrelli go back in time?-

Peter originally had Hiro's teleportation/time-traveling abilities, so when Arthur stole his sons powers, he gained those as well.

and does anyone think that Sylar's time spent as a hero was all for nothing and seems pointless now, as he still kills, rather than use what he learned from Mr. Petrelli... plus I'm mad he just killed Elle and his personality just flipped so quickly

Well, his power of "figuring out how things work" always made him susceptible to the "hunger" (which was pretty lame, I grant you) but basically the whole volume was essentially Sylar's last chance to find redemption and, after the eclipse and being "killed" by HRG last episode, he resigned himself to the fact that he wasn't going to change. Not to mention that, while got absorb powers emotionally, he just likes slicing open his victims heads.

does anyone think Mr. Petrelli is really dead, when Peter was standing over him, I was expecting him to smirk any moment and get up,

He's pretty much dead, as the show has continually told us that nobody can come back to life if something is lodged within their brain. And if it's small enough to be a bullet, then they're pretty much gone for good.

plus just wondering how was it that Sylar was able to stop the bullet if The Haitian was still negating abilities? he was weakened, but Sylar didn't seem at all effected?

The Haitian, if you remember, kept saying Arthur was too powerful and it was difficult trying to hold back all those powers at once, thus he was severely weakened and unable to use his power inhibition powers. If you notice, Arthur was able to use his telekinesis on Peter to cut him as Peter fired the gun before Sylar froze the bullet in mid-air. So the Haitain wasn't using his powers at that point.

 

[louiebling$]

Great Episode can't wait til next week.

 

[Hush]

This was the best episode of the season and prolly one of the best of the shows existence. Hiro with his Mom almost made me cry, man Masi Oka can act his ass off. I mean that performance almost warranted an Emmy nod. Loved this episode on all levels, finally ARTHUR IS DEAD! I hated his character and everything about him! Please give pete his powers back, like now! My two favorites are powerless. This was just like the Heroes i got hooked one season 1.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Well technically Claire was never the catalyst

Is that not were Claire would have originally gotten her healing power from? Since Hiro took on his mother's power instead of baby Claire isn't she now powerless & trapted in the past? Maybe we will get to see a Claire next week that is either 33 or 34 years old if she survives the 16 year age gap between the past & the future powers or not.

 

[Andreth]

I figured out why Arthur and future Peter cannot come back to life. In Season 1 when Claire had the glass and the wood in her head, she couldn't come back to life until it was removed. I guess the same applies to all healers because their power lies in their brain.

But Sylar's bullets came out of his body without any intervention, it's contradictory, maybe size does matter in this case

Although now that I think about this, it makes sense, If it's in the brain it requires intervention, if it's in your body it will automatically expell whatever is causing the damage.

 

[Red]

I really dislike the actor playing Arthur. So annoying the way he talks.

Agreed

Not how I pictured Arthur at all. In fact he was more affective when he didn't speak.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

Is that not were Claire would have originally gotten her healing power from? Since Hiro took on his mother's power instead of baby Claire isn't she now powerless & trapted in the past? Maybe we will get to see a Claire next week that is either 33 or 34 years old if she survives the 16 year age gap between the past & the future powers or not.

arthur sent claire back to the present probably cause she was family, and she didn't get the healing powers from the catylyst, those were inherited from her flying dad and firehands mom

 

[Andreth]

Glad to know I wasn't the only one that found his voice so annoying

 

[Matt]

I gotta say, aside from Sylar's antics I generally enjoyed this episode...but on a show where taking a piss the wrong way or any other tiny action in the past leads to post-apocolyptic futures, does anyone else find it absurd that Claire and Hiro can completely alter where the Company puts something so important (a grown Hiro, someone who is for all intents and purposes a total stranger to people in that time period) and yet somehow everything is fine in the present?

 

[Matt]

Agreed

Not how I pictured Arthur at all. In fact he was more affective when he didn't speak.

I thought the actor sort of resembled Brian Cox...which really made me wish they dished out the cash and got Brian Cox for the role. He would've made it 98 % better.

 

[SuperT]

Is that not were Claire would have originally gotten her healing power from?

Claire didn't have her powers as a result of being the catalyst. She developed her powers naturally, she just held the catalyst in addition to that.

 

[SatEL]

Tip for enjoying Heroes: Switch your brain of just before the show starts and dont question or try to remember a thing about previous episodes.

 

[Matt]

Tip for enjoying Heroes: Switch your brain of just before the show starts and dont question or try to remember a thing about previous episodes.

Still...a major change to the past has had no effect on the future? It is all just a bit too much considering this show has established that taking a piss the wrong way will lead to Manhattan being blown up.

 

[Magenta666]

I gotta say, aside from Sylar's antics I generally enjoyed this episode...but on a show where taking a piss the wrong way or any other tiny action in the past leads to post-apocolyptic futures, does anyone else find it absurd that Claire and Hiro can completely alter where the Company puts something so important (a grown Hiro, someone who is for all intents and purposes a total stranger to people in that time period) and yet somehow everything is fine in the present?

i still think Hiro doesnt get that he cant change the past, like in season 2, what he did caused the future that already was.

wait that doesnt work, because we have gone to futures that are different

oh well selective future changing, hiro never seems to do it, but people like "future peter" and "future hiro" do

maybe it is the "alternate universe along with future" theory, that the universe diverged at the point where whoever it was came back, so some where out there there is a future where sylar is president or where claire is evil and works for pinehearst

 

[Magenta666]

Claire didn't have her powers as a result of being the catalyst. She developed her powers naturally, she just held the catalyst in addition to that.

we dont even know that, we just assumed she did...maybe she never was the catalyst?

the only issue i see with that is why then is she "special" or "different from the rest" like sylar said in the first episode of this season

 

[kane9321]

look its kyle....super marine

 

[SatEL]

Still...a major change to the past has had no effect on the future? It is all just a bit too much considering this show has established that taking a piss the wrong way will lead to Manhattan being blown up.

Thats why I said just dont try and think about things, I enjoyed this episode due to the fact I have isolated the word logic from the Heroes verse. Now I just watch it for the flashy flashy powers and minor action scenes, as opposed to for plot reasons.

 

[SuBe]

Still...a major change to the past has had no effect on the future? It is all just a bit too much considering this show has established that taking a piss the wrong way will lead to Manhattan being blown up.

I assume that Hiro was meant to go back in time. Therefore didn't change anything as he was supposed to have gotten the "light".

I loved the Episode, other than Sylar being the Comedy of the ep. The Hiro/Mother scene was very touching, and so was Claire and Noah talking.

The one thing that bothered me about it was Arther going back in time to steal the "Light". Couldn't they let Hiro be the Hero for one freaking episode instead of 5 minutes later taking it?

It would have been more touching if Hiro just decided to stay in the past on his own accord, and he sends Claire back to the Present. He could have tried to connect with his father, or attend the funeral of his mother. It was a cheap shot to have Arther show up like that.