Chapter 47 - "Duality" - Discussion Thread 12/15/2008

[shadowdog]

This episode was awesome. I can't wqait for February.
Damn, Tracy killed Knox!
I never saw that coming

 

[Gilpesh]

So... Any guesses on how Future Peter gets his scar? Especially since he can heal.

First season - never got healing, so he got the scar.

Second season - no Future Peter to have a scar.

Third season - .... no real good reason for it. But if you want to have a little fun making up your own story, Peter got sliced and it was more of an 'emotional' scar that probably made the wound not heal perfectly... or something.


See, this is what happens when writers do something because it is cool/convenient.

 

[huskerwebhead]

HA!!!! Glad to see Dorn getting some work!! Another Star Trek alum added to the cast. Wonder why that is? Does someone on the production team have ties to Trek or something?

 

[Wheeliegood]

Third season - .... no real good reason for it. But if you want to have a little fun making up your own story, Peter got sliced and it was more of an 'emotional' scar that probably made the wound not heal perfectly... or something.


Going with the emotional thing.... it was put there when he discovered Caitlin body in the future. This way he would never forget her again

 

[Wheeliegood]

I never would have guessed that Nathan was going to be the Hunter of the 4th season. I would have just assumed he would have hired him.

 

[Exploding Boy]

This episode was pretty intense.

I hope Meredith isin't dead. I really like her. Clair should have stayed in the building and saved her

 

[KALEL114]

I liked Ando as a powerless sidekick and so they decide to give him powers and now he is just a lame tool for Hiro again.

We knew he would eventually get powers anyway since Hiro saw him use them in the future. The good thing is, it proves Ando wasn't killing Hiro, but probably making him strong enough to stop the world from ending.

 

[chaseter]

We knew he would eventually get powers anyway since Hiro saw him use them in the future. The good thing is, it proves Ando wasn't killing Hiro, but probably making him strong enough to stop the world from ending.

I know but my point was that Ando was given a power only to remain the lame side kick So the point of him getting a power was nullified. Poor Ando. But wasn't Hiro pointing a sword or something at Ando and then Ando zapped him and Hiro fell over in the future???

 

[Matt]

It feels like the whole point of volume 3 was to lead to Nathan turning into Arthur 2.0 to set up for Fugitives. The problem is...it was just such an inorganic change. Like, at the absolute last minute he changed without a good reason for it. Aside from that, basically everyone is back where they started which makes this whole volume as a whole seem pointless.

 

[Matt]

I know but my point was that Ando was given a power only to remain the lame side kick So the point of him getting a power was nullified. Poor Ando. But wasn't Hiro pointing a sword or something at Ando and then Ando zapped him and Hiro fell over in the future???

Hush! Its like Angela's phone call at the end of season 2! Don't think about it!

 

[Sawyer]

Awesome finale for the volume. So many good things...

Setting up Nathan and Peter as enemies. Nathan's such a bastard...
Tracy getting punched in the face (well deserved)
Claire f***ing stabbing Sylar in the head
Knox snapping Captain America's neck like a twig
Mohinder getting kicked in the nuts (been a long time comin')
Sylar being a total badass, taunting Claire and Angela over the intercom (very Joker-esque)
Great set up for volume 4: Fugitives (WORF!!!)

Honestly, it was pretty much the best episode of the volume, and hopefully the trend continues on for the fourth volume.

 

[KALEL114]

I know but my point was that Ando was given a power only to remain the lame side kick So the point of him getting a power was nullified. Poor Ando. But wasn't Hiro pointing a sword or something at Ando and then Ando zapped him and Hiro fell over in the future???

Gotcha. Poor Ando is right. The thing is we don't know what the circumstances are and what they are saying to each other in that scene. At the time it appeared Ando attacked Hiro, but now we know the type of power Ando has. It makes sense that Hiro would need to be "Super Charged" to stop the world from blowing up. Perhaps it was just the writers throwing some trickery at us (and Hiro). IMO.

 

[TwilightPro101]

Awesome finale for the volume. So many good things...

Setting up Nathan and Peter as enemies. Nathan's such a bastard...
Tracy getting punched in the face (well deserved)
Claire f***ing stabbing Sylar in the head
Knox snapping Captain America's neck like a twig
Mohinder getting kicked in the nuts (been a long time comin')
Sylar being a total badass, taunting Claire and Angela over the intercom (very Joker-esque)
Great set up for volume 4: Fugitives (WORF!!!)

Honestly, it was pretty much the best episode of the volume, and hopefully the trend continues on for the fourth volume.

Feel the same.

 

[04nbod]

It seems the mutant registration act is next!
I don't like the change in nathan. I hope peter got his full abilities back because that is so much a part of his character. I can accept that peter had all his abilities straight away if they explain that arthur could subdue and replicate the DNA trait rather than erasing it.

 

[bunk]

It feels like the whole point of volume 3 was to lead to Nathan turning into Arthur 2.0 to set up for Fugitives. The problem is...it was just such an inorganic change. Like, at the absolute last minute he changed without a good reason for it. Aside from that, basically everyone is back where they started which makes this whole volume as a whole seem pointless.

I thought it was a weird change too. To the point I considered the possibility Aurthur could be somehow inhabiting Nathan. That doesn't seem likely though.

 

[inov8ve]

nathan was already gung ho about the project. now that Arthur is gone he has to take over.

nathan has always been on the fence. this just pushed him over the edge.

 

[louiebling$]

I don't get how know one understand why peter has his ability back.... its not hard to understand.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Awesome finale for the volume. So many good things...

Setting up Nathan and Peter as enemies. Nathan's such a bastard...
Tracy getting punched in the face (well deserved)
Claire f***ing stabbing Sylar in the head
Knox snapping Captain America's neck like a twig
Mohinder getting kicked in the nuts (been a long time comin')
Sylar being a total badass, taunting Claire and Angela over the intercom (very Joker-esque)
Great set up for volume 4: Fugitives (WORF!!!)

Honestly, it was pretty much the best episode of the volume, and hopefully the trend continues on for the fourth volume.

That was pretty ****ing awesome. I let out a "HOLY ****!"

 

[stillanerd]

Well that was a pretty decent end to what was pretty much a not so bad but not all that great "volume." I always had a feeling that since the start of the show, they were going to have the "good brother vs. evil brother" angle going with Peter and Nathan somewhere down the road, and it looks like that's what we now have, although Nathan saying that he now wouldn't save Peter if he was in the position to save him as Peter was? That seemed a bit much, even if he was mad at Peter destroying the formula and ruining their father's dream. At least Peter has his abilities back and most likely has to acquire new powers (technically, he should have Flight from Nathan, Pyrokinesis from Flint, and Super Strength from Mohindir right now--unless he's back to having to physically be around a person in order for him to use those abilities again.)

I did like Sylar playing his little mind game with Claire, HRG, Meredith, and Angela with his whole "you're just as much a monster like I am" relativism argument. Not to mention how, even though he realizes he was lied to by Angela, still wanted love and acceptance from her as though she was his real mother. And while he did make work of the level 5 villians--especially that Puppet Master guy--I'm surprised he didn't try to take their powers afterwards. Although an interesting twist was the confirmation that while Arthur and Angela may not have been his real parents, Angela didn't lie to him that about him being adopted by the Grays. Obviously, next volume is going to be Sylar's quest to find his real mommy and daddy while on the run. Oh, and I don't think for a second that either Meredith or Flint are dead, considering they are both fire proof, after all. Not to mention it would be a real waste if they spent all time with their backstory in that flashback episode and not explore their brother/sister relationship. (Then again, this is Heroes).

One moment that I do have a bit of a problem with his Ando gaining "ability boosting" powers. Part of the appeal of the character in the first place was that he's supposed to be the normal guy, the straight man the audience relates to. Now, he's no longer the identification character per see. I do get that the creators of the show wanted to limit Hiro's teleportation/space-time manipulation abilities, however, and my guess is that the way this will work in later episodes is that in order for Hiro to access those powers, Ando has to "supercharge" him and it will only be for a limited time. This not only limits time travelling, since it would be "too risky" for Hiro to use as he might get stuck again, but it gives a reason to keep Hiro and Ando as the "dynamic duo" of the series.

Another duo I guess will be Tracy and MohinDUH!, and they'll probably play up the idea that Mohindir had an attraction for Nikki and since Tracy is identical to her, well, there you go. It's also clear that they've paired these two up to look further into Tracy's past and her origins. Also, am I wrong to assume that because MohinDUH! was bathed with the formula, he still has super strength without the brundlefly effects?

Well, best moment was Hiro decking Tracy with one punch after being called Pikachu. Coolest moment was seeing Michael Dorn aka Worf as the President. Cop-out but in a very "holy S*** I didn't see that one coming" moment was when Knox snaps the neck of "Captain America" before we got a chance to see him do much of anything. Bigger cop-out and "Gee, guess this proved he was a real waste of time" moment was Tracy freezing Knox to death.

 

[Red]

This volume now seems rather pointless. With the expection of Nathan and Syler everyone is back where they started.

 

[louiebling$]

Ando powers are not just accelerating other abilitys.. I think he has a kinetic energy ability... but his Energy also Amps up someones ability as well.. Becuase if you remember when hiro went into the future ando threw a kinetic energy blast at him...

 

[stillanerd]

Ando powers are not just accelerating other abilitys.. I think he has a kinetic energy ability... but his Energy also Amps up someones ability as well.. Becuase if you remember when hiro went into the future ando threw a kinetic energy blast at him...

Ah, and when he pounded his fist on the table, that's when his powers activated. Sort of combination of Cortez and Bishop from the X-Men. And considering Bishop was a time traveler from the future who had kinetic energy absorbtion/explusion abilities, it's interesting they would have a guy with similar powers paired up with the resident time traveller.

 

[Gallagher]

Bring on the setinels!

 

[Jennifer Walters]

According to the producer's apparently Sylar is really dead and will not be coming back for future seasons.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I will believe that when I see it. As for Ando I dont mind him having non aggressive powers since it wont change him that much.

And while I enjoyed this more than vol.2, they played with their charecters charecterization way to much. Sylar went through how many changes? Along with Nathan. It would have been much better setting Nathan up to be the bad guy since the beginning of the season, learning someone with powers tried to kill him makes him resent them and then finding out his powers were given to him pushing him over the edge finally.