Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 48

[The Don]

there is King Tide occurring in south Florida.....first marketing for Justice League confirmed

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

One of the things I like about the DCEU is that it takes its superheroes seriously. They are not apologetic about it. They dont make fun of themselves. They arent constantly going "Oh we know this comicbook characters are ridiculous so lets not take this seriously". Some "other movies" have had this approach and I kinda feel like its the same way "the cool guys" have always made fun of the geeks, and I feel like its the film community making fun of the geek community, as they are constantly apologising for their superheroes. I am so so glad that Snyder, Affleck, Johns and co arent doing that.

But then can't you also look at it from the opposite perspective in that some people might think those "other movies" have embraced the more whimsical and silly side of comic books, while DC have been the ones lowkey apologizing for it by taking their heroes so seriously? Not bashing, just a genuine question.

 

[Da-Scribe]

But then can't you also look at it from the opposite perspective in that some people might think those "other movies" have embraced the more whimsical and silly side of comic books, while DC have been the ones lowkey apologizing for it by taking their heroes so seriously? Not bashing, just a genuine question.

I don't know if I can see that really. The comics have taken themselves seriously. So I don't see anything wrong with giving it that same sort of attention.

At the same time, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little self-awareness either.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

I don't know if I can see that really. The comics have taken themselves seriously. So I don't see anything wrong with giving it that same sort of attention.

At the same time, I don't think there's anything wrong with a little self-awareness either.

Fair enough, I agree with that.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Well from what we've seen in the JL comic con footage, they seem to be listening to the criticisms of fans and critics alike.

 

[kguillou]

Dark or light, the film just needs to be kickass for it to be successful. I appreciate that Snyder and Terrio were trying to sneak in a political thriller to BvS, and I really liked that aspect but JL really needs to essentially needs to be "300 meets DC characters. " Just one big, epic kickass film. Thats all general audiences want at the end of the day. Zack just needs to go back to his roots.

 

[idiot09]

But then can't you also look at it from the opposite perspective in that some people might think those "other movies" have embraced the more whimsical and silly side of comic books, while DC have been the ones lowkey apologizing for it by taking their heroes so seriously? Not bashing, just a genuine question.

Thats a valid point.Yet the DCEU so far has really embraced the comic book side of things. I mean we are getting characters like Doomsday, have a majestic Krypton, Batman throws people around, Superman and Doomsday have laser beam battles, WW has a glowing magic lasso of truth, SS embraced magic, in JL we are gonna have parademons,Apocalypse,Atlantis,Themiscera,speed force, motherboxes,new gods and all the out there things.In my eyes they are being respectful to the characters and their lore while taking them seriously and I personally like the approach.

Well from what we've seen in the JL comic con footage, they seem to be listening to the criticisms of fans and critics alike.

Yeah man but that's not what im talking about.Im talking about the approach to the characters.I think it's always useful to listen to constructive criticism.This is telling I think from Deborah Snyder :

We’ve been working on the script, we’re aware of things. I don’t know if we’re making those decisions [based on the reaction]. I know we wanted to always make this film to bring up these characters. So obviously I think it’s affected the process in some way, but it was also kind of where we were headed.”

 

[kguillou]

I gotta agree with my man, Idiot09. Marvel and DC are both embracing the comic books...just in different ways. So far in Snyder's films we've had very down to earth dramatic moments, and then a few scenes later we'll see Superman fighting Zod Z style. Thats pure comic booky stuff that quite honestly I ever thought we'd see realized on the big screen (the closest we got were the Matrix films. I think Snyder's good with balancing the realism with the over the top comic book stuff.

 

[fancyarcher]

Personally, I don't dislike mind realism in superhero films, but nowadays I'd much prefer comic books based off properties with real lore and superheroics to fully embrace their concepts more. That's what I really like about the MCU for example.

 

[misslane38]

Personally, I don't dislike mind realism in superhero films, but nowadays I'd much prefer comic books based off properties with real lore and superheroics to fully embrace their concepts more. That's what I really like about the MCU for example.

The earliest Superman stories were gritty and grounded. They were filled with stories about crooked businessmen, war profiteers, child abusers, and domestic violence. It wasn't until the Silver Age that the sci-fi fantasy concepts came into vogue. To me, the DCEU is sort of following the trajectory of DC's own comic book history: the early days are more heavily based in grounded realism, which evolves into more high concept fantasy over time as more and more heroes are introduced and the universe of myths expand. I will say, however, that the first DCEU film, Man of Steel included talking servant robots and a space dragon. It had terraforming and holographic artificial intelligence. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice featured a mad scientist who created a monster, an immortal Amazon, and a visit from a time-traveling speedster. The personal and political stories were grounded in realism, yes, but the universe is evolving from that foundation.

 

[K-Rayner05]

I remember this guy on Reddit who said he saw BVS in L.A at an advanced screening

https://www.reddit.com/r/DC_Cinematic/comments/3ytdgv/saw_bvs_last_night_in_la/?

Lots of false info that r/dccinematic ate up.
-Amboyer is Hal
-Malone is Batgirl

My favorite was that Doomsday was a misdirect and that the real third act villain where Lex's reverse engineered kryptonian drones. And the the entire JL would assemble to defeat them


Even had "proof"

Would rather have seen that film the reddit guy described, than what we actually got.

 

[chintai80]

The earliest Superman stories were gritty and grounded. They were filled with stories about crooked businessmen, war profiteers, child abusers, and domestic violence. It wasn't until the Silver Age that the sci-fi fantasy concepts came into vogue. To me, the DCEU is sort of following the trajectory of DC's own comic book history: the early days are more heavily based in grounded realism, which evolves into more high concept fantasy over time as more and more heroes are introduced and the universe of myths expand. I will say, however, that the first DCEU film, Man of Steel included talking servant robots and a space dragon. It had terraforming and holographic artificial intelligence. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice featured a mad scientist who created a monster, an immortal Amazon, and a visit from a time-traveling speedster. The personal and political stories were grounded in realism, yes, but the universe is evolving from that foundation.

^ I like this tone the DCEU is taking too. It's combining that grounded realism with some crazy fantasy elements as well.
It sets it apart from the MCU - which itself is good too, but I like the variety.
WB just needs to do a better job and not edit the hell out of the theatrical release like they did with BvS and SS.

I do like we are getting a Justice League film soon though - it might be a bit of a rush job, but so far I think the setup for it is decent and makes sense with the story they are trying to tell.

I don't want to watch 7 individual superhero movies before they team up - Marvel's already done that and did a good job at it too - there's no need for DC to try to ape that and I have no time these days to sit through all that haha.

 

[fancyarcher]

The earliest Superman stories were gritty and grounded. They were filled with stories about crooked businessmen, war profiteers, child abusers, and domestic violence. It wasn't until the Silver Age that the sci-fi fantasy concepts came into vogue. To me, the DCEU is sort of following the trajectory of DC's own comic book history: the early days are more heavily based in grounded realism, which evolves into more high concept fantasy over time as more and more heroes are introduced and the universe of myths expand. I will say, however, that the first DCEU film, Man of Steel included talking servant robots and a space dragon. It had terraforming and holographic artificial intelligence. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice featured a mad scientist who created a monster, an immortal Amazon, and a visit from a time-traveling speedster. The personal and political stories were grounded in realism, yes, but the universe is evolving from that foundation.

That's true, although the supposed tone change in JL is really more of a response to BVS's reception then anything. The film still seems to feature grey color pallets though.

I'll admit, I'm still looking forward to JL, although I don't really expect anything great at this point, it does seem WB / DC is trying to embrace their concepts a bit more. Whether that's successful or not, has yet to be seen of course.

 

[K-Rayner05]

If we get more Geoff Johns and less Zack, then who knows.

 

[kguillou]

I feel the same way. I like that this series of movies is essentially a Superman trilogy by way of the Justice League. I think its a unique, different approach to this shared universe idea. I hope DC continues to do their own thing and not copy the competition.

 

[chintai80]

I feel the same way. I like that this series of movies is essentially a Superman trilogy by way of the Justice League. I think its a unique, different approach to this shared universe idea. I hope DC continues to do their own thing and not copy the competition.

Yea i like how Superman's the heart of these movies - that includes Suicide Squad as well.

Everything that's happened and is going to happen in these movies is the result of when "Mankind Is Introduced To the Superman."

The events from Man of Steel, of Superman showing up, becomes the catalyst for all these movies. You really have to watch them as one continuous story. Or like when you read a crossover comicbook storyarc.

 

[Jaxon]

Yea i like how Superman's the heart of these movies - that includes Suicide Squad as well.

Everything that's happened and is going to happen in these movies is the result of when "Mankind Is Introduced To the Superman."

The events from Man of Steel, of Superman showing up, becomes the catalyst for all these movies. You really have to watch them as one continuous story. Or like when you read a crossover comicbook storyarc.

And it's absolutely the only way to do it. Superman is the only one capable of being the face of the world of superhero's and I love how they've treated that seriously by having Clark work out what it means to be the first publicly known superhero.
And now with everyone following with his name "super" its been set up perfectly.

 

[Legendver2]

Yea i like how Superman's the heart of these movies - that includes Suicide Squad as well.

Everything that's happened and is going to happen in these movies is the result of when "Mankind Is Introduced To the Superman."

The events from Man of Steel, of Superman showing up, becomes the catalyst for all these movies. You really have to watch them as one continuous story. Or like when you read a crossover comicbook storyarc.

I really like that idea. MoS, BvS, JL are the main mini series, while WW is like a backdoor first issue spinning off this, and SS is a tie-in.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I wonder if the shark eyes on Momoa was all Snyder or a joint effort between he and Wan or perhaps even originated from Wan solely as they are collaborating together to ensure cohesion between the movies?

 

[metaphysician]

The problem with putting street level characters on the team is you have to make the foes weak enough for them to be effective against. If you do that it calls into question why Superman needs a team to deal with them.

So what your saying is, Batman shouldn't be on the JLA?

 

[Da-Scribe]

I wonder if the shark eyes on Momoa was all Snyder or a joint effort between he and Wan or perhaps even originated from Wan solely as they are collaborating together to ensure cohesion between the movies?

I wouldn't be surprised if Wan played a role in that considering Aquaman wasn't initially depicted that way.

 

[TheRedWraith]

I wouldn't be surprised if Wan played a role in that considering Aquaman wasn't initially depicted that way.

If they did come from Wan I hope it means in the solo that the eyes mean that they are implementing the curse of Kordax so that most Atlanteans look fully human but when one is born with inhuman traits they are exiled to live in an outer ring of the city with Kordax being an animalistic Atlantean who in the past led a failed coup/revolution on the ruling class. This would set up the diverse types or Atlanteans well where the more animalistic ones are either nomads of the sea forming little villages as well as the inhabitants of the outer ring of Atlantis with the outer ring being a place where you can see all different types like ones who are only a little different like Jackson Hyde/Kaldur to ones who are vastly different like King Shark. Also speaking of shark eyes on Momoa I wonder if it was all Snyder or a joint effort between he and Wan or perhaps even originated from Wan as they are collaborating together to ensure cohesion between the movies.

 

[Jaxon]

So what your saying is, Batman shouldn't be on the JLA?

In the MCU they power down the rest of the Avengers in order to make Hawkeye and Widow look useful. I mean, Cap looks so underpowered in Avengers movies compared to him say beating up Iron Man, and Thor especially gets depowered so that he only fights one on one.

So with Batman, I think they'll primarily make him the guy that is all tactical. He works how to win then coordinates the group tactically. He'll certainly have moments where his gadgets have use, like the kryptonite shot against DD, but mostly tactics. A human just can't compete on a level against super powers, unless he has time to prepare tactically. I do think the DCEU will honour Batman's tactical gifts and experience.

 

[chintai80]

In the MCU they power down the rest of the Avengers in order to make Hawkeye and Widow look useful. I mean, Cap looks so underpowered in Avengers movies compared to him say beating up Iron Man, and Thor especially gets depowered so that he only fights one on one.

So with Batman, I think they'll primarily make him the guy that is all tactical. He works how to win then coordinates the group tactically. He'll certainly have moments where his gadgets have use, like the kryptonite shot against DD, but mostly tactics. A human just can't compete on a level against super powers, unless he has time to prepare tactically. I do think the DCEU will honour Batman's tactical gifts and experience.

lol, that's why thor wasn't in civil war. dude would've ended the fight in 3 seconds.

 

[nyyarod]

lol, that's why thor wasn't in civil war. dude would've ended the fight in 3 seconds.

Or Hulk for that matter!