The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!! - Part 1

[Godzilla2014]

Ward or son,people in and out of the movie are still going to make jokes that he's ******* the lad,if not done in a 'PC' way

I said that because, to my knowledge, the legal distinction between ward and son are that a ward is awarded custody temporarily, while an adopted son is permanent.

There's a lot of dishonest nonsense and purposeful obtuseness going on in this thread.

1. Please use costumes from the current generation of adaptations to prove your point. The 70s Spider-Man looked like **** because it was cheap and crappy, not because it looked like Spider-Man. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man looks exactly like the comic and it's ****ing awesome.

2. Enough of the semantics. Catwoman is not, typically, "a killer." Referencing the one murder she commited doesn't change the guy's point. Otherwise, you better consider Nightwing a killer, too, since he killed the Joker, and allowed Blockbuster to be murdered.

On point 2, I believe, in statistics, it is referred to as an outlier.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

There's a lot of dishonest nonsense and purposeful obtuseness going on in this thread.

1. Please use costumes from the current generation of adaptations to prove your point. The 70s Spider-Man looked like **** because it was cheap and crappy, not because it looked like Spider-Man. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man looks exactly like the comic and it's ****ing awesome.

2. Enough of the semantics. Catwoman is not, typically, "a killer." Referencing the one murder she commited doesn't change the guy's point. Otherwise, you better consider Nightwing a killer, too, since he killed the Joker, and allowed Blockbuster to be murdered.

Nightwing is a killer, so is Bruce and Damian. The difference is they have actually changed. Damian knew no better, Bruce intentionally made Joe Chill commit suicide, and intentionally killed R'as Al Ghul several times, stabbed him through the chest, kicked his arm off etc. and Nightwing had a nervous breakdown. Catwoman still commits crimes on a regular basis, she is very anti-hero to the readers, so to the point of view of the characters places her neatly into the "villain" category.

 

[Jick]

Nightwing killed the Joker?
How?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Nightwing killed the Joker?
How?

Beat and strangled him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

There's a lot of dishonest nonsense and purposeful obtuseness going on in this thread.

1. Please use costumes from the current generation of adaptations to prove your point. The 70s Spider-Man looked like **** because it was cheap and crappy, not because it looked like Spider-Man. Sam Raimi's Spider-Man looks exactly like the comic and it's ****ing awesome.

2. Enough of the semantics. Catwoman is not, typically, "a killer." Referencing the one murder she commited doesn't change the guy's point. Otherwise, you better consider Nightwing a killer, too, since he killed the Joker, and allowed Blockbuster to be murdered.

Good post, but about that Nightwing thing... when did that happen?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Good post, but about that Nightwing thing... when did that happen?

Joker: Last Laugh. Joker thought he was dying and basically launches an attack on the entire planet to "jokerise" it. He also tried to forcibly impregnate Harley and Nightwing though Joker had Robin eaten by Croc, so he put a serious beatdown on him.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Bruce intentionally made Joe Chill commit suicide,

That never happened. Never.
*Puts fingers in ears*
LALALALALALALALA, I cant hear you.

Seriously, i dont get why Morrison had to do that.

and intentionally killed R'as Al Ghul several times, stabbed him through the chest, kicked his arm off etc.

When did that happen? I mean, are those in canon stories where Batman doesnt kill?

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That never happened. Never.
*Puts fingers in ears*
LALALALALALALALA, I cant hear you.

Seriously, i dont get why Morrison had to do that.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I thought it added a bit more depth as to why Batman doesn't kill, he already did once, wasn't for him.

When did that happen? I mean, are those in canon stories where Batman doesnt kill?

The best ones are in Hush, Bruce is wondering if R'as is the enemy causing all his rogues to go bezerk and to get the answer, he stabs R'as through the chest, mortally wounding him, and R'as tells him he is not, and he is then taken to a Pit. The second is in R'as' return arc, as he has used all the pits that he can remember the location of, he wishes to take the body of Damian, so Bruce fights through R'as' deadliest fighters scraems "TAKE. YOUR. HANDS. OFF *KICK* MY SON!" He kicks R'as arm off and he start dying of blood loss.

 

[Drz]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I thought it added a bit more depth as to why Batman doesn't kill, he already did once, wasn't for him.

You know i never looked at it that way, thats a really interesting possibility and i hope it would get brought back. It would also help show how Batman from a selffish vengeance vigilante became a redeemed hero.

 

[Rodrigo90]

The thing with Chill,I thought it was left ambiguous as to whether it happened or not?

 

[Drz]

Well it was from Bruce's memory but we never see Joe Chill shoot himself, but we do know he fired the gun but yeah, i thought it was a good tribute to the Golden Age Batman but Lama_Shepherd gives it a whole new thought for me.

 

[the amazing fro]

Y'see I always thought that that whole Joe Chill scene (that entire comic book really) was just some hallucination of what could have been. So is that actually canon? Because that sucks if it is.

I've always preferred it when Joe Chill was never caught. Sure it might be illogical that the worlds greatest detective and crime-fighter could never find his parents killer but I liked how poetic it was.

 

[Mr. Earle]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. I thought it added a bit more depth as to why Batman doesn't kill, he already did once, wasn't for him.

No sir i dont like it!

The best ones are in Hush, Bruce is wondering if R'as is the enemy causing all his rogues to go bezerk and to get the answer, he stabs R'as through the chest, mortally wounding him, and R'as tells him he is not, and he is then taken to a Pit.

Jesus Christ Loeb, can you write any worse? I heard that his work in the Ultimate Universe is worse so i guess he can.

Its been a long time since i read Hush and i guess that's why i dont remember it.

The second is in R'as' return arc, as he has used all the pits that he can remember the location of, he wishes to take the body of Damian, so Bruce fights through R'as' deadliest fighters scraems "TAKE. YOUR. HANDS. OFF *KICK* MY SON!" He kicks R'as arm off and he start dying of blood loss.

I remember the story but not this particular scene. ROFL, wtf Bruce?

But seriously now i dont consider Bruce a killer. Again, that Chill thing never happened. Never.

Y'see I always thought that that whole Joe Chill scene (that entire comic book really) was just some hallucination of what could have been. So is that actually canon? Because that sucks if it is.

I've always preferred it when Joe Chill was never caught. Sure it might be illogical that the worlds greatest detective and crime-fighter could never find his parents killer but I liked how poetic it was.

I'm with ya.

I think it could have been a hallucination, but even if Grant looks me in the eyes and tells me that its canon i will put my fingers in my ears again. ROFL.

 

[Drz]

So is that actually canon? Because that sucks if it is.

Yeah but DC keeps retconning everything left and right so next day Batman caught Chill the next day he never caught him and somedays he flatout murdered him. Something being canon is sadly very irrelevant when it comes to the big names such as Morrison or Johns or Bendis or Brubaker.

 

[the amazing fro]

As much as I like morrisson the man is clearly out of his mind so I wouldn't worry too much on what he sees as canon or not.

[YT]eyfXUe3w73o[/YT]

 

[AnorexicBatman]

So say Bruce adopts an orphan just to show that he's a good Samaritan. This is why I said Batman should find Dick in the similar situation to his. An orphan kid with no one to take care of him. We can have him grow up in the Narrows and Bruce doesn't want him going down the wrong path.

Also, if people think that just because a guy adopts a kid that means he's f***-ing him then someone really needs to call the police because people who think so are pedo's themselves...

 

[Rodrigo90]

Right...who called the cops on me?

I dont think that,but you know what people are like.

 

[cin0]

Nightwing is a killer, so is Bruce and Damian. The difference is they have actually changed. Damian knew no better, Bruce intentionally made Joe Chill commit suicide, and intentionally killed R'as Al Ghul several times, stabbed him through the chest, kicked his arm off etc. and Nightwing had a nervous breakdown. Catwoman still commits crimes on a regular basis, she is very anti-hero to the readers, so to the point of view of the characters places her neatly into the "villain" category.

Killing someone doesn't make you a killer, just like telling a lie doesn't make you a liar.

 

[Mr. Earle]

As much as I like morrisson the man is clearly out of his mind so I wouldn't worry too much on what he sees as canon or not.

[YT]eyfXUe3w73o[/YT]

Morrison isnt insane, he's super sane.

 

[Rodrigo90]

I always believed that when the Doctor in AA:ASHOASE was describing the Joker,it was really Morrison.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Killing someone doesn't make you a killer, just like telling a lie doesn't make you a liar.

Try telling the cops that. In a literal sense "kill" is a verb so someone who has "killed" is a "killer". However, I'd say for some cases they can be described as justifiable homicide and not murder. Catwoman had an unarmed man at her mercy and killed him, as did Grayson. However Grayson then actually tried to do better and hasn't done anything like that since, Catwoman however still continues to break the law, much like Jason Todd. Catwoman didn't try to better herself, she continued to break the law and uses Bruce's feelings toasted her as protection knowing he wouldn't place her in a prison where he thought she would be unsafe. She is still a villain. And thinking about it Blockbuster wouldn't count as killing because it is not a crime to not let someone shoot you, it was more of a failing to do his duty as a hero. Which he then made up for in Infinite Crisis. Whereas Batman killing Sensei would be justifiable homicide as he had killed countless others and intended to kill more but Black Mask could have been incarcerated.

 

[Gotham Knight]

Robin isn't needed in this series.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

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[the amazing fro]

Killing someone doesn't make you a killer, just like telling a lie doesn't make you a liar.

Erm telling a lie does make you a liar.

 

[Rodrigo90]

And killing someone,does make you a killer.