RoboCop Reboot - Part 1

[craigdbfan]

I was being optimistic, based on what little there was to go off of, but "Robocop is a Transformer" and "PG-13 mode" gives me serious pause.

He was engaging in major hyperbole with the Transformer comment. He was referring to Robocops ability of going in and out of "Social mode" and "Combat mode" which could merely mean a change in directives in how he approaches a situation and not a physical transformation.

Even if it were a physical one I doubt it would be anywhere near anything like a Transformer. Drew got caught up in his own exaggeration storm.

 

[moviedoors]

He was engaging in major hyperbole with the Transformer comment. He was referring the ability of going to "Social mode" and then to "Combat mode" that could merely mean a change in directives in how he approaches a situation and not a physical transformation.

Even if it were a physical one I doubt it would be anywhere near anything like a Transformer. Drew got caught up in his own exaggeration storm.

I don't buy that for a second. I don't think he would've used the term "Transformer" if it was merely operational. If that were the case, it wouldn't be worth pointing out in the first place as its not really a departure at all.

I just seems so Hollywood too. You know those suits want something Transformers-esque so they can load the trailer up with dubstep sound effects. "Hey, those big robot movies are making a killing. Lets dust off that Robo-fellow and make sure he has a ****load of moving parts this time."

 

[Webhead2006]

I still think script can change and like others said with the director mentioned he did rewrites scrript could change a lot from between now and shooting while shooting.

Yes I get the director may been forced to do silly things. But the work he has done before and all the solid cast members on this I can't see them all getting on a turd project. Hopefully it will turn out good.

 

[Solidus]

Yes because people on the internet are not hyperbolic. I like Drew, but I don't always agree with him. But welcome to the internet where there is one negative thing said by one person, there for 100% fact that it sucks.

This film has a great crew, and cast, I still feel confident about it.

 

[Webhead2006]

Ya I am confident too with cast and crew. We will just have to see if any of this actually makes it into the film.

 

[craigdbfan]

Yes because people on the internet are not hyperbolic. I like Drew, but I don't always agree with him. But welcome to the internet where there is one negative thing said by one person, there for 100% fact that it sucks.

This film has a great crew, and cast, I still feel confident about it.

This.

 

[moviedoors]

And McWeeny's read it, and none of you have, so excuse me for taking his word for it when he calls Robocop a Transformer and I don't bend over backwards trying to convince myself of what he "really" meant. It's not like that's a vague statement. It's pretty self explanatory. We all know what a ****ing Transformer is.

 

[moviedoors]

But welcome to the internet where there is one negative thing said by one person, there for 100% fact that it sucks.

Speaking of hyperbole...

 

[Solidus]

And McWeeny's read it, and none of you have, so excuse me for taking his word for it when he calls Robocop a Transformer and I don't bend over backwards trying to convince myself of what he "really" meant. It's not like that's a vague statement. It's pretty self explanatory. We all know what a ****ing Transformer is.

You are contradicting yourself. You have not read this either. But you are agreeing with someone that already read it?

You are making a judgement off of something you have not read as well, so don't get all high and mighty with that. Taking someones word for something can be as "faith" based as looking at the talented cast and crew aboard.

If I'm not mistaken Drew, (even myself I will not lie) and many others praised Green Lantern's script to high regard, and look how it turned out. I've also read scripts that were to me at first terrible, but once seeing the directors vision and its complete, can be a completely different story.

And again you are making as many assumptions off of Tranformers (maybe even more so then the others around here.)

I think too many put Robocop in way too high of regard, the film is one of my favorites, but I think nostalgia blinds a lot of people with it, same with 1990's Total Recall, great films, but far....FAR from perfect.

Speaking of hyperbole...

Cute.

But I figure none of this will matter, you have made up your mind. So don't go see this film.

 

[moviedoors]

Combined.

 

[moviedoors]

You are contradicting yourself. You have not read this either. But you are agreeing with someone that already read it?

You are making a judgement off of something you have not read as well, so don't get all high and mighty with that. Taking someones word for something can be as "faith" based as looking at the talented cast and crew aboard.

Yeah, fine. I'm taking a leap too. We all are. We're all basing our excitement or lack thereof based on very little, and that's all fine. What's ruffling my feathers is people twisting his words. He's says "Robocop is a Transformer," and he's read it, and none of you have, so I'm going to take his word over yours. No faith required.

If I'm not mistaken Drew, (even myself I will not lie) and many others praised Green Lantern's script to high regard, and look how it turned out.

You're mistaken. He never reviewed that script. I read the script before hand, and I didn't like it, and the final product ended up even worse. But that's beside the point.

Cute.

But I figure none of this will matter, you have made up your mind. So don't go see this film.

I haven't made up my mind. But I have doubts now based on something tangible in regards to aspects of the property that I feared might go wrong. If the trailer is badass and the inside word starts to change, fine. I hope it does. I don't ever want to root against a movie.

I don't see why this is such a huge sin.

 

[The Guard]

Yeah, none of his "review" stuff suggests to me that this will be a bad movie. Only that it pokes fun at the original movie a bit, and has some nods to it. That's not a horrible thing, seeing as how ROBOCOP poked fun at itself. It's not exactly self aware, but if it had an element of that, it still wouldn't sink the film. The "Transformers" thing...it sounds like Robocop will have different modes, which makes perfect sense. He had different modes in the original as well, the idea just wasn't neccessarily highlighted.

ROBOCOP is a good film. Its also very much a product of the 80's. Heavy on cheese and action cliche and fairly light on thematic exploration and character development, though there is some. But let's not pretend its perfect just because we like it. Still very much looking forward to this movie.

 

[MadVillainy]

Yeah, none of his "review" stuff suggests to me that this will be a bad movie. Only that it pokes fun at the original movie a bit, and has some nods to it. That's not a horrible thing. It's not exactly self aware, but if it had an element of that, it still wouldn't sink the film. The "Transformers" thing...it sounds like Robocop will have different modes, which makes perfect sense. He had different modes in the original as well, the idea just wasn't neccessarily highlighted.

ROBOCOP is a good film. Its also very much a product of the 80's. Heavy on cheese and action cliche and fairly light on thematic exploration and character development, though there is some. But let's not pretend its perfect just because we like it. Still very much looking forward to this movie.

This

 

[Kane52630]

In essence it's a great B film that garnered a cult status that quickly elevated to pop status. When I saw it as a kid on tv I was completely amazed by it, I actually remember buying a Robocop action figure.

 

[moviedoors]

I liked Robocop as a kid, but it was never a favorite. It was never one of those movies I watched over and over and over again. I think I saw it maybe twice while I was under the age of 20. I'd actually seen Robocop 3 and the TV show more. When I revisited it at around 26, I was shocked that it wasn't the horrible cheesefest that I remember most of the property being. I like it a great deal more as an adult than I ever did as a child or an adolescent. I think it's legitimately great. I feel in love with that movie as an adult.

 

[Solidus]

Yeah, fine. I'm taking a leap too. We all are. We're all basing our excitement or lack thereof based on very little, and that's all fine. What's ruffling my feathers is people twisting his words. He's says "Robocop is a Transformer," and he's read it, and none of you have, so I'm going to take his word over yours. No faith required.



You're mistaken. He never reviewed that script. I read the script before hand, and I didn't like it, and the final product ended up even worse. But that's beside the point.

You can take his word, that's fine. But not everyone is going to do so. And again, I think he has nostalgic glasses on. Just as The Guard said, it's not this perfect thing that some are trying to make it out to be.

I love the film, but realize it's flaws as well. And I'm hoping they will do better with it. Robocop was a cult classic, not some massive icon that everyone remembers or cares about. So I think they have more liberty to change things and make them different. As TG said, it was a product of it's time, I would like to see some more taken from it, because it's core is still amazing.

As for the Green Latnern script I could not remember if he was one, but trust me many...many reviewers were loving the script. But it ended up failing in its execution.

You can have your doubts, but I still think you are taking the Tranformers thing out of an odd context, but you can think what you want. I just don't always agree with Drew, and maybe his imagination is not what the directors is, of what this film will be, so he sounds more mad that it's not "Robocop" with better SFX, some just want the same thing with new icing.

Could this movie fail? Hell yes. But I have a feeling it will be good.

 

[moviedoors]

You can have your doubts, but I still think you are taking the Tranformers thing out of an odd context

I'm still failing to see how I'm taking anything out of context in a statement as plain as "Robocop is a Transformer." It seems pretty cut and dry.

If you're okay with that concept, cool. But once again, it's the reading between lines that is driving me crazy. I think Drew said what he meant because its a simple enough concept to convey. I have no reason to think that "Robocop is a Transformer" means anything but exactly that.

Can we please stop arguing over the merits of a movie neither of us have seen and get on the same page?

 

[TheVileOne]

IMHO better a product of the 80's and 90's than a product of 00's and 10's.

 

[Solidus]

I'm still failing to see how I'm taking anything out of context in a statement as plain as "Robocop is a Transformer." It seems pretty cut and dry.

If you're okay with that concept, cool. But once again, it's the reading between lines that is driving me crazy. I think Drew said what he meant because its a simple enough concept to convey. I have no reason to think that "Robocop is a Transformer" means anything but exactly that.

Can we please stop arguing over the merits of a movie neither of us have seen and get on the same page?

But this is what you started to do.......right away. Please, don't act like you were not.

As for the rest, sorry I still think you are taking it too literal.

 

[SWAT]

The original film is great, but Claymation ED-209 looks sh**ty as fu** to watch now.

That's my childhood you sh***ing on!!

 

[moviedoors]

But this is what you started to do.......right away. Please, don't act like you were not.

Wrong, I was weighing in on how I feel about the film given the new information. Which is the point of the thread. I didn't get argumentative until people starting putting words in someone's mouth whose actually read the ****in' script and then started throwing out the same old tired "critics sux" arguments. I'm not, haven't, and won't argue with someone whose excited about the movie. We can talk, but I'm not here to say "you shouldn't like this!" If that's the impression I gave earlier, then I'm sorry, now perish the thought. I will however argue with someone about the nature of film criticism and I will argue with them if I think they're forcing someone's statements to fit their view of things.

This will be the last I will say on this specific matter. I do not have the means to make myself anymore clear.

 

[Slushy]

That's my childhood you sh***ing on!!

Just being honest. = P

Still a good movie, just wish they could've gotten Lucas to insert a CGI'ed Ed.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Just being honest. = P

Still a good movie, just wish they could've gotten Lucas to insert a CGI'ed Ed.

Ugh.

 

[Travesty]

I thought Ed 209 looked alright, and still hold up to a certain extent.

Dick Jones death scene on the other hand....

 

[moviedoors]

Okay, I lied, one more. I reread McWeeny's tweets. Here's the words:

"Robocop is a Transformer. He goes from "social mode" to "combat mode" and back. Full transformation."

That should be the last nail in the coffin when it comes to what he meant. It's not an OS change. I should have just gone back to the tweets two pages ago.

Okay, now I'm done.