RoboCop Reboot - Part 2

[TheBeastWithin]

I think Robocop is ingrained into the public lexicon. It doesn't mean that they've seen it but they've heard of it and know the name of Robocop.

Yes the name is known to many but to a lot of people that's the extent of their familiarity with the character. I'm not saying people don't know Robocop at all, but their experience is typically only with the first movie which is 25 years old. With no significant popular culture presence in a quarter of a century some people vaguely remember it as a relic from the past, not to mention a whole generation of adults were born after it came out. When I dress up as Robo at least half the people I meet have no idea who I am. Mostly only guys in their mid-30's do. One reason I'm looking forward for this movie to come out is that it will reintroduce the character to this generation.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

If you'd actually do your research (solid director, pretty solid script from people on this board that have reviewed it) and stop taking everything at face value, you would know that is definitely not the case.

However, even if you're right, and it does turn out to be the case, it won't be because of the writer and director. It will be because of damn studio interference.

You guys aaid the same thing about Total Recall and it was **** and it failed at the box office. How many times did I have to read something like... "The original was campy garbage, the new Total Recall will be more serious, has a good cast (Colin Ferell can totally act better than Arnold) and more closely follow the short story!" I mean I heard this over and over again and when it came out only haters of the original movie liked it. The public hated and rejected it and the critics were only a little kinder.

If this is a Rise of the Planet of the Apes deal and I am wrong so be it but the studio didn't move that movie out of it's good slot and dump it in a worst one so surely they at least thought it would make some money. I'm not going to be optimistic about a movie that I thought was a bad idea to make from the jump and looks and sounds bad so far. I always want good movies so I will be estatic if I have to eat these words like I did with Rise.

 

[Solidus]

The difference between Robo, and Total Recall, is we actually have read the script, and a pretty solid upcoming director.

Even though I had excitement for Total Recall, Les was never a great director, sometimes mediocre and I hoped that film would be his first real good film. It was not and that sucked.

But Jose actually has two solid great action films behind him. So I will give him the benefit of the doubt on that. And reading the script myself really restored a lot of my faith. I'll be cautiously excited, and I guess I will see what happens.

 

[Figs]

You guys aaid the same thing about Total Recall and it was **** and it failed at the box office. How many times did I have to read something like... "The original was campy garbage, the new Total Recall will be more serious, has a good cast (Colin Ferell can totally act better than Arnold) and more closely follow the short story!" I mean I heard this over and over again and when it came out only haters of the original movie liked it. The public hated and rejected it and the critics were only a little kinder.

I'm not against this film even though the original is a favorite of mine, but I agree with ISS that people's expectations are too high and this movie has a big chance of failing at the BO.

 

[Solidus]

I'm not against this film even though the original is a favorite of mine, but I agree with ISS that people's expectations are too high and this movie has a big chance of failing at the BO.

I could care less about the BO. I care about the actual quality.

 

[Figs]

I could care less about the BO. I care about the actual quality.

The BO talk was directed towards the fans who are already expecting this to do well because they like what they see. Wasn't meaning to include you in that, sorry S.

 

[Solidus]

Ah I see. Ya it's hard to tell how a film like this will do, it is a gamble that is for sure. Hopefully one that pays off.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I could care less about the BO. I care about the actual quality.

You're a smart guy of course you care about the quality first and formost and so do I but I'm not seeing it with this film. Sorry. Most of my post is about the fact I think that the movie is going to be bad like Total Recall.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

You guys aaid the same thing about Total Recall and it was **** and it failed at the box office. How many times did I have to read something like... "The original was campy garbage, the new Total Recall will be more serious, has a good cast (Colin Ferell can totally act better than Arnold) and more closely follow the short story!" I mean I heard this over and over again and when it came out only haters of the original movie liked it. The public hated and rejected it and the critics were only a little kinder.

If this is a Rise of the Planet of the Apes deal and I am wrong so be it but the studio didn't move that movie out of it's good slot and dump it in a worst one so surely they at least thought it would make some money. I'm not going to be optimistic about a movie that I thought was a bad idea to make from the jump and looks and sounds bad so far. I always want good movies so I will be estatic if I have to eat these words like I did with Rise.

This might be because I'm not a fan of Colin and Len, but I knew from the start that the remake to Total Recall would be a dud. The addition of Biel only cemented that for me. She rarely picks good roles. So, when the trailer was released, it only confirmed what I knew was already approaching.

The difference between the Robo and Recall reboots was the script, and the talent attached to the projects. Jose Padilha's Tropa de Elite trumps anything Wiseman has ever done in his career... ever. It was perhaps one of best foreign films I've seen in my life (amongst titles like Pusher and Oldboy). Then you've got the cast surrounding this flick in Oldman, Keaton, Kinnaman, Haley and Cornish.

Quite frankly, it's not even close, nor fair to compare the two for basically disliking the suit.

 

[Still Wynning]

You guys aaid the same thing about Total Recall and it was **** and it failed at the box office. How many times did I have to read something like... "The original was campy garbage, the new Total Recall will be more serious, has a good cast (Colin Ferell can totally act better than Arnold) and more closely follow the short story!" I mean I heard this over and over again and when it came out only haters of the original movie liked it. The public hated and rejected it and the critics were only a little kinder.

In reference to the original Total Recall, I may have listed some stuff about it that I didn't like, but I actually enjoy the movie as a whole. Yes, it is, in a way, typical Verhoeven schlock (over-the-top violence, excessive swearing, showing off practical effects, etc.). But, by golly, it's fun, campy and entertaining schlock. Not to mention that the script is actually pretty smart. And I have to give credit for it expanding on and deviating from stuff that was in the original short story.

As for the remake, I never said that it was going to be good. I only said that I wanted it to be good. That's only because I was hoping that it would do something different from the original, maybe even adapt it more closely to the original short story. Knowing Len Wisemen's track record, however, I probably should have known better.

If this is a Rise of the Planet of the Apes deal and I am wrong so be it but the studio didn't move that movie out of it's good slot and dump it in a worst one so surely they at least thought it would make some money. I'm not going to be optimistic about a movie that I thought was a bad idea to make from the jump and looks and sounds bad so far.

It's funny that you mention that film, because I wasn't over-the-moon before it was released. I had reasonable expectations, but I wasn't sure if actually was going to be good. But I hoped that it would be.

I was very glad to have my expectations met, and even exceeded in some ways.

My stance on movies is this: unless I think the movie looks absolutely horrendous, the director is lousy, the writer is bad, etc., I always hope that a film is good. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best and all that.

For example, after the horror that was Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, I was absolutely dreading Dark of the Moon. But I hoped that it would better than its predecessor. And when the trailer came out, I actually thought, "I guess this could be a fun watch."

And you know what? I actually enjoyed it. Sure, it was far from Oscar-worthy, and it's not the best film ever made, but I actually had fun watching it. It's far from my favorite film (hell, it's not even a good film), but I still think it's a great example of hoping that something can be good while keeping your expectations in check, and actually having it be decent, good or even great.

Do I know if the new Robocop is going to be good or not? No.

Can I hope that it will be good? Taking the talent, director and the script into consideration, very much so.

I'm a "Glass Half-Full" kind of guy, what can I say.

I always want good movies so I will be estatic if I have to eat these words like I did with Rise.

You sure have a funny way of showing it.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

In reference to the original Total Recall, I may have listed some stuff about it that I didn't like, but I actually enjoy the movie as a whole. Yes, it is, in a way, typical Verhoeven schlock (over-the-top violence, excessive swearing, showing off practical effects, etc.). But, by golly, it's fun, campy and entertaining schlock. Not to mention that the script is actually pretty smart. And I have to give credit for it expanding on and deviating from stuff that was in the original short story.

As for the remake, I never said that it was going to be good. I only said that I wanted it to be good. That's only because I was hoping that it would do something different from the original, maybe even adapt it more closely to the original short story. Knowing Len Wisemen's track record, however, I probably should have known better.


It's funny that you mention that film, because I wasn't over-the-moon before it was released. I had reasonable expectations, but I wasn't sure if actually was going to be good. But I hoped that it would be.

I was very glad to have my expectations met, and even exceeded in some ways.

My stance on movies is this: unless I think the movie looks absolutely horrendous, the director is lousy, the writer is bad, etc., I always hope that a film is good. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best and all that.

For example, after the horror that was Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen, I was absolutely dreading Dark of the Moon. But I hoped that it would better than its predecessor. And when the trailer came out, I actually thought, "I guess this could be a fun watch."

And you know what? I actually enjoyed it. Sure, it was far from Oscar-worthy, and it's not the best film ever made, but I actually had fun watching it. It's far from my favorite film (hell, it's not even a good film), but I still think it's a great example of hoping that something can be good while keeping your expectations in check, and actually having it be decent, good or even great.

Do I know if the new Robocop is going to be good or not? No.

Can I hope that it will be good? Taking the talent, director and the script into consideration, very much so.

I'm a "Glass Half-Full" kind of guy, what can I say.


You sure have a funny way of showing it.

If you can sight unseen think that this movie is going to be good than I can sight unseen think that it's going to be bad.

You enjoying Dark of the Moon tells me that our taste in cinema are not that simular and that you will not be hard to please when it comes to this remake. I'm sure you will just love it no matter what the actual quality of the film is.

I'm going to leave soon because I don't want to ruin the fun of the people looking foward to the film.

 

[Hunter Rider]

If you can sight unseen think that this movie is going to be good than I can sight unseen think that it's going to be bad.

You enjoying Dark of the Moon tells me that our taste in cinema are not that simular and that you will not be hard to please when it comes to this remake. I'm sure you will just love it no matter what the actual quality of the film is.

I'm going to leave soon because I don't want to ruin the fun of the people looking foward to the film.

That's incredibly condescending ISS.

 

[Still Wynning]

If you can sight unseen think that this movie is going to be good than I can sight unseen think that it's going to be bad.

I don't always "sight unseen", like you say.

A lot of the time, I do read interviews from people involved in the actual making of the film. I look at the resumes of all those people. I read different reviews and reactions of people that have seen the film in advance. I watch video blogs on the film. I look into every single facet of the film that I possibly can to make the best judgment about a film.

I do my research, try to keep an open mind, and hope for the best. You should try doing the same.

You enjoying Dark of the Moon tells me that our taste in cinema are not that simular and that you will not be hard to please when it comes to this remake. I'm sure you will just love it no matter what the actual quality of the film is.

I also said that I didn't think it was a good film, either. However, there were some parts of the film that I did enjoy that prevented me from calling it a complete disaster of a film. In that regard, it was "enjoyable". Decent, at best, but "enjoyable".

As far as "not be hard to please" and "love it no matter what", I'm actually very particular about what kinds of films I go see (Nolan's films, Marvel's stuff and anything of that caliber is more my taste). And I do care about what the quality of a film is. The level of acting, how good the script is, the cinematography, etc.

There are times, however (like Total Recall and Transformers: Dark of the Moon) where I will forego my usual film selections and try to give a different kind of film a look-see. I may not always like it, and I may even be disappointed, but I can at least say that I tried it.

Stop making assumptions about my taste in film. And stop taking everything at face value and saying that something is the way it is just because it looks or seems that way.

Ever heard the phrase, "Don't judge a book by its cover"?

I'm going to leave soon because I don't want to ruin the fun of the people looking foward to the film.

Then why did you even come into the thread in the first place? You knew full well that what you had to say would would aggravate other posters, and yet you posted it anyway!

I get that it's okay to have a differing opinion from someone else. But you don't even try to hide your disdain, or even have the decency or respect for the people that come into to this thread that are looking forward to this film.

You want to post in here? Fine. But back up what you have to say and show some respect before you even consider doing so. If all you're going to do is come into threads like this to post something just to get a rise out of people, then stop.

Your routine is getting old. I'm tired of it, and I'm sure there are plenty of people on these boards who would agree with me on that statement.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I don't always "sight unseen", like you say.

A lot of the time, I do read interviews from people involved in the actual making of the film. I look at the resumes of all those people. I read different reviews and reactions of people that have seen the film in advance. I watch video blogs on the film. I look into every single facet of the film that I possibly can to make the best judgment about a film.

I do my research, try to keep an open mind, and hope for the best. You should try doing the same.



I also said that I didn't think it was a good film, either. However, there were some parts of the film that I did enjoy that prevented me from calling it a complete disaster of a film. In that regard, it was "enjoyable". Decent, at best, but "enjoyable".

As far as "not be hard to please" and "love it no matter what", I'm actually very particular about what kinds of films I go see (Nolan's films, Marvel's stuff and anything of that caliber is more my taste). And I do care about what the quality of a film is. The level of acting, how good the script is, the cinematography, etc.

There are times, however (like Total Recall and Transformers: Dark of the Moon) where I will forego my usual film selections and try to give a different kind of film a look-see. I may not always like it, and I may even be disappointed, but I can at least say that I tried it.

Stop making assumptions about my taste in film. And stop taking everything at face value and saying that something is the way it is just because it looks or seems that way.

Ever heard the phrase, "Don't judge a book by its cover"?



Then why did you even come into the thread in the first place? You knew full well that what you had to say would would aggravate other posters, and yet you posted it anyway!

I get that it's okay to have a differing opinion from someone else. But you don't even try to hide your disdain, or even have the decency or respect for the people that come into to this thread that are looking forward to this film.

You want to post in here? Fine. But back up what you have to say and show some respect before you even consider doing so. If all you're going to do is come into threads like this to post something just to get a rise out of people, then stop.

Your routine is getting old. I'm tired of it, and I'm sure there are plenty of people on these boards who would agree with me on that statement.

Robocop is a masterpeice to me and I can say that it is truely my favorite movie so you damn right I'm going to voice my opinion about some crappy looking remake after a picture of so called Robocop in a Batman costume comes out and the studio dumps the movie in Feb after it had a prime Summer spot.

This remake particularly irks me because I found the first movie to be damn near perfect. I just think that studios should stop remaking amazing films, it's bad enough those crummy sequels and cartoons and T.V shows exist, do we really need to add to the crap?

I'm thinking about how up in arms the fans of Citizen Kane and Cassablanca would be if they remade those films. They would be livid and thats honestly my feeling about this remake. I can see it all coming like with Total Recall, when the movie is a couple of months out the actors and director are going to go out of there way to trash the original film as cheesy and outdated and and completely dumb. Anything the prop of their over expensive cashgrab. I haven't even been on this thread a lot and won't be on it a lot in the future. Maybe I shouldn't care that this is being remade because it will not change anything about the original film one way or the other but I do care. I'm trying to stop but I keep being pulled back in by my simmering anger over this project's very existence.

As for your last line; I honestly don't care who does or doesn't like me or who is tired of me. I've hardly even been on hype for the last few months so I don't understand how mad somebody can be at me.

Also I hardly ever visited the Spider-Man fourms and I hated the idea of a reboot and I still haven't seen the film for that very reason. I didn't like Thor so I hardly go into the threads chatting about the sequel. There are more films than not that I just don't talk about because I have no interest in them what so ever. Robocop remake is a pet peeve of mine, it's as simple as that.

 

[The Guard]

As a Batfan, it makes me sad that someone can look at the Robocop remake and call it a "Batman costume".

 

[DoomsdayApex]

As a Batfan, it makes me sad that someone can look at the Robocop remake and call it a "Batman costume".

To be fair, we've yet to see the other modes, and we've yet to see an official released still. Subtle alterations during post-production do make a difference.

 

[Gianakin_]

To be fair, we've yet to see the other modes, and we've yet to see an official released still. Subtle alterations during post-production do make a difference.

No, it's Guard's way of saying he dislikes the TDK/TDKR suit.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

I'm wondering why he's in "SWAT" mode in all the set pictures. He's normal mode is described as "metallic blue", no? Interestingly enough, they'll be filming random crimes this week so keep a look out for any pictures on that. Really excited for this movie.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

I haven't read the script that's been circulating but I've seen all the references to Robocop having several different armors. Regardless, I think we've only seen shots of the black suit so far because possibly after heavy script revisions the black suit is the "main" suit that he will be in for the vast majority of the film.

 

[Pepsiguy2]

^SWAT and Social are the same suit he's been wearing in set photos but just differnet coloring which I guess they'll change in post-production

 

[Britannic]

More photos on the set:

http://collider.com/robocop-remake-vehicle-images/204500/

http://cinemavine.com/new-photos-and-details-from-the-toronto-set-of-robocop-2014/

I dont know how reliable it is, but apparently the budget is closer to 150 million.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I bet that suit will be much closer to silver in post production. I think you probably don't want anything to light in natural daylight because everything, including the cameras would be seen in a reflection. So by making it black they can digitally add whatever reflection they want.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I lacks the charm of the original, but I like it.

 

[ChickenScratch]

I see a holster in that first pic,