RoboCop Reboot - Part 3

[jmc]

I love this.

 

[Wookie-Balls]

I saw Gary Oldman whilst working in Paris yesterday. He was with his family and looking a bit peeved so I decided not to ask him the two questions I would love to know the answer to...

1.) What would you say to a fan of the original movie who is skeptical of remakes to mitigate their concerns for the new film?

2.) do you know when the hell a trailer will be released!?!

Sorry guys - epic fail. I know...

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

LOL Nice pic dark_b

The original robocop still looks awesome in the above image the new design just doesn't give any feel of robocop
I wonder if the new Robocop even act like robo

 

[Pittman4Two]

The Robocop theme is so catchy. I hum it when I read this thread lol

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

The original Robocop design is and always will be better than the new one, but I still want the new film to be as good as it possibly can be.

 

[dark_b]

the original design looked unique in 1986. the new design doesnt in 2013.

 

[Persona]

i haven't seen the Elite Squad movies, do you guys think Padilha is a good fit for directing this project? (seems like he brought some of his key crew with him, too, like the DP and composer).

i'm semi-optimistic because of Oldman's involvement, good things i've heard about Elite Squad, and some of the design work released. i'm semi-skeptical mostly about the very idea of a RoboCop reboot and especially a PG-13 one. i don't want to make an overly big deal about the rating but, in this case, it's one of those properties that was sorta born to be Rated-R. kind of curious how they're gonna do this in PG-13 mode, there was so much real gun 'n bullets action in the original and with the current gun control climate, you'd think it wouldn't take much at all of that brand of violence to earn an R. does RoboCop have a super stun-gun now or something? cuz that'd stink.

 

[dark_b]

i think he is a good fit if you give him some creative control.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I still need to watch Padihla's work I have yet to get the chance to, but I assume he's good if he got this job.

 

[Still Wynning]

i haven't seen the Elite Squad movies, do you guys think Padilha is a good fit for directing this project? (seems like he brought some of his key crew with him, too, like the DP and composer).

I still need to watch Padihla's work I have yet to get the chance to, but I assume he's good if he got this job.

Jose Padilha is the main reason why I'm looking forward to this film.

I was already kind of interested to see how this film would turn out even before I knew who Padilha was or what he had done. But watching the Elite Squad: The Enemy Within made me a believer.

The way he balances all of the characters and their personal lives and the corruption within and outside the law, and how they affect each other is just brilliant. And the violence in the film is used sparingly, but when something violent happens, it happens for a reason. It's not there just for spectacle. He's a really good social commentator and, more importantly, a very good storyteller, both qualities needed for a film like this.

If he explores the themes and treats the characters in this film as good as he did in Elite Squad, it's going to be quite something to behold.

 

[Hurm...]

i haven't seen the Elite Squad movies, do you guys think Padilha is a good fit for directing this project? (seems like he brought some of his key crew with him, too, like the DP and composer).

i'm semi-optimistic because of Oldman's involvement, good things i've heard about Elite Squad, and some of the design work released. i'm semi-skeptical mostly about the very idea of a RoboCop reboot and especially a PG-13 one. i don't want to make an overly big deal about the rating but, in this case, it's one of those properties that was sorta born to be Rated-R. kind of curious how they're gonna do this in PG-13 mode, there was so much real gun 'n bullets action in the original and with the current gun control climate, you'd think it wouldn't take much at all of that brand of violence to earn an R. does RoboCop have a super stun-gun now or something? cuz that'd stink.

I think he is an excellent fit. His films have a very distinct style, unlike directors like Brett Ratner and Paul W.S. Anderson who have generic uninspired work. I hope he can bring some of Brazil's chaos to the streets of Chicago in this film. Moreover, I hope he can make an excellent film so that Hollywood, potentially, will search harder for directors who work on non-English speaking projects.

Frankly, Oldman's involvement doesn't mean too much to me considering he's been in quite a few duds (Paranoia, anyone?). Regardless, I'm sure he'll give a good performance. Also, I don't find the PG-13 rating as big of a deal as other people are making it out to be. This is a new film, with a different direction, and the rating does not determine the tone of the film. And in my opinion, the current gun control climate doesn't reflect the MPAA's rating system. This is still 'Murica, and 'Murica's film rating system has always been easier on violence than something like sex (whereas in Canada and many other countries, it is the other way around - this film will likely get a PG rating if it gets a PG-13 rating in the States).

 

[jmc]

The original Robocop design is and always will be better than the new one, but I still want the new film to be as good as it possibly can be.

It's iconic. This new one is essentially an IM suit. As for this new film I still could care less. This is another example of a studio throwing darts in the hope they can hit a franchise from a pre existing property. One of these days someone is going to get hit in the eye from all the darts being thrown.

 

[Still Wynning]

It's iconic. This new one is essentially an IM suit. As for this new film I still could care less. This is another example of a studio throwing darts in the hope they can hit a franchise from a pre existing property. One of these days someone is going to get hit in the eye from all the darts being thrown.

The only difference between this one and the other attempts is that this film actually has a great director at the helm who not only loves, respects and understands the themes in the original film, but is also a great filmmaker and storyteller in his own right (see Elite Squad and Elite Squad: The Enemy Within). He's not remaking the original film as much as he is taking the core themes from the original and adapting them to a new story.

Now, does that guarantee the success of this film? I don't know for certain. I hope that it's good. I want it to be good.

Call me naive. Call me optimistic. But I don't think this is just another dart throw. I have a special feeling about this one.

 

[jmc]

The only difference between this one and the other attempts is that this film actually has a great director at the helm who not only loves, respects and understands the themes in the original film, but is also a great filmmaker and storyteller in his own right (see Elite Squad and Elite Squad: The Enemy Within). He's not remaking the original film as much as he is taking the core themes from the original and adapting them to a new story.

Now, does that guarantee the success of this film? I don't know for certain. I hope that it's good. I want it to be good.

Call me naive. Call me optimistic. But I don't think this is just another dart throw. I have a special feeling about this one.

My problem is if you're adapting core themes into a new story you may as well just do something original in the first place. Why not do your own android story? I understand what the intentions are, but I'd prefer those intentions be put to better use - give us an android movie we haven't seen. By all means be inspired by the original Robocop all you want, use it as a guide, pay tribute to it, but don't just slap a new coat of paint on top of what's already there. My problem isn't with the filmmaker, it's with the studios and their desire for a brand. I'm sick of studios trying to rejig 25-30 year old movies that for the most part were never intended to be 'brands', at least not in the way they are today, they were just movies with interesting concepts. We don't have that anymore and it infuriates me, all we have are studios trying their darndest to have the next franchise. I was naive once, I thought Inception was going to be catalyst for a new wave of big budget originals. Not only has that not happened, things are heading in the complete opposite direction to that hope.

 

[Doctor Jones]

R rating or not, it doesn't change my looking forward to this film at all.

 

[Loki882]

I REALLY want this to be good. It has a talented director, a great cast, and the designs look good (I like the Robocop redesign). Why the hell do studios insist on making franchises that were designed to be rated-R PG-13 (AVP, Total Recall, Die Hard 4, etc), it misses the point.

 

[jmc]

It's because now they can't reel in the budget of the movies and need to hit the widest possible audience to make up the costs. To put it in perspective the original movie cost $13M to make, which is about $27M in today's money. New one is apparently budgeted for $120M.

 

[Loki882]

That's just stupid. You shouldn't need five times the budget to tell a (probably) inferior story.

 

[jmc]

I can't imagine this film is going to be massively CGI heavy as well.

 

[Loki882]

If its good cgi, then I'm fine with it. If the cgi sucks, then I'll want to kick the animator in the balls.

 

[Hordakfan]

i haven't seen the Elite Squad movies, do you guys think Padilha is a good fit for directing this project? (seems like he brought some of his key crew with him, too, like the DP and composer).

i'm semi-optimistic because of Oldman's involvement, good things i've heard about Elite Squad, and some of the design work released. i'm semi-skeptical mostly about the very idea of a RoboCop reboot and especially a PG-13 one. i don't want to make an overly big deal about the rating but, in this case, it's one of those properties that was sorta born to be Rated-R. kind of curious how they're gonna do this in PG-13 mode, there was so much real gun 'n bullets action in the original and with the current gun control climate, you'd think it wouldn't take much at all of that brand of violence to earn an R. does RoboCop have a super stun-gun now or something? cuz that'd stink.

I REALLY want this to be good. It has a talented director, a great cast, and the designs look good (I like the Robocop redesign). Why the hell do studios insist on making franchises that were designed to be rated-R PG-13 (AVP, Total Recall, Die Hard 4, etc), it misses the point.

I agree, it's just greed that's all it is and no artistic freedom. Say Loki, have you seen Predators? that was surprisingly good and actually stayed true to the franchise's roots without being a sell-out to family audiences like those sequels mentioned as Rodriguez knew that Predator was meant to be rated R.

If your gonna do a remake to an R-rated movie, you have to to respect the roots of the original. Now Evil Dead totally respected the original's roots without going PG-13 and that's what i like about it.

I agree PG-13 and Robocop don't ever mix, they tried it with part 3 and it sucked and murdered the franchise. I mean i had high hopes for this remake to respect the original.

Saying the original would be PG-13 today is like saying Scarface or Predator would be PG-13 too, it's absurd and ridiculous as those movies were aimed at adults.

 

[Tanin]

Robocop 3 being pg-13 is not what what made it a bad film.

 

[dark_b]

If its good cgi, then I'm fine with it. If the cgi sucks, then I'll want to kick the animator in the balls.

when the cgi looks bad its not always the fault of the cgi studio. for example ILM and WETA. we have examples where ILM and WETA worked on the movie with a bug budget and the effects were bad. studio and director and the look of the movie.

Nolan and Blomkamp (District9) could work with the worst cgi company and the effects would still look realistic.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Robocop 3 being pg-13 is not what what made it a bad film.

Bad directrion, bad script and bad acting make up for that, the film was just a dud in general. Even Robocop 2 though I like it is nowhere near as good as the first, it's not an easy film to top and inspired and influenced many films that came after it.

 

[Loki882]

Hordakfan, Yes I have seen Predators and I really liked it (Adrien Brody can play a convincing action hero, who knew)? The only SLIGHT disappointments I had with the movie were that Danny Trejo was underused and there was no Arnold cameo.