The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

[Spideyfan93]

Ryan Reynolds was definitely fine. Same goes for the rest of the cast...what it truly lacked was direction, a solid screenplay, and engaging action...which results from a good screenplay/script.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Agreed wholeheartedly, Ryan Reynold was a good Hal Jordan in my opinion.

Yep. I didn't quite understand why he took the blame for the film failing and why people were questioning his acting. Ryan is a damn fine actor. He just got f**ked over by the script writers.

 

[Spider-Vader]

IMO, he still shouldn't have done the role. The Deadpool movie should have been out already, but he keeps delaying it by picking stupid movies like Green Lantern.

No offense to GL fans, I like the character but the movie was garbage.

 

[Quasimod0]

Yes it was. And blakes acting didnt help. Also, nothing really spectacular happened either. :/

 

[T"Challa]

It was criminal how underutilized Mark Strong was in GL..a godamn federal offense

 

[flickchick85]

I don't blame the actors for the film's failure, but they definitely weren't the best people for those roles, imo. (Blake, Ryan & Peter, that is. Mark Strong was fine.)

 

[kedrell]

I think Reynolds is a decent actor who has a lot of charisma. However, I don't think he can play just any role. Maybe he could have done well as Hal Jordan if they'd found a way to make Hal an interesting character without resorting to the need to re-write his character completely from essentially a John Wayne-type square-jawed classic stoic hero to a modern, snarky smart-ass. Hal Jordan is not Tony Stark. Marvel Studios had the same decision to make when doing Captain America. They didn't make him a smarmy smart-alec in an effort to make him more relatable. If they could do that for Steve Rogers then you can't tell me Hal Jordan couldn't have been translated accurately as well. But I don't think Reynolds was to blame for the choice to play Hal the way they did. I think that's how the studio and director wanted it because they had no idea how to sell it any other way.

 

[kedrell]

Agreed wholeheartedly, Ryan Reynold was a good Hal Jordan in my opinion.

The main problem was that Ryan wasn't playing Hal Jordan. He was playing Hal as if he was RDJ playing Tony Stark. All I can say is thank God Chris Evans didn't play Steve Rogers that way as well.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It was criminal how underutilized Mark Strong was in GL..a godamn federal offense

This, 100000000x.

As for Ryan Reynolds playing Hal Jordan like Tony Stark, it's not like Hal wasn't arrogant and *****e-y in the comics. Varying from writer to writer, Hal is very similar to Tony. Ryan did the best he could with the material (and I thought he did a passable job -- all things considering) but this film was doomed from the start. The director, script, filming location and costume were just uninspiring.

It's a shame this film failed. Soooo much potential gone to waste. I think that's what Ryan saw in Green Lantern.

 

[flickchick85]

It's a shame this film failed. Soooo much potential gone to waste.

Indeed. It's weird, I keep watching Green Lantern on HBO despite not caring for it, because I enjoy imagining what could have been. I've never read GL comics, but there is SOOO much cinematic potential in that concept. The film's biggest crime was just not aiming high enough, imo. I wish they were still willing to do a sequel because the basic foundations are there and the "Galaxy-trotting Space Cop" concept is still awesome, they'd just need to get a more ambitious team to make it.

 

[Chewy]

Personally I thought Reynolds was pretty awful as Hal. He was sleepwalking through every scene. Weak script or no, if you as lead don't put forth an engaging performance the film is going to fail.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Indeed. It's weird, I keep watching Green Lantern on HBO despite not caring for it, because I enjoy imagining what could have been. I've never read GL comics, but there is SOOO much cinematic potential in that concept. The film's biggest crime was just not aiming high enough, imo. I wish they were still willing to do a sequel because the basic foundations are there and the "Galaxy-trotting Space Cop" concept is still awesome, they'd just need to get a more ambitious team to make it.

Absolutely.

The concept of a Space-Opera revolving around a Corp of Space Cops safeguarding the universe is a something unique. It's the reason why I fell in love with the Green Lantern comics, and why I was so disappointed and letdown by the film.

The best part of the film for me was when Hal made his journey to Oa, and became the first human ambassador to the Green Lantern Corps. The introduction to the other Lanterns from across the universe, Sinestro's speech and Hal's training were hands down just as great. Yet... those moments were forgotten about 5 minutes later when Hal decides to leave.

I'm still hoping we get a sequel but things have to be different. Way different. First, forget New Orleans. NO is not what I envisioned for Coast City. Relocate to San Diego or Miami. Second, hire a better group of writers. Third, hire Brad Bird or Duncan Jones for Director. Fourth, Space-Opera. Stick to the premise! Fifth, no CGI suit and redesign the domino mask. And finally, do not revert back to the two-villain equation. Sinestro should be enough. Focus on him.

All in all, if a sequel does not materialize, the future still looks bright for Green Lantern. The new cartoon seems to be a success thus far.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Personally I thought Reynolds was pretty awful as Hal. He was sleepwalking through every scene. Weak script or no, if you as lead don't put forth an engaging performance the film is going to fail.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe that.

1.) Ryan wasn't awful. That's merely an opinion. I personally thought he did a passable job.

2.) Ryan could've had an Oscar-caliber performance and GL still would've flopped like holy hell.

 

[Quasimod0]

Well there's always good ol' Nova and the nova corps.

 

[Shadowlord X]

Well there's always good ol' Nova and the nova corps.

A much better idea.

 

[The Morningstar]

I don't think Reynolds was actively bad. But like Chewy says, he just seemed to be sleep walking through the role. Reynolds' brand of humour is better when it isn't limited to being PG-13. His style is almost crude and mean spirited. I think his lack of enthusiasm for the role was almost tangible. I think he went along just for the paycheck and with the hope it'd be a massive blockbuster success. It's kinda unfair that he gets a lot of stick for it, but at the end of the day, he was the FACE of the movie.

Most of the blame should certainly fall at the feet of the writers and the people who thought the script was good enough to be filmed.

And yea, the misuse of Mark Strong as Sinestro was a crime. Someone mentioned on another thread, GL should have been like Training Day, in space. With Reynolds in Ethan Hawk's role and Strong in Denzel's role. How awesome would that have been?

None of this mooching around on Earth being a sap. Who the **** wants a story about Green Lantern to take place on Earth 90% of the time?

 

[Shadowlord X]

Enough with the gl post-mortem, guys. We have fantastic AVENGERS stuff to talk about.

 

[Xeno]

Enough with the gl post-mortem, guys. We have fantastic AVENGERS stuff to talk about.

We certainly do!


The latest TV ads are extremely well done. The headcount scene was the perfect vehicle for telling the audience exactly who the heroes are and giving a feel for the action in the movie. It's quite ingeniously put together. In my opinion that was the best possible 30-second spot since it showed every major player and their abilities in that very short span of time. It's going to do a good job of selling the movie to potential viewers.

 

[Suzanne78]

I don't blame the actors for the film's failure, but they definitely weren't the best people for those roles, imo. (Blake, Ryan & Peter, that is. Mark Strong was fine.)

I think on paper, Ryan Reynolds would've made a decent Hal Jordan, but when the movie came together, to me he brought nothing special or unique to the movie. Blake Lively, however, was bad. Horrifically bad, in my opinion. I kept wishing they had done some left field casting for Carol Ferris, like Anna Torv maybe. Peter was hammy, but at least he was entertaining for the most part, and Mark Strong was great... I just wish they gave him more to do.

The writing for GL was atrocious. I would've rather they hung out on OA for far more of the movie, or focused on the Corps more.

ETA: Sorry for more GL talk. I'll stop now. So if anyone has that new Cap-centric tv spot, post it!! 've already bugged the news and spec thread

I'm starting to believe this movie could gross close to $900 mil worldwide, probably close to $350-375 here at home, with $400 not unlikely. The Hollywood Stock Exchange (which... I guess who knows how accurate that can be) has been tracking this close to $320-$335 for the past week.

 

[Suzanne78]

We certainly do!


The latest TV ads are extremely well done. The headcount scene was the perfect vehicle for telling the audience exactly who the heroes are and giving a feel for the action in the movie. It's quite ingeniously put together. In my opinion that was the best possible 30-second spot since it showed every major player and their abilities in that very short span of time. It's going to do a good job of selling the movie to potential viewers.

Co-sign. That headcount spot is perfect to explain to the unfamiliar potential viewers what the heck Avengers is all about, if they haven't seen the other movies. And sorry, but using RDJ/Tony Stark as the POV? You can't get much more marketable than that.

Avengers have had some great TV spots thus far. For me, the last couple of trailers and spots have only been rivaled by Prometheus to ramp up anticipation.

 

[BigThor]

The main problem was that Ryan wasn't playing Hal Jordan. He was playing Hal as if he was RDJ playing Tony Stark. All I can say is thank God Chris Evans didn't play Steve Rogers that way as well.

Yeah that only works in some cases, RDJ playing Tony Stark is basically RDJ being himself which worked quite well as well can see.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Well there's always good ol' Nova and the nova corps.

Who?

 

[Shadowlord X]

We certainly do!


The latest TV ads are extremely well done. The headcount scene was the perfect vehicle for telling the audience exactly who the heroes are and giving a feel for the action in the movie. It's quite ingeniously put together. In my opinion that was the best possible 30-second spot since it showed every major player and their abilities in that very short span of time. It's going to do a good job of selling the movie to potential viewers.

The US headcount tv spot is beyond awesome!

I wonder if there are people who still don't know this movie is coming out?

 

[metaphysician]

Who?

Hey, while the GA certainly doesn't know about them, I think you totally could sell them on "space police/knights errant." The trick would be doing a good enough job selling it to make up for the pricey budget it would require.

Or, I think Marvel Studios could do a Nova movie that costs less than Green Lantern, and grosses more at the box office.

 

[Chewy]

Who?

The guy who's going to get a move before Flash or Wonder Woman