The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 1

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Pure destruction occupies a more prominent place in Battleship (I saw the movie AND Avengers).

In The Avengers, the invasion is [BLACKOUT]not global[/BLACKOUT]. So there is more[BLACKOUT] collateral damage[/BLACKOUT] in Battleship.

After seeing the movie I think that the billion is really possible. I hope.
 
What do you mean you're not entirely convinced by the way some of the earlier battles are orchestrated?

There was a lot of physical clashing between the characters. I began to be aware of it happening with regularity, and to me to began to feel a little forced on occasion. But it is action-packed as a result, and that was thrilling to watch.

Obviously the film is about the formation of the team, and the big showdown climax doesn't happen until the last act, so in order to have action before that, it meant the heroes themselves were engaged in a lot of clashing. Conversations boiled over into full-on throwdowns a lot, and I mean a lot...
 
There was a lot of physical clashing between the characters. I began to be aware of it happening with regularity, and to me to began to feel a little forced on occasion. But it is action-packed as a result, and that was thrilling to watch.

Obviously the film is about the formation of the team, and the big showdown climax doesn't happen until the last act, so in order to have action before that, it meant the heroes themselves were engaged in a lot of clashing. Conversations boiled over into full-on throwdowns a lot, and I mean a lot...

I thought hero vs hero action is something that us geeks would want to see as well, not just heroes banding together to save the day.
 
I thought hero vs hero action is something that us geeks would want to see as well, not just heroes banding together to save the day.

Yes indeed, it makes for fantastic viewing and seeing our dreams on screen. I just began to be conscious of conversations that were about to lead to it. We're meant to think they are all so egotistical and incompatible that they are, as Banner says, a timebomb. I'm just not 100 per cent sure it always felt natural or that mainstream critics will accept it.
 
Yes indeed, it makes for fantastic viewing and seeing our dreams on screen. I just began to be conscious of conversations that were about to lead to it. We're meant to think they are all so egotistical and incompatible that they are, as Banner says, a timebomb. I'm just not 100 per cent sure it always felt natural or that mainstream critics will accept it.

I read Whedon's interview about it, where he said that at first the superheroes had to figure out how to come together as a team, and I agree. All of them came from their solo movies (with exception to BW and HE), and their personalities aren't exactly compatible. They did not form a team first, like FF and X-Men did, so I think it is not just logical but almost mandatory that they'd have conflicts early on before they finally see each other as comrades and brother-in-arms. I like this kind of arrangement, and I'm positive the audience will too.
 
I don't think he's disputing that at all, just placing a nitpick about how he felt the buildups to some of the fights were more apparent than others, like "oh here comes another battle!" rather than a more natural/fluid occurrence. I don't think most people will mind though.
 
Regarding Battleship:
Universal’s Battleship continues to screen strongly overseas with estimates from Day 2 and Day 3 bringing the 72-hour total to $25 million now that all 26 international territories are open. Director Peter Berg’s military vs alien actioner debuted to #1 in 24 of those new territories. For months the studio has fought media bad buzz about how risky this expensive pic has been. Especially when the studio is claiming it came in at $209M — and everyone else is saying $250+M. And there’s still the possibility that, in the United States at least, it could become a disappointing ”John Carter in gunmetal grey”.

But the film is performing well enough to allay any fears that the rah-rah-USA patriotic theme in 2D might not do well internationally even in a crowded foreign marketplace (against The Hunger Games, Titanic 3D, American Pie Reunion, and The Wrath Of The Titans). Still, Universal pursued an unorthodox, even daring, strategy to open Battleship internationally more than a month before it debuts May 18th in North America. But it may pay off. My sources project the film should steam past $300M foreign box office based on current trends. The film rolls out to another 24 territories including big guns Russia and China next weekend.
http://www.deadline.com/2012/04/first-box-office-three-stooges-overperforming-for-no-1-friday-knocking-off-hunger-games/
 
I read Whedon's interview about it, where he said that at first the superheroes had to figure out how to come together as a team, and I agree. All of them came from their solo movies (with exception to BW and HE), and their personalities aren't exactly compatible. They did not form a team first, like FF and X-Men did, so I think it is not just logical but almost mandatory that they'd have conflicts early on before they finally see each other as comrades and brother-in-arms. I like this kind of arrangement, and I'm positive the audience will too.

Yes, but it's a question of degree. I was admittedly trying to view it with a critical eye not just go into geek-out mode.

There is a lot of infighting - and on a very destructive scale. I began to notice it rather than being immersed in the story.
 
I don't think he's disputing that at all, just placing a nitpick about how he felt the buildups to some of the fights were more apparent than others, like "oh here comes another battle!" rather than a more natural/fluid occurrence. I don't think most people will mind though.

I think that's exactly it. In addition, I did hear one audience member saying something similar as I left and walked to get the train home. The street was full of people talking Avengers and among the conversations within my earshot was someone saying he felt it was "20 minutes of conversation then another fight, then 20 minutes of conversation and another fight, again and again." I'm not sure if was at 20-minute intervals and I didn't exactly see it as that rhythmic, just that some of the fights didn't feel as natural. One in particular seemed like a 'What?' moment to me. The film keeps its momentum - and audience interest - through the action.
 
A early word reviews have said the first two thirds are definitely weaker than the much better final third - I guess that's when they all band together to fight the attack.
 
I agree with you on that warhorse78 -- I never found the intrigue with Drive. The 'climax' was incredibly underwhelming.

Drive was a good film, but I didn't find anything special about it.

It started out really, really good. I loved the whole beginning. It kind of reminded me of how TDK started, the Joker doing the bank robbing, and then just slipping out with school bus convoy. That set up my anticipation for the flick, thinking I was going to get a very edgy thriller, and well, it ended up not being. I'm not too sure what this movie wanted to be. When I think about it, if they got rid of the whole chick and kid scenario, and just had the boss in it, the movie could have been more enjoyable. But the family dragged the movie down and took me out of the thrill.
 
A early word reviews have said the first two thirds are definitely weaker than the much better final third - I guess that's when they all band together to fight the attack.

So, people want nothing but action and no character development, conflict. Now, if it was nothing but action, then people would ***** about that, and not enough in between times. I just can't take people like that seriously.
 
Yes, but it's a question of degree. I was admittedly trying to view it with a critical eye not just go into geek-out mode.

There is a lot of infighting - and on a very destructive scale. I began to notice it rather than being immersed in the story.

Then would you have removed any action leading up to the third act? Because the way Whedon did it the team will not come together until the last 1/3 of the film, and there's no way they'd start fighting Loki's Army from the get-go.
 
So, people want nothing but action and no character development, conflict. Now, if it was nothing but action, then people would ***** about that, and not enough in between times. I just can't take people like that seriously.

You can't make everybody happy with these sorts of movies. There will always be somebody nitpicking something. And with a movie this anticipated, people will dig deep to find flaws to exploit.
 
I'm not sure people who suggest the first two thirds are weaker than the last count as nitpickers, but I'll see for myself in a couple of weeks.
 
Sorry, but I don't see Battleship as much of a threat. It may well take the no. 1 spot, but opening in the states, at that time, it's not going to make more than 50 million or so, which is pretty good for a mindless action flick.

I think Transformers was more of a draw because of the source material. Battleship just looks stupid.

I could be wrong, but I think American audiences are tired of this crap. It's Battle LA at sea, it's been done 10,000 times before.
 
Sorry, but I don't see Battleship as much of a threat. It may well take the no. 1 spot, but opening in the states, at that time, it's not going to make more than 50 million or so, which is pretty good for a mindless action flick.

I think Transformers was more of a draw because of the source material. Battleship just looks stupid.

I could be wrong, but I think American audiences are tired of this crap. It's Battle LA at sea, it's been done 10,000 times before.

lol actually TF was successful because it was more entertaining. For whatever reasons that may be. After we finally get Battleships numbers, this much at least will be undeniable. It takes more then just effects and saturated lighting. It also takes more than a brand as seen with both BS(battleship) and Joe.
 
I think Battleship will do ok in the U.S. but nothing spectacular. Way too much comeptition with Men in Black 3, Snow White, Prometheus, Madagascar 3, and big movies still in theaters like Avengers, Dark Shadows, and maybe The Dictator.

I also don't think Avengers can beat out TDKR for that very reason. Too much competition and it's not a true summer movie. TDKR really doesn't face any with the exception of Bourne and Total Recall. Both of those movies are still question marks as to how popular they will be. TDKR will have great legs because of that and also the fact that it will be the only great movie out the rest of the summer. Throw into the mix that Batman is more popular still. Regardless of box office figures, Avengers will still be more impressive given how they created a huge franchise out of largely minor characters in the span of 4 years. Think about everything that the MCU has done since TDK came out. That's not taking anything away from TDKR/Nolan/WB but Batman is Batman. Tough to compete with that.
 
The 2008 summer was full of duds if I remember correctly. Especially after Batman. This year there will be more to talk about than just Heath hype. Starting with Avengers and continuing into a few of the surprises(like Kstew) and Ridley Scott, right into the dark horse Spiderman, If that film is actually as good as the Spiderman 2(and there's absolutely no reason to believe otherwise) then it should make at least similar bank and create a stir of conversation. And after batman this year there are at least 3 films that will directly draw from it's audience.

Obviously it will still do well, but compared to Summer 2008 and minus joker it's going to be such a different performance it's not even funny. Grab your pop corn folks.
 
Eh, Joker or no Joker, TDKR still is riding the wave from 2008, and that's all it needs for the film to be gargantuan at the box office.
 
Eh, Joker or no Joker, TDKR still is riding the wave from 2008, and that's all it needs for the film to be gargantuan at the box office.

No one in their right mind will say it won't be big, but having the joker and riding his wave is very different then riding his wave alone.
 
No one in their right mind will say it won't be big, but having the joker and riding his wave is very different then riding his wave alone.

Being Joker-less won't affect this film significantly. Batman and Chris Nolan's name alone will make TDKR just as successful as TDK.
 
Being Joker-less won't affect this film significantly. Batman and Chris Nolan's name alone will make TDKR just as successful as TDK.

Perhaps....that is if batman himself was as interesting a character as he is in the source material. Bale is very much wasted in these films sadly. Joker was that spark of interesting as all hell that the series thus far needed. Maybe Bane and Anne will do it. But your right Nolan is a big name these days.

Anyways, I'm curious what word of mouth will do for Avengers. It worked wonders for Iron man. And I believe this will be Marvel's first film since than that really captures the imagination of the audience and get's them talking about the brand again.
 
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Perhaps....that is if batman himself was as interesting a character as he is in the source material. Bale is very much wasted in these films sadly. Joker was that spark of interesting as all hell that the series thus far needed. Maybe Bane and Anne will do it. But your right Nolan is a big name these days.

I agree. Bale wasn't utilized as much as I wanted in TDK, but I think we're in for a treat in TDKR. Bruce Wayne will be the main focus of the film.

Tom Hardy will be magnificent as Bane [proof: Warrior; Bronson] and Anne is supposedly making waves at WB. Catwoman is said to be one of Nolan's best written characters and Hathaway nailed the role.

Anyways, I'm curious what word of mouth will do for Avengers. It worked wonders for Iron man. And I believe this will be Marvel's first film since than that really captures the imagination of the audience and get's them talking about the brand again.

Yep. I was so disconnected with Marvel's last three attempts that I haven't bothered to rewatch Iron Man 2, Captain America and Thor since the release but The Avengers should undeniably bring back that magic from 2008.
 
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