The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

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Haha, I'm sure they would have liked the extra money, but they have gotten enough from Nolan and his bat-franchise. *Hence why they gave him his way without 3D. Plus, I'm not really sure why people keep comparing Batman with this Avengers movie. They are completely different. I don't expect the general audience to like Batman as much as the Avengers. It isn't as corny or full of CGI.


Yeah..corny and full of CGI...with over 93% ratings on rottentomatoes...

I don't get you Nolanites...you do realize that these same audience that you kind of insulted, were also the same audience that made TDK a succes...and will likely make TDKR a success too..

I guess jealousy do strange things to some people brain...

You do realize it's the mainstream audience that made your favourite movies a succes, right? because there was no chance in hell that somehow only a select intelectually enhanced group ( you Nolan fans) that made TDK 500 millions domestic succes.
 
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Trix are for Avengers?

See I can be just as corny.

I see what you did there. :D

But that's why Avengers is so popular. It's brining out the kid in everyone, grown adults included. It's just pure escapism. I imagine it's reminded the 40 year olds and up what it was like to first watch A New Hope in the cinema. That's what Avengers brings to the table.
 
I predict that certain fanatics crying will become overbearing in the days ahead. If only they could realize how ridiculous they all sound...:word:
 
I do beleive I called this



and yes I have seen it and YES is is is is


AWSOMENESS TO THE EXTREAME


Everytime the hulk was on screen I was on the edge of my seat



Ruffalow was THE MAN
 
Avengers isn't corny at all. Because it's fully self aware of how ridiculous a concept it is. The Bat movies aren't. They are so serious and unaware of how ridiculous the concept of a man dressed as a Bat fighting crime is that their earnestness kinda becomes corny. Typified by the speech by Dent at the dinner table. In my opinion anyway.

You can't say that with all the jokes they poke at the concept in the films themselves. What makes it "real" is Bruce's conviction. Just like Cap, Thor and Tony.
 
Yeah..corny and full of CGI...with over 93% ratings on rottentomatoes...

I don't get you Nolanites...you do realize that these same audience that you kind of insulted, were also the same audience that made TDK a succes...and will likely make TDKR a success too..

I guess jealousy do strange things to some people brain...

Don't take what I say out of context. I never said it was a bad movie. I'm saying it is a totally different type of movie than TDKR. It is much more appealing to the general audience.
 
The Avengers was really funny, no doubt. Some great humor scenes. But the story was incredibly dull and generic. Making an easy to follow plot, combined with heavy use of CGI and great actors = mainstream audience field day. I always thought the Avengers would beat TDKR. It's more a postmodern film than pretty much anything else I've ever seen.

You can only have so many twist and turns in a story with as many main characters as The Avengers, it's been made pretty evident that The Avengers would be more character driven than story driven.

Characterization, dialogue, and interactions are just as important as a great story and I'm sure TDKR isn't going to touch TA in those areas.
 
I'm trying to have a rational, serious conversation with you, but I can't.
Good luck.

That was a joke. I am sorry it was so bad. I understand what you are saying, but I just don't agree. Films have depth.
 
I see what you did there. :D

But that's why Avengers is so popular. It's brining out the kid in everyone, grown adults included. It's just pure escapism. I imagine it's reminded the 40 year olds and up what it was like to first watch A New Hope in the cinema. That's what Avengers brings to the table.

You have read a batman comic before correct? If you answer yes, you should realize how absolutely childish and hypocritical you sound whilst bashing Nolan's movies. The avengers captures the spirit of its characters, same way Nolan captures the spirit of batman. Nothing pretentious or self important or whatever stupid buzzword you'd like to use about it.
 
I predict that certain fanatics crying will become overbearing in the days ahead. If only they could realize how ridiculous they all sound...:word:

This post screams fanatic in every way conceivable, to be honest.
 
That was a joke. I am sorry it was so bad. I understand what you are saying, but I just don't agree. Films have depth.

Is not a matter of agreeing or not. It's a fact. The story may have depth, but not the image itself.
 
It's technically not the same thing, especially considering that people here are going off of numbers while they had no numbers to gauge.

Oh and quite a few of the people that are saying that, are Batman/Nolan fans themselves so that says alot as well.

It is what we call covering your butt just in case. I have no idea how this year is going to end in terms of BO. All I know is that 2, count'em 2, Keira Knightley films are going to get wide releases this year and I will probably end up seeing them more then any other film release this year. :woot:
 
You can only have so many twist and turns in a story with as many main characters as The Avengers, it's been made pretty evident that The Avengers would be more character driven than story driven.

Characterization, dialogue, and interactions are just as important as a great story and I'm sure TDKR isn't going to touch TA in those areas.

No, because TDKR isn't bringing together 6 superheros with incredibly large and different personalities. I felt the Avengers, other than bringing together a bunch of heros, didn't do anything new. For a movie that was supposed to be incredibly ambitious, it wasn't very ambitious.
 
I love how it's almost a prerequisite on this board to make sure after you praise the avengers to make sure you go out of your way to get a dig in at Nolan or his movies.
 
Goodness that's a lot of money and well deserved. I still would like to know how it stacks up to the other top movies without 3d sales though.
 
You can't say that with all the jokes they poke at the concept in the films themselves. What makes it "real" is Bruce's conviction. Just like Cap, Thor and Tony.

There is no comedy or self awareness in Nolan's Bat movies.

You have read a batman comic before correct? If you answer yes, you should realize how absolutely childish and hypocritical you sound whilst bashing Nolan's movies. The avengers captures the spirit of its characters, same way Nolan captures the spirit of batman. Nothing pretentious or self important or whatever stupid buzzword you'd like to use about it.

I've been reading Batman since the 80s. Nolan's films to me, don't really capture the spirit of Batman. They are watered down versions of him to fit in a realistic, grounded setting. Batman isn't a realistic character, it's not realistic for a man of 30 or 40 to have dozens of PhDs, to be a master of multiple martial arts, to be an Olympic level athlete, to be a Sherlock Holmes esque detective and on top of all that, run a billion dollar corporation.

That is just impossible to happen in the real world. So Nolan's version is a toned down version. Which, in my opinion, takes away a lot of interesting aspects of the character.

But that isn't what my argument was. Fact is, Nolan's Bat movies are not escapism that makes adults feel like giddy kids watching Star Wars for the first time. Nolan's movies are about relatability to the real world, with themes about terrorism and the economy.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. But, those things are just not as universally appealing.
 
Don't take what I say out of context. I never said it was a bad movie. I'm saying it is a totally different type of movie than TDKR. It is much more appealing to the general audience.

I didn't take anything out of context. I was replying to your thinly veiled insult at the movie and it's audience:yay:
 
Next will come the people saying it's pathetic that Marvel had to combine six superheroes to make decent bank, or that making over $1bn is underperforming for this movie.

Batman is such legitimate movie making you can smell the authenticity and integrity of the director as you watch it :oldrazz:

I feel sorry for the regular bat fans
 
But then how does deep focus work if there is no depth?

Because the camera works as an eye, the camarographer makes you see what he/the director wants you to see. There's not real 3rd dimension. It's an illusion.
Is not really that hard to understand. Read. And not just Nolan, but read about the subject. Is common sense.
 
There is no comedy or self awareness in Nolan's Bat movies.



I've been reading Batman since the 80s. Nolan's films to me, don't really capture the spirit of Batman. They are watered down versions of him to fit in a realistic, grounded setting. Batman isn't a realistic character, it's not realistic for a man of 30 or 40 to have dozens of PhDs, to be a master of multiple martial arts, to be an Olympic level athlete, to be a Sherlock Holmes esque detective and on top of all that, run a billion dollar corporation.

That is just impossible to happen in the real world. So Nolan's version is a toned down version. Which, in my opinion, takes away a lot of interesting aspects of the character.

But that isn't what my argument was. Fact is, Nolan's Bat movies are not escapism that makes adults feel like giddy kids watching Star Wars for the first time. Nolan's movies are about relatability to the real world, with themes about terrorism and the economy.

I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that. But, those things are just not as universally appealing.

"Anyone who dresses up like a bat clearly has issues."

"You took my advice about theatricality a bit … literally."

"Like a submarine Mr. Wayne. Like a submarine."
 
You have read a batman comic before correct? If you answer yes, you should realize how absolutely childish and hypocritical you sound whilst bashing Nolan's movies. The avengers captures the spirit of its characters, same way Nolan captures the spirit of batman. Nothing pretentious or self important or whatever stupid buzzword you'd like to use about it.

I'm a huge Batman fan and there's no way any versed Batman fan would say that Nolan's Batman captures the spirit of Batman. Batman: Mask of Phantasm still holds the title as best Batman adaptation so far, and that was what, twenty years ago?

Do you want to see something that really captures the spirit of Batman and translates it to a screen? Look no further than Netflix and rent Batman: Mask of Phantasm. Now that's a brilliant (animated) Batman movie.

But never fear, after The Avengers, Warner will make sure that the reboot really captures the spirit of Batman and translate it to the big screen. The Avengers proved that you can embrace your comic book origins and still have a brilliant and profitable film, so the possibility of a Batman movie heavily influenced by the comics, Batman TAS and the Arkham Asylum games is now a real possibility. No more ashamed of his comic book roots for Batman, true believer! :woot:
 
None of this discussion has anything to do with Avengers box office; God I wish I was a mod right now.

I think we're looking at close to $500 M Dom, and $750 M Int for this film. I'm not quite sure it will catch Harry Potter due to Potter's insane near $1 Billion foreign, but it'll come close.
 
No, because TDKR isn't bringing together 6 superheros with incredibly large and different personalities. I felt the Avengers, other than bringing together a bunch of heros, didn't do anything new. For a movie that was supposed to be incredibly ambitious, it wasn't very ambitious.

Bringing together 6 super heroes with incredibly different personalities IS what was so ambitious about The Avengers not the story, while films like TDK/TDKR are the exact opposite.

Neither film is "less ambitious" than the other, they're just ambitious in two totally different ways.
 
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