The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 4

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ASM is the true dark horse this year as no one has any idea how it will do.

Yep. I still wish Sony had given it more breathing room from TDKR, because if it turns out to be a modest hit like BB, TDKR will end up pulling theatres away from it when it could use some room to create good legs, but we'll see. I really hope it does well because I like the look of it so far.
 
Yep. I still wish Sony had given it more breathing room from TDKR, because if it turns out to be a modest hit like BB, TDKR will end up pulling theatres away from it when it could use some room to create good legs, but we'll see. I really hope it does well because I like the look of it so far.


sony obviously have confidence in the product, if they didn't they would shift the movie. I think they figure they can go for the young/teen/family market whereas TDKR will corner the young adult/mature market.
 
sony obviously have confidence in the product, if they didn't they would shift the movie. I think they figure they can go for the young/teen/family market whereas TDKR will corner the young adult/mature market.

Yeah, I'm still hoping it does solid buisness. I mean, as much as I would like to see Spidey (and all the other properties) return to Marvel, I know the only way that would happen would be if this movie colossially flops. And even then, they'd probably have to have another big spidey movie flop to give up the rights after how much spidey made them in the past decade. And I really don't want to see one of my favorite characters have two horrible movies.
 
Yeah, I'm still hoping it does solid buisness. I mean, as much as I would like to see Spidey (and all the other properties) return to Marvel, I know the only way that would happen would be if this movie colossially flops. And even then, they'd probably have to have another big spidey movie flop to give up the rights after how much spidey made them in the past decade. And I really don't want to see one of my favorite characters have two horrible movies.


I just want to see great spidey movies, I couldn't care less who makes them. same goes for x-men.
 
I just want to see great spidey movies, I couldn't care less who makes them. same goes for x-men.

I do as well, but watching the Avengers really showed me how cool it could be to see superheroes together on film. And it would just be cool to have him be a part of the universe.

Though, not having them involved did make the attack on NY make more sense in this movie. They would have had a hard time justifiying with Spidey, FF4, and the X-men weren't out helpind defend NYC haha. Honestly, if Aliens even want to attack in the Marvel Universe, they should stay the heck out of NYC.
 
I do as well, but watching the Avengers really showed me how cool it could be to see superheroes together on film. And it would just be cool to have him be a part of the universe.

Though, not having them involved did make the attack on NY make more sense in this movie. They would have had a hard time justifiying with Spidey, FF4, and the X-men weren't out helpind defend NYC haha. Honestly, if Aliens even want to attack in the Marvel Universe, they should stay the heck out of NYC.

I enjoyed avengers as popcorn fluff (no offence to the avengers) I enjoyed the movie but the movies I am drawn to are character pieces where the character evolves over the course of the movie and is different by the end of the movie, so I would rather certain heroes remain solo.
 
I enjoyed avengers as popcorn fluff (no offence to the avengers) I enjoyed the movie but the movies I am drawn to are character pieces where the character evolves over the course of the movie and is different by the end of the movie, so I would rather certain heroes remain solo.

That's why I enjoyed the stand alone films and then the big team up. And I do think evey character changed by the end of the story, they didn't have a massive character change, but they definitely evolved.

But again, Avengers is the Raiders of Superhero films. Does Indy change much in ROTLA? Not a whole lot. Do I think it's one of the best films ever made? You're damn right I do. It's incredibly fun. And that's what the Avengers is. Pure fun.
 
That's why I enjoyed the stand alone films and then the big team up. And I do think evey character changed by the end of the story, they didn't have a massive character change, but they definitely evolved.

But again, Avengers is the Raiders of Superhero films. Does Indy change much in ROTLA? Not a whole lot. Do I think it's one of the best films ever made? You're damn right I do. It's incredibly fun. And that's what the Avengers is. Pure fun.

indy does change. at the end of the movie he is convinced by the power of the ark.
 
I enjoyed avengers as popcorn fluff (no offence to the avengers) I enjoyed the movie but the movies I am drawn to are character pieces where the character evolves over the course of the movie and is different by the end of the movie, so I would rather certain heroes remain solo.

Well, Iron Man, Thor, and Cap all have their solo movies before and after TA, so you can have your cake and eat it too in MCU.
 
I enjoyed avengers as popcorn fluff (no offence to the avengers) I enjoyed the movie but the movies I am drawn to are character pieces where the character evolves over the course of the movie and is different by the end of the movie, so I would rather certain heroes remain solo.

Its more a character piece than all the solo movies combined. They all have changed at end of the movie. I dont like fluff. Popcorn fluff, im alergic. I dont watch them. I dont get the "leave your brain at the door and have fun." I love my brain; good or bad, its the one i got. When i have fun, i have fun with my brain.
 
indy does change. at the end of the movie he is convinced by the power of the ark.

Which is about as much change as Tony, Cap, and Thor all go through in the Avengers. Again, not a nock on the film at all, because they're not supposed to be films that delve deep into the characters psyche. They're supposed to be fun.
 
Ultimately, this film proved that "dark" isn't THE direction to go for great summer blockbusters. And it isn't the only direction, proven rightfully with perfect execution.

People love to have fun at the theater and Avengers captured that pure summer fun, but memorable summer fun...like the old Spielberg/Lucas summer films did decades ago.
 
Its more a character piece than all the solo movies combined. They all have changed at end of the movie. I dont like fluff. Popcorn fluff, im alergic. I dont watch them. I dont get the "leave your brain at the door and have fun." I love my brain; good or bad, its the one i got. When i have fun, i have fun with my brain.

I wouldn't say that. The big 4 in Avengers all clearly had an arc they went through, but I'd still give IM1 the prize for most character development out of the marvel films. TA definitely had development, but they didn't have an entire film to devote to the leads like in their solo films. Again, I'd compare it to Indy. Indy goes through an arc in ROTLA, but it's not a huge change. Still an arc though.
 
Which is about as much change as Tony, Cap, and Thor all go through in the Avengers. Again, not a nock on the film at all, because they're not supposed to be films that delve deep into the characters psyche. They're supposed to be fun.

Banner becomes the hero he always wanted to be accepting himself. Captain america accepts that he has a place in this world after all. Tony Stark learns to be a team member and therefore reconcile his innate contradiction between the man that makes profound bonds with people around him and the loner. Thor ends up putting this world in prrrogative over his brother even when he has not entirely given up on him. Black Widow shows to be a more emotional and sincere woman than we could hace anticipated, plus she learns to fight her fear for Hulk. Hawkeye is looking for redemption.

Some are most complex than others, Hawkeye is more "maybe next time" than anything else, but every hero has a journey, very man and woman demons to beat, and in the end they have all gone trough thei inner demons and beaten them.

Its not Bergman, but it doesnt need to be. But saying that hey dont evolve, or change, or are analised as characters, i dont agree with. It goes deep, though. More than usual.
 
I wouldn't say that. The big 4 in Avengers all clearly had an arc they went through, but I'd still give IM1 the prize for most character development out of the marvel films. TA definitely had development, but they didn't have an entire film to devote to the leads like in their solo films. Again, I'd compare it to Indy. Indy goes through an arc in ROTLA, but it's not a huge change. Still an arc though.

Iron Man is very shallow. TA isnt. It doesnt really do much for you if you dedicate a lot of time to your character... to say little. Iron Man was mostly RDJ being great and having great chemistry with Pepper. The movie itself was nice, but nothing special. Captain had no third act that hel d istelf. Nice movie, but very messy at the end. Thor, i liked too, but the psychology and drama was quite simple and it needed development in all areas. Just my opinion, mind you; i know Iron Man is held in high regard here... i just disagree. No biggie. :cwink:

TA plays in another laegue; its far more nuanced, detailed and organic that any marvel movie i have seen. And far better characcerized.

Indy by the way doesnt change much, but there is a lot going on there. A dual father/son relationship between the deceased Ravenwood and the dark side Bellocq. For a long time, Indy is in the grey area between a scavenger and an archeologist. When Belocq tells him that "a little push and you would be like me" he is not wrong. There is a lot of fighting to proove he is one of the good one; fighting the nazis and finding the ark is more of a morel quarry and a search od purpose and identity than it looks in the surface.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is not Persona, or a Dreyer movie. BUt its not just fun fun action, being it also very fun and having allmost nonstop action itself, there is quite a lot of meat there. Just as with TA.
 
SO how much more can avengers make in the foreign markets it looks like the numbers seem to be dying down
 
Iron Man is very shallow. TA isnt. It doesnt really do much for you if you dedicate a lot of time to your character... to say little. Iron Man was mostly RDJ being great and having great chemistry with Pepper. The movie itself was nice, but nothing special. Captain had no third act that hel d istelf. Nice movie, but very messy at the end. Thor, i liked too, but the psychology and drama was quite simple and it needed development in all areas. Just my opinion, mind you; i know Iron Man is held in high regard here... i just disagree. No biggie. :cwink:

TA plays in another laegue; its far more nuanced, detailed and organic that any marvel movie i have seen. And far better characcerized.

Indy by the way doesnt change much, but there is a lot going on there. A dual father/son relationship between the deceased Ravenwood and the dark side Bellocq. For a long time, Indy is in the grey area between a scavenger and an archeologist. When Belocq tells him that "a little push and you would be like me" he is not wrong. There is a lot of fighting to proove he is one of the good one; fighting the nazis and finding the ark is more of a morel quarry and a search od purpose and identity than it looks in the surface.

Raiders of the Lost Ark is not Persona, or a Dreyer movie. BUt its not just fun fun action, being it also very fun and having allmost nonstop action itself, there is quite a lot of meat there. Just as with TA.

I don't agree that Avengers is any less shallow then IM. I think Tony goes through a bigger change in IM, but again, he has an entire movie just to himself. But I do agree with your ending sentiments that TA and ROTLA are fun movies that still have substance. They're not supposed to be in-depth characters sudies. They're extremely fun flicks with a solid story. And that's all I want them to be. I think the "a lot going on under the surface." is a good way to put it. For example 12 Angry Men is a great film. Do many of the characters necessarily change all that much? It's debateable depending on the play/film you see, but they don't necessarily need to change all that much. The drama is focused on the intereactions between these very different personalities. That's what TA does.
 
A lot of my friends and majority of people, including myself, said the story is simple.

But after some pondering, would it be necessary to think that the real story is the coming together of these powerful egos whom must set aside their differences to fight for the safety of the world. It's still not that deep on the surface, but that sounds like a better summary than...

Oh, Loki has an army ready to destroy Earth and the Avengers must stop them!
 
A lot of my friends and majority of people, including myself, said the story is simple.

But after some pondering, would it be necessary to think that the real story is the coming together of these powerful egos whom must set aside their differences to fight for the safety of the world. It's still not that deep on the surface, but that sounds like a better summary than...

Oh, Loki has an army ready to destroy Earth and the Avengers must stop them!

The story, to me at least, is about a group of very different conflicting individuals learning to respect one another and work together. The driving force behind this just happens to be an alien invasion incited by a Norse god.
 
Damn, this sucks. I wasn't expecting such a HUGE drop today. There goes pretty much any chance of having a 100 million 2nd weekend, I bet it doesn't even reach 85 million this weekend. Awful drop.
 
The Hollywood Reporter

Box Office Preview: 'Avengers' Passing $800 Million Worldwide, Could Hit $1 Billion By Sunday

Disney and Marvel Studios' The Avengers is expected to cross the $800 million mark sometime on Thursday, putting it on course to hit $1 billion in global grosses by Sunday or early next week.

No film besides James Cameron's Avatar has reached $1 billion so quickly. Avatar hit the milestone in 17 days; Avengers, directed by Joss Whedon, could hit it in 10 days (Sunday).

Through Wednesday, the superhero tentpole had grossed $775.4 million worldwide, including a Wednesday take of $31.2 million. Last weekend, it scored the biggest domestic debut of all time in earning $207.4 million.
 
Damn, this sucks. I wasn't expecting such a HUGE drop today. There goes pretty much any chance of having a 100 million 2nd weekend, I bet it doesn't even reach 85 million this weekend. Awful drop.

Are you serious? Thor had the same drop on Wed last year and it had a lower weekend drop than IM1.
 
Damn, this sucks. I wasn't expecting such a HUGE drop today. There goes pretty much any chance of having a 100 million 2nd weekend, I bet it doesn't even reach 85 million this weekend. Awful drop.
13 Million an awful drop?
Wasnt Monday about 19 million?
Nothing but good box office news about The Avengers from where I stand .
 
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