The Relationship Thread: Because Superhero Forums are Full of Sexperts! - - - - - - - - - Part 28

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I officially don't understand women...There is a lady on POF who put me down as a "like to meet"
Quite independently I added her as the same a couple of days later. POF informs me of the mutual match, I think "that's nice, I'll send her a message."
She doesn't respond.
I'm now somewhat confused... Anyone got any thoughts on this?
 
I officially don't understand women...There is a lady on POF who put me down as a "like to meet"
Quite independently I added her as the same a couple of days later. POF informs me of the mutual match, I think "that's nice, I'll send her a message."
She doesn't respond.
I'm now somewhat confused... Anyone got any thoughts on this?
Met someone else, got swamped with work, her mother got into a car accident....doesn't necessarily have to do with you, you know. :oldrazz:
 
Okay, okay... I'm in danger of becoming Nell! :cwink:
We'll see though... :woot:

On a serious note, if someone is gracious enough to send me a message. Not just on a dating site, but generally. I'll always aim to respond as soon as possible.
Even if the response is to say I'm too busy to give a proper reply right now.
 
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One day, Anita will come here and alert us that Nell has a gf and had the sex.
 
Some many scenarios - so little time. :p

Erz should be privy to some of this information, and I won't bore you guys with too many details. . .

Met a girl. She acted aloof. We talked/dated for about a month - then radio silence.

I've learned through life lessons and watching her that she wasn't quite "done" with me, so we started again. . . so I think.

The aloof has happened again.

We dated between Thanksgiving and Christmas, with her ending it with "I think this was a mistake."

I pouted - sure. Possibly even noticeable - it was noticeable. :eek: Then I decided to move on. All of this happened between Christmas and the first week of January.

She noticed that I moved on - in my own way. I began to chat with her again, just not caring of an outcome. Complimented her dress, referred to her as "babe, sweety," etc. Basically dropped little hints of "I'm still into you."

After a few weeks of this, I noticed she would reciprocate. I pondered, wondered, what have you. Then I sought out female advice. Each lady said "she's still into you - go for it."

So I did. She was sick one day, and wanted to go but didn't want to ask. I'm not directly over her, yet have the authority to send her home. So I kneeled down, grabbed her hand, looked into her eyes, kissed her on the forehead and said "I'll take care of it."

As I walked away, I realized I may have over-stepped. So I turned to her and apologized. She smile and said "I get the picture."

From that point on, I kept up the flirting. As did she. Obviously, the flirting amounted to noticeable "I still care about you." So I dove in again. We went out for drinks that night.

The next night I stayed at her place.

This is where I get confused.

All of the re-kindling. All of the flirting. Staying at her place(no sex, by the way). It feels like she's looking for a way to back off. . . again.

Two times we've had little arguments about miscommunication. Both times, I spearheaded the conversation and told her I didn't want to argue over pity items and potentially lose what we've started again.

The first argument was the night I stayed over. We talked during my ride home and she misunderstood what I was saying - admittedly. Once I realized what was going on, I went over there to hold her and re-affirm that I was not upset with her, etc, etc. My point - she just simply misunderstood.

Last night was similar. She misunderstood - almost like she's trying to find flaws, to pre-end a budding relationship.

She thought I was upset for "blowing me off." That wasn't the case. I called her back and told her that I was not upset, that I understand she's busy, that I need for her to believe that I want her to have her space, that we will take it slow, etc.

She calmed down and we ended with a happy "good night."

I'm not looking for answers - just talking it out. Possibly, I've answered myself in writing "she's trying to find flaws." Maybe she's looking for the other shoe to drop. Her head is on the swivel, because of previous relationships. I don't know.

What I do know - is I've told her, clearly, that I want to take it slow, that we owe it to ourselves to take it slow, to prove it to others and each other that ALL relationships do not need to be rushed, or start out physically.

I've been sober for several months, so drowning out frustrations and worries are no longer an issue. However, I've learned that issue are more clear and I'm able to head them on - while knowing I will be more keen and sensitive to each issue(focus on sensitive).

I'm sure this is garble to most. I think I'm just typing to type. To check myself. To always think through and think positive.
 
Some many scenarios - so little time. :p

Erz should be privy to some of this information, and I won't bore you guys with too many details. . .

Met a girl. She acted aloof. We talked/dated for about a month - then radio silence.

I've learned through life lessons and watching her that she wasn't quite "done" with me, so we started again. . . so I think.

The aloof has happened again.

We dated between Thanksgiving and Christmas, with her ending it with "I think this was a mistake."

I pouted - sure. Possibly even noticeable - it was noticeable. :eek: Then I decided to move on. All of this happened between Christmas and the first week of January.

She noticed that I moved on - in my own way. I began to chat with her again, just not caring of an outcome. Complimented her dress, referred to her as "babe, sweety," etc. Basically dropped little hints of "I'm still into you."

After a few weeks of this, I noticed she would reciprocate. I pondered, wondered, what have you. Then I sought out female advice. Each lady said "she's still into you - go for it."

So I did. She was sick one day, and wanted to go but didn't want to ask. I'm not directly over her, yet have the authority to send her home. So I kneeled down, grabbed her hand, looked into her eyes, kissed her on the forehead and said "I'll take care of it."

As I walked away, I realized I may have over-stepped. So I turned to her and apologized. She smile and said "I get the picture."

From that point on, I kept up the flirting. As did she. Obviously, the flirting amounted to noticeable "I still care about you." So I dove in again. We went out for drinks that night.

The next night I stayed at her place.

This is where I get confused.

All of the re-kindling. All of the flirting. Staying at her place(no sex, by the way). It feels like she's looking for a way to back off. . . again.

Two times we've had little arguments about miscommunication. Both times, I spearheaded the conversation and told her I didn't want to argue over pity items and potentially lose what we've started again.

The first argument was the night I stayed over. We talked during my ride home and she misunderstood what I was saying - admittedly. Once I realized what was going on, I went over there to hold her and re-affirm that I was not upset with her, etc, etc. My point - she just simply misunderstood.

Last night was similar. She misunderstood - almost like she's trying to find flaws, to pre-end a budding relationship.

She thought I was upset for "blowing me off." That wasn't the case. I called her back and told her that I was not upset, that I understand she's busy, that I need for her to believe that I want her to have her space, that we will take it slow, etc.

She calmed down and we ended with a happy "good night."

I'm not looking for answers - just talking it out. Possibly, I've answered myself in writing "she's trying to find flaws." Maybe she's looking for the other shoe to drop. Her head is on the swivel, because of previous relationships. I don't know.

What I do know - is I've told her, clearly, that I want to take it slow, that we owe it to ourselves to take it slow, to prove it to others and each other that ALL relationships do not need to be rushed, or start out physically.

I've been sober for several months, so drowning out frustrations and worries are no longer an issue. However, I've learned that issue are more clear and I'm able to head them on - while knowing I will be more keen and sensitive to each issue(focus on sensitive).

I'm sure this is garble to most. I think I'm just typing to type. To check myself. To always think through and think positive.
This is what I'm reading from the scenario as well. She's trying to find reasons not to be in a relationship with you. It's different from being nervous about not taking it too fast, and it's different than just observing that someone has flaws. This is a serious trust issue (with you and with herself), that will make the relationship a complete non-starter. There is no relationship if there is no trust.

And only she can decide when she's going to trust her own decisions, and let you in or let you go. If you want to wait and just accept her as she is (knowing she might never fully commit), that's up to you.
 
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This is what I'm reading from the scenario as well. She's trying to find reasons not to be in a relationship with you. It's different from being nervous about not taking it too fast. This is a serious trust issue (with you and with herself), that will make the relationship a complete non-starter. There is no relationship if there is no trust.

And only she can decide when she's going to trust her own decisions, and let you in or let you go. If you want to wait and just accept her as she is (knowing she might never trust you fully), that's up to you.

I agree. However, being a beautiful lady, riddle me this: if "flaws" were found in the first try, why open up for a second round?

I'm trying to stay positive, because there can be so many different answers to just one question.

Maybe the last guy burned her. Maybe she thinks I'm too good to be true - hence the looking for flaws. Maybe she does just want to take it slow. Maybe she needs to just play games. Dunno.


One thing she said early on - the first round - was that she was looking for her best friend. That really hit home with me. Being in bad relationships, mainly because of booze, I found myself going 0 to boyfriend too often. I also found myself turning sex buddies into mates, when I should have just taken it for what it was.

My point - I reiterated to her last night that I wanted a best friend as well. That I refused to get in my own way again. And that I was not going to lose her over pity items. This seemed to make her happy. When I used the analogy of how I treat my male friends to her, she giggled and said "I hope you don't kiss them like you kiss me."

That made me believe that she wants that. That she is taking it slow. That she is crazy about me. Just one day at a time.

I ended the conversation with "like my best friends, I don't need to be affirmed every day. We don't need to call, text, etc. We both know we are crazy about each other, and when the time is right, we will make time for one another."

This also pleased her. Hence we ended the conversation with "a happy goodnight."
 
You've had a gf and the sex. :huh:

This is true...
But the two long term relationships I have had turned out to be toxic. As much my fault I might add.


So this time I am being very careful and perhaps, one may say, picky.
But at this stage in my life, if I can't get what I want. Then, frankly, I'm happy to be single for the remainder of my life...
 
Hahah... Dr. Frasier "Anita" Crane.

All this talk of things being complicated with complete uncertainty makes me sort've glad I'm single. Now I just need a house in the woods with a dog instead of a townhouse stuck between people and I'm good to go.
 
I officially don't understand women...There is a lady on POF who put me down as a "like to meet"
Quite independently I added her as the same a couple of days later. POF informs me of the mutual match, I think "that's nice, I'll send her a message."
She doesn't respond.
I'm now somewhat confused... Anyone got any thoughts on this?

Women are very odd. I have had sever women who have liked me on sever different sits yet never message me. If you like what you see why not just message me? I have also messaged a few that liked me and yet they didn't respond. If you like what you see why would you not respond to my message?
 
I agree. However, being a beautiful lady, riddle me this: if "flaws" were found in the first try, why open up for a second round?

I'm trying to stay positive, because there can be so many different answers to just one question.

Maybe the last guy burned her. Maybe she thinks I'm too good to be true - hence the looking for flaws. Maybe she does just want to take it slow. Maybe she needs to just play games. Dunno.
The simple answer I can see, is that she doesn't trust herself or the decisions she makes. Which is why she still flirts and dates you when she's trying to look for flaws. She's trying to decide if this is as good as it gets, or whether she can get better, but unfortunately the result is that you get strung along while she wiffle waffles.

I have a friend like this. She relegates herself to crap because she isn't sure she can get better, but then emotionally cannot handle the crap so she just leaves. She's 35, attractive (IMO much more attractive than me), but has never had a bf or held down a job for more than 9 months. It's gotten so bad that she cannot trust herself with any personal decision she makes. She wiffle waffles on everything. She has me looking over everything, which I do because I try to apply and explain my logical reasoning, but she's emotionally fragile and unsure so it simply isn't easy for her.

So until your girl figures that out for herself, you're subject to her whims. (And it literally can be a whim. My friend flip-flops on whether to quit her current job that's making her miserable, from hour to hour...) It isn't necessarily that she's stringing you along because she just wants attention or wants to hurt you, but the result is the same - she won't be able to commit to you.
 
Women are very odd. I have had sever women who have liked me on sever different sits yet never message me. If you like what you see why not just message me? I have also messaged a few that liked me and yet they didn't respond. If you like what you see why would you not respond to my message?

Exactly my thoughts, exactly... But I have heard that some guys can get really nasty if they receive a negative message from a lady. So perhaps they err on the far side of caution.
Me? I'd rather get something than nothing even if it was not what I wanted to hear. At least then there is no doubt and you know where you stand.

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A lady I expressed interest in on Zoosk actually replied to me and she essentially said, thanks, but no thanks. Which was fine. I replied back saying "No problem, good luck with your search."
 
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The simple answer I can see, is that she doesn't trust herself or the decisions she makes. Which is why she still flirts and dates you when she's trying to look for flaws. She's trying to decide if this is as good as it gets, or whether she can get better, but unfortunately the result is that you get strung along while she wiffle waffles.

I have a friend like this. She relegates herself to crap because she isn't sure she can get better, but then emotionally cannot handle the crap so she just leaves. She's 35, attractive (IMO much more attractive than me), but has never had a bf or held down a job for more than 9 months. It's gotten so bad that she cannot trust herself with any personal decision she makes. She wiffle waffles on everything. She has me looking over everything, which I do because I try to apply and explain my logical reasoning, but she's emotionally fragile and unsure so it simply isn't easy for her.

So until your girl figures that out for herself, you're subject to her whims. (And it literally can be a whim. My friend flip-flops on whether to quit her current job that's making her miserable, from hour to hour...) It isn't necessarily that she's stringing you along because she just wants attention or wants to hurt you, but the result is the same - she won't be able to commit to you.

I appreciate the replies - and the example. However, this may not be the case. And why I wonder from time to time. She has had long term relationships. She's finished her degree, and law school, passed the bar, and is now looking for a big-girl-job.

So commitment is not the issue. So I assume. Conversely, I think you and I are coming to the same terms, with different verbiage.

I've had the feeling of - as you put it - 'waiting/looking for something better,' from time to time. But little things have happened between us to say otherwise.

For example, before we started again, I walked passed her as she was ending a text/email. Once finished, she quickly closed the app and turned her phone face down. Keep in mind, this was during the second round and we haven't re-established yet - was just flirting. I said to her, jokingly, "I wasn't planning on looking over your shoulder. " She laughed and said "I didn't even see you coming - that is just a privacy habit."

As I walked away, she softly said to me "I'm not hiding anything from you, Jason." To which I replied, "I know."

She's made efforts to try, to act and not re-act. Yet I feel - like you - she struggles with some demon that I'm not aware of. As we both agree, last guy burned her, waiting for the better guy, I'm just for the here and now, plan b, etc.

Those are all issues I've dealt with in the past, with previous relationships. As you say, I can take it for what its worth and see. . full well knowing the outcome may not be in my favor.

Moreover, I'm just typing to type. Thinking through the process, respecting and believing in all that we've said to one another: take it slow, one day at a time, no strings, don't rush, etc.

A positive attitude goes a long way - she's even admitted that is one of her attractions to me. If I rush, it will push her away. If I question - anything - she will not be as trusting in the day to day.

My stance, as of late, is to take this one day at a time. I know you don't really know me, yet as a human, you concern yourself with not wanting me to be pulled about emotionally. Thank you. Others carry the same concern.

Yet when we are together, we are completely comfortable, as if we've dated for years. I can't get in my own way again and be the butthole that questions too much, pushes, over-reacts, etc.

If I tell her, especially since it is still early and there is no 'title,' "I'll see you when I see you, text when we text, chat we when chat," etc - then I have to mean it, believe in it, and do as I say.

However, to your concern, I will not let this go on forever. This is the second go-around. Both times, she begins happy and a little heavy, then she reverts back to 'I don't have time.' That's her issue - not mine. She's a big girl. She knows what she is getting into. I'm not giving it a number, or a date, but if I ask to hang out over x amount of times and I get an excuse - I will not ask why; I will not complain; I will not scratch my head(too much), in wondering. I'll just back down. Gracefully.

Again, she is busy. And she seems to agree that she wants to take it slow. Possibly this is new to both of us. Possibly she is just playing games. But yesterday is called the past for a reason, as well as tomorrow called the future. Today is a present, all I have is to live in it as best I can. All I have is control over me.
 
I think if she wants to make you a priority she can.

You're both professionals and should be able to balance a social life. There has to be a healthy give and take and one person shouldn't be doing the primarily the heavy lifting.

How long have you 2 been seeing each other, the first time and then this time.
 
I think if she wants to make you a priority she can.

You're both professionals and should be able to balance a social life. There has to be a healthy give and take and one person shouldn't be doing the primarily the heavy lifting.

How long have you 2 been seeing each other, the first time and then this time.

I'll be specific:

We, first, started around the end of November. Things got shaky around the three/four week marker - Christmas. I assumed she just got cold feet. I learned that my stress level concerned her. She wasn't willing to fight for a relationship that was that stressful, early on.

I backed off after she told me that. Bluntly, I feel that is a good answer, not an excuse. Stress - un-needed stress - isn't cool.

The second time just happened. After Christmas, when I asked off, I just went back to being myself. I noticed the stress, and friends pointed it out as well. she WAS NOT the main stress level. I've told her this.

I took a look at myself, said f-it to the stress, and around the second week of January I noticed she began to lighten up and flirt again.

This goes back to my post from last night, when I kissed her on her forehead the day she wasn't feeling well. That opened the door again.

So, as of last Wednesday, I took the leap and we went out for drinks. Well, she drank a few, I had tonic. :p

The next night I stayed over at her place.

So technically, we've been back at it, openly, for a week. I know you're thinking "it's still early on, little buddy. Just be patient."

But the miscommunication concerns me. As Ani points out, its as if she looking for ways to break it off. But why? Why enter in again, just to look for the same reasons she left in the first place?

Both times we had an argument about miscommunication, she's realized she did so and back down. Both times ended well. The first, I stayed at her place. The second was the "best friend" analogy to which she replied "I hope you don't kiss them like you kiss me."

All of this screams - "just take it slow" - in my opinon. Again, I'm just typing to type. There is something about her that is making me check myself and be the better person. I've screwed up plenty of relationships. I refuse to be stupid and selfish again.
 
I guess that just means how long is taking it slow will be sufficient for you.
 
I guess that just means how long is taking it slow will be sufficient for you.

Too true.

I've noticed she will make time to go out with friends. She talks of staying up late watching Netflix, etc. So I know she has time - time for things she wants.

No lady wants a guy that points out those things - especially this early on: "you went out with your friends last night. . . what about me?" Etc.

However, I'm not dumb. I won't be taken advantage of.

The other night I was leaving downtown, she lives in Midtown. She said she was having a drink, then heading to bed. She was at the bar below her building. I asked if I could join her. She replied "that not a good idea." But she checked herself and replied with "I'll end up staying up late, talking to you. . I've to be up at 6:30."

Valid reasoning.

I asked for a raincheck, asked her out for dinner the following evening after we got off work. She replied "possibly."

I may have seemed frustrated to her, yet I wasn't. I just replied "if you don't want to just say it. I'll understand."

We ended the conversation abruptly, then I was frustrated. She text a few moments later with "that was unnecessary."

I called her right back. She was upset because she ASSUMED I was mad for her not making time. I explained I was not mad at the 'time,' I was concerned for the assumptions. Thats when the best friend talk came into play. I explained to her that we would make time. I know she would, as she knew I would. That rushing isn't the answer. Respect and caring about one another is.

Again - this pleased her.

All that to say to you, yes. . . if I get excuse upon excuse, I will bow out. No need to whine and ask "but why did you come back if you didn't want to start again anyway?"

Nope!! It's early on. Who knows what time she will make. But if I notice she makes time and again for friends, drinks, late night netflix, and still plays me off. . . I have my answer.
 
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I think the issue here is where/when does it go from her being cautious to you being strung along and essentially being used.

I'm all for being receptive to your partners feelings and needs, but if there is little to zero reciprocation, that is not something which anyone should have to put up with for any lengthy period of time.

However, it sounds as if you are aware of this. So good luck to you sir...
 
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