The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 143

[Mad Love]

lol nice

 

[The Guard]

The call and response dialogue was particularly lazy in this movie, wasn't it?

 

[Anno_Domini]

Not really.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm too lazy to actually respond to that seriously.

 

[shauner111]

....

 

[Brain Damage]

The call and response dialogue was particularly lazy in this movie, wasn't it?

To be perfectly honest, there was a lot of this script that felt like a first draft.

A bunch of it you might not think twice about because the performances all do such a good job of selling the material, but when I sat down to read the script I was actually kinda shocked by how uninspired a lot of the dialogue feels.

 

[ThePhantasm]

I thought the dialogue was the weakest in the trilogy in TDKR. It has a feeling in places of a monster script that got out of control. They really should have split it into two films to make it more manageable.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I just got done rewatching the Prestige again yesterday, and the dialogue is perfectly adequate. Sure, you won't find Coen Bros. level of wit on display but it's very much listenable. Seeing as that was also a Nolan/Nolan script, I often wonder why the dialogue in their Bat films couldn't be as decent. Perhaps Nolan found it acceptable to dumb down the dialogue because it was a Batman/summer film?

 

[BatLobster]

I think there is some level of that, yeah. In cinematic terms, you're almost dealing in an entirely different language when you do a big blockbuster.

I mean, some of the Star Wars (the original trilogy) is atrocious on paper, but somehow it just works in that context.

And that's the luxury Nolan has as a filmmaker now...he knows he can get the highest quality actors to put a whole new layer of polish on his material. I mean, if you read The Joker's dialogue in the TDK script...a lot of it seems very flat. It's the deeper ideas and concepts that the Nolans fuel their story engines with that keep the actors inspired and delivering at such a high level. That, and he has a real knack for casting and working with actors.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I found the dialogue in the original trilogy perfectly listenable and the actors delivered them to the best of their potential. There might've been a few stinkers but nothing as bad as "fear" speak in Batman Begins or a lot of Rises.

 

[BatLobster]

The Star Wars dialogue just looks different on paper is all I'm saying. As Harrison Ford famously said, "George you can type this sh** but you sure as hell can't say it."

The fear thing was a bit overwrought in Begins, but I don't really have a problem with the Rises dialogue for the most part. All 3 films have a few stinkers but there are a lot of awesomely quotable lines especially in TDK and Rises. Particularly from the villains.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

there are a lot of awesomely quotable lines especially in TDK and Rises. Particularly from the villains.

THis is what makes all this so weird. It would've been one thing if the whole movie was badly written. But you have absolute gold in one scene and absolute turd in another. It's so inconsistent.

 

[BatLobster]

I guess I see what you mean. I suppose maybe it's a side effect of trying to have the movie play as both low brow/high brow at the same time. It's a tricky balance for sure, one I think TDK handled the best when it came to the dialogue.

 

[batbax]

The call and response dialogue was particularly lazy in this movie, wasn't it?

Would've been so much better if they sing their lines. Now THAT is real batman yo.

 

[The Joker]

Would've been so much better if they sing their lines. Now THAT is real batman yo.

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[The Guard]

I'm serious, though. As "call and response" dialogue goes, having an actor repeat something that was said earlier in the movie...there simply wasn't the emotional impact in this film with that kind of thing like there was in the other two. The actual placement of that type of dialogue was just kind of lazily handled, with the exception of "I know who he was. He was The Batman."

The whole "You have my permission to die" bit, was just kind of tossed in there. It's like the writers realized "Crap, if Batman doesn't say this at the end of all these 'Where's the detonator?'s, we won't be able to put this line in again."

It had none of the impact of the admittedly cheesy "It's not who I am underneath" line, or Alfred's "Nevah", or "You either die a hero, etc".

It's like they ran out of stuff for characters to say, so they reverted to what they do best: having characters echo other characters, but they did it kind of randomly. In general, it felt really tacked on and unimportant to the characters and the plot. I think in part it's because the writers in this series have tended to use this type of dialogue for "lessons" the characters have learned, but there weren't really any lessons learned this time around that involved it.

 

[Brain Damage]

"I know who he was. He was The Batman" is one of my favorite lines in the trilogy.

 

[JackWhite]

Ah, c'mon. How can you not like Batman getting back at Bane with his own "permission to die" taunt. I think that's blatant nitpicking there.

I remember before Rises came out, most here were wondering what Batman's bad ass retort to Bane would be when he defeated him.

 

[Kane52630]

It's the "awww sh**" moment for me. I loved it.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The dialogue was perfectly fine

 

[JackWhite]

It's the "awww sh**" moment for me. I loved it.

I remember when Batman said it; I nearly threw a kick while in my seat at the theater.

 

[BatLobster]

I remember when Batman said it; I nearly threw a kick while in my seat at the theater.

Me too, haha. My buddy and I just looked at each other with full understanding that we were both mentally saying, "That ruled".

 

[The Joker]

I suppose it was better than the awful "No, I came back to stop you" line.

 

[Brain Damage]

I suppose it was better than the awful "No, I came back to stop you" line.

Oh Jesus, I had forgotten about that.

 

[Travesty]

I suppose it was better than the awful "No, I came back to stop you" line.

But was it better than "WURZZZZ DA TRIGGAR?!?! URRRRZZ WURDNT GURV IT TO A NURMURL SURDURZZIN!! WURRRZZZZ DA TRIGGGAR?!?!"?