The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 144

[FlawlessVictory]

http://whatculture.com/film/10-questionable-criticisms-of-the-dark-knight-rises.php

10. Alfred Would NEVAH Give Up on Bruce
9. Talia Nullified Bane
8. All Gotham Cops Were Foolishly Trapped Underground
7. The Case of the Disappearing Limp
6. Bruce Would Never Do THAT To Alfred
5. John Blake Outsmarted Jim Gordon
4. Bruce Wayne Never Wanted Copycats
3. Bruce Would Not Have Quit Over Rachel’s Death
2. How Did Bruce Get Back to Gotham?
1. Bruce Wayne Would NEVER Retire!

Thanks for the article, great read. As for the "disappearing limp", I always thought the same as the author did of that article. That the brace was never removed at any point. Why would Bane do so? The point was to create despair, and can't do so without some hope. Had he taken the brace off Bruce would have never had a chance to attempt that climb.

I also like how the article tackles the point of people saying Bruce would NEVER retire. The point of Nolan's Batman was to be a symbol of hope and inspire others to be protectors as well. Just look at the toll that was taken on his body from the short amount of time he was Batman. I'm glad the movies showed this damage to him and showed that he can't keep doing this for such an extended amount of time, one's body just can't allow it. The logical thing was to inspire and pass the torch.

The one thing I don't like still though is all the cops being trapped. Just seems ridiculous that essentially every cop would be sent down there. Aside from that though, this movie and the trilogy as a whole is amazing.

 

[JackWhite]

The knee brace thing never bothered me. Even if Bane took the brace off it's totally believable that Tom Conti's character could have fixed it. And didn't Batman kick Bane through the City Hall doors with the weakened leg that had the brace?

It would have been cool if during Bane's conversation with Bruce in the pit; if Bane rolled up Bruce's pants leg to reveal the brace and gave a kind of smirk reaction with his eyes. But yeah, never was an issue with me.

 

[georgec]

I always viewed the brace as being just as much mental as physical.

Bruce's spirit is broken after having to give up the energy project 5 years after realizing that he couldn't be the hero he wanted to be for Gotham.

So in his three years of being a recluse, his lack of physical activity leads to complications such as the knee. But having a knee problem is all the more reason for Bruce to not venture outside.

 

[JAK®]

I think the issue with the bad knee is that it's established that he has it, and then he puts on a brace and it's suddenly fixed and not brought up for the rest of the movie. If it had more significance than that then the realism of it could be ignored. But as it is the movie, it's a confusing detail that raises some unanswered questions.

 

[Anno_Domini]

The knee brace thing never bothered me. Even if Bane took the brace off it's totally believable that Tom Conti's character could have fixed it. And didn't Batman kick Bane through the City Hall doors with the weakened leg that had the brace?

It would have been cool if during Bane's conversation with Bruce in the pit; if Bane rolled up Bruce's pants leg to reveal the brace and gave a kind of smirk reaction with his eyes. But yeah, never was an issue with me.

All the time he uses his legs at Bane, Bruce is using the good leg. When he kicks Bane into City Hall, when he's kicking Bane while he's on the ground...it's the good leg.

 

[Brother Jack]

Considering how strong Bane was presented as being (lifting up Batman by the neck with one arm, snapping several necks effortlessly, punching holes into concrete pillars) Bruce's knee brace probably helped him last for as long as he did in their first fight together and later contributed to his victory.

 

[JackWhite]

Yeah, I really thought the super kick Batman used to finish Bane during the final fight was with the bum knee; which had the brace on it. Guess I was wrong.

 

[Anno_Domini]

Which knee has the brace

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Take notice of which leg Batman uses

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[BatLobster]

Never looked close enough to notice, but Anno is right, he kicks with the good leg.

Also, goddamn I love the Batman/Bane second fight. It's really moving up there for me.

 

[Anno_Domini]

 

[J.Howlett]

 

[Brain Damage]

Yup. This is how I see it too.

 

[Panthro]

I'll always call BS on that one. Alfred HAS walked out on Bruce in the comics:

Cool, which story line is this from?

 

[milost]

I love Batman Begins, but it's nothing like the original Star Wars. Not even close. That whole thing is a stretch. "A classic, nothing we've ever seen before"?

Star Wars was a cultural phenomenon, it was huge. Batman Begins was a good reboot and origin story to a franchise that had been put in the gutter 7 years earlier. I don't know what constitutes as a "classic" any more. But whatever Star Wars was/is, Batman Begins is certainly nothing like it. Not in genre, not in scope, not in storytelling, not in making, not in release. Nothing. They're two very separate things.


The Empire Strikes Back and Dark Knight connection could connect I guess. They're both darker and less upbeat than their predecessor.


TDKR similar to Return of the Jedi? Only in the sense that it's a disappointment compared to the previous two with big head scratchers from Ewoks to magic leg braces, from Leia conveniently being Luke's sister, to random 30 year old orphans knowing who Batman is because "it's in their bones". I also definitely wouldn't say that TDKR is an awesome conclusion.








I have yet to see them "blur into one great story that you no longer look at separately" either. As much as hardcore TDKR fans might like for something like that to happen. Films are always better when you look at them separately anyway.



Begins and The Dark Knight especially aren't bettered when they are connected to TDKR in my opinion. They're better separated from it.

 

[The Joker]

Cool, which story line is this from?

It's called 'Officer Down'. Came out around 2001, shortly after the 'No Man's Land' storyline. It's where Commissioner Gordon gets shot.

 

[BatLobster]

I have yet to see them "blur into one great story that you no longer look at separately" either. As much as hardcore TDKR fans might like for something like that to happen. Films are always better when you look at them separately anyway.

Haha, I don't "like" for something like that to happen. It has already happened for many of us. It hasn't for you because you weren't invested in the story and you are emotionally cut off from the movie due to your issues with it. You don't want to think of it as a conclusion to two movies you love. But you have to realize, even with all the criticism out there, that particular stance is still a minority opinion.

I also strongly, strongly disagree with the idea that films should be looked at separately when you're dealing with a trilogy. They are meant to enrich each other. This is true of all my favorite trilogies.

 

[Panthro]

It's called 'Officer Down'. Came out around 2001, shortly after the 'No Man's Land' storyline. It's where Commissioner Gordon gets shot.

ARGH, I still need to read those (you know how it is, so many comics, so many trades, so little money, so little time...).

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yes people are so quick to nit-pick at the little details they don't like (Jedi would have probably been ripped had the internet been around then) but don't often appreciate the bigger picture.

I think the The Dark Knight trilogy as a whole is just going to appreciate in people's minds the further always we get from it. Also depending on how the reboot/s are received.

We'll have 4 star wars pics in 2015 since the original trilogy and they'll likely still be seen as inferior to the original films.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It's called 'Officer Down'. Came out around 2001, shortly after the 'No Man's Land' storyline. It's where Commissioner Gordon gets shot.

Perhaps that's the inspiration for why Gordon is shot?

Haha, I don't "like" for something like that to happen. It has already happened for many of us. It hasn't for you because you weren't invested in the story and you are emotionally cut off from the movie due to your issues with it. You don't want to think of it as a conclusion to two movies you love. But you have to realize, even with all the criticism out there, that particular stance is still a minority opinion.

I also strongly, strongly disagree with the idea that films should be looked at separately when you're dealing with a trilogy. They are meant to enrich each other. This is true of all my favorite trilogies.

I agree as well, and many others will agree as well. Heck, three posters have already re-quoted that pic so I assume they think the same way as well. And I would greatly compare the Star Wars original trilogy with The Dark Knight Trilogy. They are very iconic in their own right and while one can dissect each film and perceive the Star Wars films to be more iconic or memorable, we're looking at films decades ago. It's not really fair to just put the hammer down and say the TDK trilogy isn't as memorable right now. I bet their iconography will grow over time.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Batman Begins a 'classic, like nothing you've ever seen before"? Ehhh....

I've seen batman before. I've seen incomprehensible flash cutting before. I've seen non-linear storytelling before. I've heard Hans Zimmer's ubiquitous strings before. I've never seen a successful reboot before, but I have a feeling that quote implies far more than that.

Star Wars is one of the true gems of cinema. Literally nothing will replicate it. Not TDK, not Avengers, not Avatar. Nothing.

 

[The Joker]

Perhaps that's the inspiration for why Gordon is shot?

Most likely. Nolan does tap heavily in the 80's/90's/2000's comics most.

 

[georgec]

Respect.

Nolan's TDK trilogy tells one cohesive story about a man confronting his personal demons. It's one of the most personal, engrossing tales of the sort I've ever seen.

 

[Travesty]

Star Wars is one of the true gems of cinema. Literally nothing will replicate it. Not TDK, not Avengers, not Avatar. Nothing.

I dunno, man, TDK single-handedly put Obama in office. Star Wars never did that.

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^

I know you're joking but is that actually based on a "real idea"? I've always heard the criticisms from some that TDK was more of a "pro-bush" film. I think that's pretty unfounded however.

 

[Anno_Domini]

All three films have been said to be either pro-Republican or pro-Democrat. It's all nonsense if you ask me.