TMOS Reviews Thread - Non Spoiler Review and Discussion - Part 5

[FlawlessVictory]

Superman man hit it and quit it. Then he made a rooftop booty call when he got back in town.

Right. And this version of Superman is better than the version in MOS to some people?

 

[Poni_Boy]

Still, shouldn't you tell someone that you would be gone for potentially a very long time that you have been in an intimate relationship with? It is Superman of all people, someone that is held to an even higher standard. Or was he just sleeping with her and didn't care about her feelings?

Now you're changing your story. The two things aren't comparable. He didn't ditch his pregnant girlfriend like you claimed. As much as I didn't like Super-kid in SR the scene where Kal gives him the father/son speech is more emotional than anything in MOS

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Didn't he leave suddenly, looking for remnants of Krypton? It wasn't that he didn't care about her, he was looking for home. He never left to intentionally hurt her.

Those remnants weren't going anywhere. He didn't have one night to explain to her what was going on. Someone he thought of enough to be intimate with. He was in that much of a rush.

 

[danoyse]

whether he knew or not for certainty...seriously....can you really excuse a grown man for missing out on first 5 years of his son's life?

If he didn't know he had a son, how would he know he was missing it?

If he'd known she was pregnant and bolted, it would have been one thing. He just didn't know.

wouldn't a grown man at least confront his girlfriend before abandoning her...what he did is abandonment. He couldn't tell her because she'll say no and make him feel bad...this is the Superman, Man of Steel?

And as I recall, she was very angry at him for it, and he paid for it. She'd left him for someone else.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Right. And this version of Superman is better than the version in MOS to some people?

Yes, unfortunately

 

[Rowsdower!]

Seeing this tomorrow, so I don't know how good of bad it is but I'll just say this.

The only way this movie could be worse than Superman Returns is if it's literally one of the worst movies ever made. Now, that's not to say that SR is one of the worst movies ever made, but other than the cinematography and some of the special effects, that movie literally has NO redeeming qualities in my book. Terrible writing, terrible dialogue and sh**ty acting across the board. And the reason that all makes it worse to me than a piece of crap movie like say, U Got Served, is because it took a character that I really care about and made him as dull and uninteresting as possible. It made Superman into a background character incapable of doing NOTHING other than lifting giant set pieces.

So, at least in my book, MOS would have to make me want to claw my eyes out to be worse than that.

 

[Autonet]

I think this guy gave a good review. He has mixed feelings about the movie and points out what he does not like

*Contains Spoilers*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOR3q_g5PFU

Pretty good. He really puts into words how I feel. It's nothing about Donnerverse or anything about past Superman movies.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Now you're changing your story. The two things aren't comparable. He didn't ditch his pregnant girlfriend like you claimed. As much as I didn't like Super-kid in SR the scene where Kal gives him the father/son speech is more emotional than anything in MOS

Changed my story from what? I am saying he should have never left without saying anything to her. I never mentioned ditching a pregnant gf.

 

[SentinelMind]

Didn't he leave suddenly, looking for remnants of Krypton? It wasn't that he didn't care about her, he was looking for home. He never left to intentionally hurt her.

not that I think the exploration of Krypton, which was declared destroyed in previous movies, was great motivation...for sake of argument, let's accept it...

Why couldn't he tell her that he would be leaving her to her face??????????

This is Superman!!

 

[danoyse]

Those remnants weren't going anywhere. He didn't have one night to explain to her what was going on. Someone he thought of enough to be intimate with. He was in that much of a rush.

No one is saying it wasn't wrong. He wound up losing Lois to another man who was raising his son in his place. He paid dearly for leaving them.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Yes, unfortunately

Well I find his actions in SR to be pretty deplorable, so I guess in MOS he must be completely void of any morals and a pretty heinous person to be worse than that person called Superman in SR was.

 

[The Shape]

Still, shouldn't you tell someone that you would be gone for potentially a very long time when you have been in an intimate relationship with? It is Superman of all people, someone that is held to an even higher standard. Or was he just sleeping with her and didn't care about her feelings?

Let's not forget he abandoned all of the people of Earth, who he supposedly cared so much about protecting, for YEARS to go check out if his planet was still around. SR was just a motivational mess, in terms of basically all of the characters. The whole idea of SR was just doomed from the start; a quasi-sequel/quasi-remake to the Donner films that assumed the GA remembered everything that happened in Superman 1 and 2...with younger (and lesser) lead actors. It had some nice, nostalgic moments, and yeah, the score was excellent...but it was a step backward.

At least now we're getting a step forward...which is the right direction for us all. I haven't seen MOS yet, and I'm sure some of the critic's qualms are valid, but the way I see it...only good can come of MOS's existence. We get a new Superman film that will FINALLY give us some super-action (other than a strong guy lifting big things like in SR). I'm assuming we'll get a sequel that will be even BETTER and its own monster, since we're done with the rehashing of the origin after this one. And, as we've heard, we might even be getting a new DC film universe. These mixed reviews can't keep me from being pumped...and that's coming from a guy who thinks Superman is MUCH lamer and more boring than Batman and other heroes.

 

[SentinelMind]

If he didn't know he had a son, how would he know he was missing it?

If he'd known she was pregnant and bolted, it would have been one thing. He just didn't know.



And as I recall, she was very angry at him for it, and he paid for it. She'd left him for someone else.

I was arguing with point that people found SR's Superman more relatable. I can't see it.

It seemed bizarre that Singerman was stunned that a woman would move on with her life after 5 years....he seemed to have believed she'd just wait around open arm after the abandonment.

I found nothing in Singerman's motivation relatable, admirable...I think even a gangbanger would tell his gf he'd be leaving for a while....I can't see how MOS could do worse.

 

[GarudA]

Pretty good. He really puts into words how I feel. It's nothing about Donnerverse or anything about past Superman movies.

Spoiler

What makes me worry the most is the part about how Jonathan dies. It is just something I believe clark will never do, he would rather have everyone know his secret then let his father die.

 

[Rowsdower!]

SR made Superman seem like he was too dumb to think that there might be repercussions if he ditched Earth for five years.

F*** that movie.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think what would be better for some is to just go into this film and not expect to be given the "game changer" that they were unconsciously hoping to see in this. That way, at least they'll be free to be entertained, since based off of the criticisms that the people here seem to have with it, MOS doesn't look like anything other than an average CBM when it comes to its plot and execution.

Yeah, it feels like Goyer was given more free control, and that Zack overdid it :/

 

[SentinelMind]

If he didn't know he had a son, how would he know he was missing it?

If he'd known she was pregnant and bolted, it would have been one thing. He just didn't know.
.

I feel the movie played the lack of knowledge of her pregnancy as a big cop out for his absence. In real life, no one would look at someone with pity or understanding if you weren't around for first 5 years of your son's life. Putting yourself in a position where you'd have no contact with loved one during that time is just slimy. He ended the relationship with her without her input..input that could have changed the course of the relationship. 100% slimy.
I guess maybe that's different now in the year 2013.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well I find his actions in SR to be pretty deplorable, so I guess in MOS he must be completely void of any morals and a pretty heinous person to be worse than that person called Superman in SR was.

I found this iteration of Superman to be a coward, selfish and arrogant/brutish. He cycled through all three depending on what the scene called for. No thanks.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Wow. :'(

 

[ThreadPool]

Yay! The Superman Returns vs. Man of Steel thread!

 

[The Batman]

Yay! The Superman Returns vs. Man of Steel thread!

Thats basically been the theme of this forum for the past three years.

Oh, throw some STM in there too.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I found this iteration of Superman to be a coward, selfish and arrogant/brutish. He cycled through all three depending on what the scene called for. No thanks.

You obviously have the advantage of seeing MOS but selfish and cowardly? Sounds like the Superman in SR. Too cowardly to tell Lois he was leaving and selfish for not acknowledging another person's feelings in a relationship he was in.

 

[Poni_Boy]

You obviously have the advantage of seeing MOS but selfish and cowardly? Sounds like the Superman in SR. Too cowardly to tell Lois he was leaving and selfish for not acknowledging another person's feelings in a relationship he was in.

Worse in this one

 

[ThreadPool]

Thats basically been the theme of this forum for the past three years.

Oh, throw some STM in there too.

Yeah. It just gets kinda crazy sometimes. It's also funny because most of us haven't even seen MoS to give a fair comparison. Man... I can't wait to see this.

 

[InJustice]

Worse in this one

Hard to believe considering the good words from DaJanksta and ThePowerCosmic about Superman.