The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 1

[BatLobster]

I've never heard of that site, do you know if they've been reliable at all in the past shauner?

Anyhow, I have no doubt that WB execs are crapping their pants right about now. Rebooting again....ugh, I just don't know. I can't imagine them going that route, not with Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman on the way. They're in too deep.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

What a cluster****.

 

[The Shape]

What do you guys make of this? True or B.S?

http://www.moovienews.com/20160323-major-shakeup-for-warnerbros-and-dc.html

I don't buy it.

Replacing the director and mixing up the creative team sounds possible and logical, obviously, but rebooting the whole universe? Reworking WW as a soft reboot solo movie and removing all references to the events of BVS? Potentially losing Affleck as Batman by doing this? Nah.

Whether or not the film as a whole works, there are plenty of elements of BVS that can be salvaged and built upon for the JL and other films, particularly Batman himself and the JL nuggets.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I could see SS being it's own weird thing, separate from everything else, however I don't really think they should reboot. They could have a great Trinity with the cast they have, but they need someone who will deliver better films for them.

 

[Shikamaru]

Let's assume for a moment it really is as bad as the critics describe it. If that's the case, and they decide to reboot, it might actually be a blessing in disguise.

I mean, the whole problem with using MOS as a starting point was that a) it felt too TDKT-esque from its inception and b) was a complete afterthought. With a reboot they could at least plan a universe from the ground up like Marvel did.

And even then, that's assuming the film's current reception won't hurt them in the long run.

 

[Snow Queen]

What do you guys make of this? True or B.S?

http://www.moovienews.com/20160323-major-shakeup-for-warnerbros-and-dc.html

Doubt it. I'd be more surprised if they weren't worried and there wasn't a certain amount the movie needs to make or else he's out, and I think it's likely if so that they go begging George Miller. But, the Wonder Woman thing makes me raise an eyebrow. Being set ages before BVS, I'm not sure how much it could connect to BVS that it requires a major rewrite to distance itself.

 

[BatLobster]

I could see SS being it's own weird thing, separate from everything else, however I don't really think they should reboot. They could have a great Trinity with the cast they have, but they need someone who will deliver better films for them.

Even Suicide Squad can't really be its own thing, since Batfleck is cameoing in it.

I just see no way they can pull the plug and reboot. The only way out of this is forwards, with hopefully better-received films that capitalize on a cast that people seem to like, for the most part.

I don't see how Justice League doesn't get pushed back though, and I do think Snyder getting the axe could be on the table. I don't see how it isn't, honestly...unless this film ends up being one of those "critics pan it, audience loves it" movies and makes huge bank with good legs.

 

[AnneFan]

What a cluster****.

Very worrying if true.

 

[BatLobster]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

 

[Snow Queen]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

6:30. I'm not sure if I'm dreading or anticipating it at this point.

 

[JackWhite]

Just get rid of Snyder and move forward without batting an eye.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Anyone seen this dumb tweet?

 

[titansupes]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

T-Minus 4 hours. I don't know how I feel at all at this point. I was always a skeptic... but a hopeful one, y'know? Even now, every time a TV spot shows up, I can't help but think "Man.. It doesn't look 34% bad..."

I just want to see it and judge it for myself already.

 

[Brother Jack]

Tone is never the issue. It's always about execution.

 

[Man in the Suit]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

Yep. 6:00. Can't wait to finally see this beast.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

yes

I'm getting so drunk that I'm enjoying this dumpster fire no matter what

 

[BatLobster]

yes

I'm getting so drunk that I'm enjoying this dumpster fire no matter what

I've considered the same. t:

Chip, I really hope you end up liking it though. I don't think it's impossible...plenty of fans seem to have loved it. At the very least, 'Fleck should get you through.

 

[shauner111]

I've never heard of that site, do you know if they've been reliable at all in the past shauner?

Never heard of the site til now.

I don't buy it.

Replacing the director and mixing up the creative team sounds possible and logical, obviously, but rebooting the whole universe? Reworking WW as a soft reboot solo movie and removing all references to the events of BVS? Potentially losing Affleck as Batman by doing this? Nah.

Whether or not the film as a whole works, there are plenty of elements of BVS that can be salvaged and built upon for the JL and other films, particularly Batman himself and the JL nuggets.

There's no way they let go of Batfleck or Irons.

There's no reason to toss any of the cast who are playing the 6 JL members.

Let's assume for a moment it really is as bad as the critics describe it. If that's the case, and they decide to reboot, it might actually be a blessing in disguise.

I mean, the whole problem with using MOS as a starting point was that a) it felt too TDKT-esque from its inception and b) was a complete afterthought. With a reboot they could at least plan a universe from the ground up like Marvel did.

And even then, that's assuming the film's current reception won't hurt them in the long run.

The Superman part would be dumb though. There's a good cast there, no need for another origin, and there's good enough setup. All you need to do is toss Eisenberg, put Lex on the backburner, resurrect Supes at the start of Justice League and write him as a more heroic character. Utilizing Henry/Clarks personality.

Doubt it. I'd be more surprised if they weren't worried and there wasn't a certain amount the movie needs to make or else he's out, and I think it's likely if so that they go begging George Miller. But, the Wonder Woman thing makes me raise an eyebrow. Being set ages before BVS, I'm not sure how much it could connect to BVS that it requires a major rewrite to distance itself.

They're at the end of the shoot but apparently the ending is tied to Batman v Superman (it jumps forward to present day at some point).

Even Suicide Squad can't really be its own thing, since Batfleck is cameoing in it.

I just see no way they can pull the plug and reboot. The only way out of this is forwards, with hopefully better-received films that capitalize on a cast that people seem to like, for the most part.

I don't see how Justice League doesn't get pushed back though, and I do think Snyder getting the axe could be on the table. I don't see how it isn't, honestly...unless this film ends up being one of those "critics pan it, audience loves it" movies and makes huge bank with good legs.

They can always keep Suicide Squad as its own thing that has ties to Batmans solo universe, if they ever scrapped Justice League.

Reboot is a stupid idea. I dont care if this sucks, i want to see Darkseid as a god/dictator like satan, controlling our planet in a Mad Max type of setting. Perfect for George Miller. Just keep the same cast if anything. Still a sequel to the events of Batman v Superman. Use the main concept but completely rework the details of the script and where the characters are going. Make Superman more likeable and less pouty, fully formed.

You know what we should ALL do if we don't like it? Change our avatars to a goofy Snyder pic. That will be hilarious for all his fanboys when they enter our thread.

 

[BatLobster]

They might as well get Miller and cross over the Mad Max universe with the DCU for the post-apocalyptic thing. You even get Hardy back in the mix that way.* Shoot, with what Sony is doing with 21 Jump Street and MIB, stranger things have happened!

*am joking, but still....to be on fly on the wall at WB now...

 

[Travesty]

yes

I'm getting so drunk that I'm enjoying this dumpster fire no matter what

Christ, you've turned into a complete mess that past few days. I never would've thought that.

 

[shauner111]

Hah!

Just use Hardy as Darkseid since Miller doesn't want to do another Mad Max movie. I have no problem with the current JL cast. Imagine the type of action Miller would shoot? Imagine the subtlety compared to Snyder? Imagine the great fit Junkie XL/Hans Zimmer would be?? Or just Junkie.

 

[shauner111]

I would be super bummed if i actually really enjoyed this movie more than MOS and only had a few small issues with it after a couple of viewings, only to find out that WB pulled the plug on this universe. Or that the 30 extra minutes in Snyder's directors cut rounds every scene out nicely yet they still tossed Zack to the side.

That's the thing too. What if this movie deserves a second chance at a RT score from scratch once the director's cut is released this summer? Maybe it's the studios fault for releasing THEIR cut in theaters.

 

[DACrowe]

So I saw this movie tonight. Nolan's legacy is safe for a while from utter fan backlash. I assumed it would at least be competent, but Batman v Superman is a complete mess on the scale of The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

The storyline does not make much sense, there is no pacing or rhythm to the narrative, scenes begin and end, characters appear and disappear, plot threads are introduced and not explored again (most egregiously and already infamously with the "Knightmare" sequence. The Doomsday stuff is a CGI cluster****.

As for the Batman--Affleck is competent. He proves the internet haters wrong. But his Batman is so mishandled by Zack Snyder. Not only is he a killer, but he is also a walking, talking embodiment of the Bat-fascist not from "The Dark Knight Returns" but from "The Dark Knight Strikes Again." His manifesto for why he does what he does during the Superman fight is sickening.

This thing is a massive disappointment that will have ramifications for the DCEU. I really wish Zack Snyder was not making Justice League, but here we are. It really is so frustrating.

 

[Brother Jack]

It's too late to abort and reboot. Justice League starts shooting next month. They're in this for the long haul whatever happens. This is potentially a really big problem for them but, honestly, they should have reconsidered jumping straight into this solely on Snyder's shoulders. It was never the wisest move.

 

[AnneFan]

Anybody else here seeing it tomorrow?

Me. Look out for my thoughts, I'll post them here first.