The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 2

[titansupes]

Yeah, I saw that. Got to feel for him.

 

[JackWhite]

That's pretty rough. Poor guy.

 

[BatLobster]

That's sad. I still watch Jingle All the Way every Christmas, and Episode I wasn't his fault. Poor dude.

So yeah, that Suicide Squad trailer was pretty good. I'm keeping my hype in check given recent events, but I feel like this movie has to be solid at the very least. It just looks like so much fun. Even if the movie isn't filled with nonstop one-liners (it better not be), just the variety of the characters alone feels so fresh and comic-booky. Harley continues to look great.

Also...I might be finally getting used to Joker's tattoos. Still not a big fan of the pimp jacket, but I can give the tats a pass now.

 

[JackWhite]

I love Jingle All The Way!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Poor Jake, best wishes for him.

 

[Ryan]

Me thinks this Batman is just a grumpier a-hole, who throws tantrums without thinking too much into things. Maybe we should get used to it and not expect such a change just because a better writer/director is coming on board?

Was watching some scenes from the movie (terrible quality though), and i think i gave Affleck too much credit after watching this film in theaters twice. He's solid/good in this role, no doubt. But he's not "fantastic". He may be able to get to that high spot with better material, but for now i won't expect it. He plays this A-Hole version well though.

The majority of his Batman scenes have barely anything to do with him. It's all suit, stuntwork and a robot voice. The praise should come down to his Bruce Wayne. And it's solid good but not Bale good. He just has the right physical appearance for the character, which i believe is kinda clouding peoples judgement of him.

Alfred? Irons is a fantastic actor but his characterization is quite one dimensional. Business partner like attitude for most of it. Bats blows these dudes to bits from his Batwing, on way to the warehouse and seconds later, Alfred doesn't pay any mind to it. When he does ask him some questions, it's the uncle/nephew esque relationship that i talked about a week or two ago.

I also watched some scenes from TDK yesterday, and man, when Bruce nails that goon in the face with that gun in the penthouse, then proceeds to take the gun apart while walking straight. Pure f**kin Batman, determination. He's thinkin "no guns motherf**ker!". It's sooooooo Batman. Batfleck would have probably taken the gun, shot the guy with it, and kept the gun. I wonder if that guy in the warehouse (in bats v supes) would have SHOT him in the shoulder instead of stabbing, if Bats would have returned the favor and shot the thug in the goddamn shoulder too! Hahaha. Eye for an eye right??! He's kinda like a child who has to get his way and overreacts. Geoff Johns should be perfect then! "Shoot at my batmobile or Batwing? F**k you b**ch! Ima shoot your ass down."

I wonder if Zack is gonna screw up the characterization of Jim Gordon like he did with Lex, Supes and Bats? Cuz we know he kinda looked at Mark Zuckerberg in Social Network and said let's do a hammy version of that! I bet he cast J.K Simmons cuz he wants to turn Gordon into a shouting, hot-headed Commish who barks orders at policemen and calls out Batman on his s**t. All because he liked him in Whiplash/Spider-Man! Don't be surprised if we're kinda facepalming at Commissioner Gordon in 2017.

Awesome post. This EXACTLY sums up my feelings on this new direction they are taking with Batman on film. For me, its a weird experience to see so many people clamoring over Affleck's/Miller's version of Batman, to the point, that anything less than a giant muscle bounded violent swearing Batman isn't 'Batman" anymore. I grew up watching the reruns of the 60s show, read the o'neil comics as a kid, watched Batman 89 in high school and probably about 7 years ago read the dark knight returns for the first time. I can appreciate and like all the different versions of Batman, but its become that quote about "these civilized people...will eat each other" in there defense of Affleck's version. Like Shauner said, I thought Affleck was fine and maybe better material will make the difference, but for now, I wasn't blown away, like I was with Bale.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Suicide Squad section is a scary place right now.
You might want to keep your distance from that place.

I'm crazy enough to continue going and posting there.

 

[The Batman]

Why? What's going on?

 

[Kane52630]

A lot of "Superman is lame and their fans suck" and "Batman is cool s***!" from one guy.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Someone said Batman in BvS left a bad taste in his mouth, and he doesn't want to see much of that Batman in Suicide Squad.
And some bickering happened about why Superman is lame and how MoS and BvS fixed him, whining about how bad BvS is, and mocking of other posters opinions.

One post is "Superman is boring", a reply post is "this is trolling".

 

[Tacit Ronin]

A lot of "Superman is lame and their fans suck" and "Batman is cool s***!" from one guy.

The angry, obsessive Bat fans are 100 times worse than Superman fans.

 

[The Batman]

Hahahaha, I had to go over there due to you guys' post.

It feels like OutofBoose is cracking due to all the BvS backlash.

I don't like a lot of Batfans, but Superman fans aren't that great either. Batman fans are worse because the fanbase is currently larger. If Superman were as popular as he used to be, he'd probably have plenty obnoxious, annoying fans as well.

 

[Shikamaru]

Honestly, BvS Batman left a bad taste in my mouth too. I'm happy to see Affleck already getting a shot under another director, but there's also a part of me that fears he won't be much different from his BvS counterpart.

 

[Greens]

Honestly, BvS Batman left a bad taste in my mouth too. I'm happy to see Affleck already getting a shot under another director, but there's also a part of me that fears he won't be much different from his BvS counterpart.

That shot of Batman carrying Harley to the Batmobile does make me think he'll be different in this movie.

Either way is fine with me. I liked him in BvS.

 

[Snow Queen]

The Suicide Squad boards at the moment remind me of a smaller scale version of the Batman v Superman boards a few months ago. Not somewhere that seems pleasant to post in, despite some posters I like that frequent it.

 

[shauner111]

Awesome post. This EXACTLY sums up my feelings on this new direction they are taking with Batman on film. For me, its a weird experience to see so many people clamoring over Affleck's/Miller's version of Batman, to the point, that anything less than a giant muscle bounded violent swearing Batman isn't 'Batman" anymore. I grew up watching the reruns of the 60s show, read the o'neil comics as a kid, watched Batman 89 in high school and probably about 7 years ago read the dark knight returns for the first time. I can appreciate and like all the different versions of Batman, but its become that quote about "these civilized people...will eat each other" in there defense of Affleck's version. Like Shauner said, I thought Affleck was fine and maybe better material will make the difference, but for now, I wasn't blown away, like I was with Bale.

Thanks dude. Im only good with it because it'll be nice when im older to look back on all the different versions of Batman that made it to the big screen over the years. This "giant muscle bounded violent swearing Batman" as you put it, was always destined to make it on film. At some point. It's not surprising that Snyder was the one to give birth to it. It's a more extreme Frank Miller Bats, that's for sure. But i doubt i'll look back on this era with a smile. Unless Ayer/Affleck put the effort into changing him up.

Honestly, BvS Batman left a bad taste in my mouth too. I'm happy to see Affleck already getting a shot under another director, but there's also a part of me that fears he won't be much different from his BvS counterpart.

The only difference will be his lack of killing people and branding. I bet anything that's the only difference. When you got Geoff Johns writing, i don't see a reason to get excited beyond "Ohhhh gooodie! There won't be as much CG, we'll actually have Batman villains and not as many subplots!". Which sounds good in comparison to what we just sat through. But that ain't hard to beat!

Somebody (was it you?) said they were exhausted with this version of Batman after watching this movie. I feel the same. He's nothing but tormented, violent, arrogant...it's one-dimensional after a while. Looks like Ayer will use him less, maybe add some fun to the mix.

https://www.getyarn.io/api/interactions/54e7a913-934b-4c59-a34c-a9dea1261c1b/mp4.mp4

 

[BatLobster]

Jeez, I haven't been keeping up with the Suicide Squad boards. I guess the BvS cloud is bound to hang over the DC fanbase for a while.

One thing I'm hoping is that when Batfleck shows up in SS, we get to hear his theme. I think more musical continuity between movies would be something nice, and something that Marvel hasn't done that good of a job with.

 

[The Joker]

Hahahaha, I had to go over there due to you guys' post.

It feels like OutofBoose is cracking due to all the BvS backlash.

I don't like a lot of Batfans, but Superman fans aren't that great either. Batman fans are worse because the fanbase is currently larger. If Superman were as popular as he used to be, he'd probably have plenty obnoxious, annoying fans as well.

I had to go and see this for myself, because I've seen him act really immature on the BvS boards. He's going nuclear on those SS threads. He was getting mad at Kane. Kane. How do you get mad at Kane?

The backlash against BvS is bringing out his inner troll.

 

[Shikamaru]

Hello, boys and girls. Would you like to read a blast from the past?

^ I agree with everything.

I see TDKR's ending as Nolan's way of saying "WB, you can't touch this now that I'm done." I do understand that point of view and can see where he is coming from in terms of what could have happened to the franchise after Movie 3, but it hurts TDKR in present-day context (or at least in what was present-day context back in 2012).

I do find the "sacrifice" funny and pointless in retrospect. Batman vs. Superman looks entirely like a film just pushed by suits that will be a complete disaster. It looks like the second biggest CBM disaster within the foreseeable future (the first being Bay-Turtles reboot). Batman specifically has been made about an entire decade older than Superman and other superheroes, is stunt casted, and will be the crazy right-wing extremist we see in books like Dark Knight Returns/Kingdom Come. Despite Nolan's intentions with TDKR's ending to avoid Batman's film future being turned into a disaster, Batman's film future still looks like a complete disaster.

In some ways, it looks like more of a disaster than it would had been if Nolan's franchise continued. At least with Nolan's franchise, WB would have been forced to stick to a lot of the things people love about Batman in order for things to make sense continuity-wise. With a clean-slate, WB can do whatever the hell they want.

All this makes TDKR's ending even more disappointing IMO.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27620859&postcount=814

Sometimes I hate being right.

 

[JackWhite]

Hello, boys and girls. Would you like to read a blast from the past?



http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=27620859&postcount=814

Sometimes I hate being right.

A mere "I told you so" would have sufficed.

None the less, Shika, you deserve this:



I disagree with the last part though. Could you imagine Snyder just continuing off with Nolan's version if it didn't have a definitive ending? He would have found some way to screw it up no matter what, IMO.

 

[The Batman]

I had to go and see this for myself, because I've seen him act really immature on the BvS boards. He's going nuclear on those SS threads. He was getting mad at Kane. Kane. How do you get mad at Kane?

The backlash against BvS is bringing out his inner troll.

Lol, Kane is like Teflon. I think he was the only notable poster that was openly skeptical about aspects of BvS, and didn't catch flak for it.

 

[Kane52630]

Oh I caught flak for it, I was just able to wipe that **** out and still keep my sanity.

I think the very first time was when they announced they were going to make a Batman v Superman movie. I remember saying how odd and lazy it was having Batman in your Superman sequel (as if almost they were rushing their universe). And of course I got criticize for even thinking that.

 

[shauner111]

I don't think it's lazy having Batman in a Superman sequel. It's just lazy centering the whole movie around Batman and Superman, together. When you only have one origin film that did OK critically and commercially. And Batman is the first in the title!

The biggest disaster of this movie has to do with the title. On one hand it gives everything away. It starts with Batman taking on Superman, then they'll be friends and team-up together to plant the Justice League seeds. Then you show Wonder Woman teaming up with those two in a trailer, it takes all the curiosity away from the big fight. Which ended up being a very childish fight i might add. The warehouse fight was way better.

And then "Batman vs Superman" or the stupid "V". It's dumb and makes everyone think of Freddy vs Jason. Alien vs Predator. What does one think of when those two titles come to mind? Cash-grab, style over substance.

This movie should have been called "Man Of Steel 2: Dawn of Justice" or just made a Dark Knight Returns adapatation. Which wouldn't be a smart idea since Nolan just made a Dark Knight series, but still.

 

[shauner111]

Still the best!

That whole penthouse section of the film shows all the great little things, that make Batman who he is. Right down to tossing away his alcohol when he leaves the room, to showing his selflessness when he tells Rachel that Harvey can be the guy who takes over and does the city good, to saving Harveys life, to taking apart a goon's gun after taking it from him. The goddamn Batman! Well, at least...my Batman!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Damn. Bale looked so gaunt in TDK.