The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 2

[Tacit Ronin]

That bit bothered me especially because in that situation the only difference between lethal and nonlethal intent is literally 45 degrees. All Batman had to do was aim at their feet. That's not the action of a guy who gives a crap about saving lives.

Aiming at their feet ain't hardcore bro.

 

[Snow Queen]

Yeah. This Batman is completely ruled over by emotion. He might be pushing 50, but he still acts 15.

D..did I just describe Batman or Snyder?

Batman at least uses "awesome", "cool" and "mythological" less. I'm not sure how he's managed to convince WB time and time again to give him so much trust and money.

 

[shauner111]

He also likes to end every sentence with "right?"

 

[BatLobster]

Rough time to be a DC fan. I am so glad I never got too emotionally invested in the success of this movie. I genuinely feel bad for the fans.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Looks like the hype about the airport showdown between all the heroes wasn't just early overreaction. 80% of those that have seen it claims it's the single greatest action scene the genre has procured.

Man, I wanna see this.

 

[BatLobster]

I'm wondering if there's gonna be a really long oner in there, popping in and out of all the individual fights.

 

[JackWhite]

Rough time to be a DC fan. I am so glad I never got too emotionally invested in the success of this movie. I genuinely feel bad for the fans.

LOL, I love it!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Ill probably post this in another thread where the discussion is ongoing, but i may as well do it here too.

During the whole Batman/Superman fight. Right before Bats tries to murder him for the second time with a spear (i think bashing a sink over his head so violently would be the first time he tried)...he says this to him. Which is something i forgot, everytime a defender brings up how Bats is shocked that Superman has a mother he cares for.

"I bet your parents taught you that you mean something. That you're here for a reason. My parents taught me a different lesson. Dying in the gutter. For no reason at all."

So he assumes that Superman has parents who taught him something positive. Something that made him believe in himself.

I forgot that line exists in this movie.

 

[BatLobster]

Shauner, I thought the same thing but I'm pretty sure someone defending the scene would say it's exactly the point that Bruce mentioned Supes having parents because he knows it intellectually but it's not until "Martha" that something stops him in his tracks emotionally. I can give it a pass for not being logical, because Bruce himself isn't very logical in this movie and it's supposed to be an emotional moment.

The problem is, the only way Snyder seems to know how to attempt to convey a big emotional beat like this is by cutting to slow-mo flashbacks. It all just felt so on the nose and tacky. "LOOK GUYS Remember when we showed you the Wayne murders in the beginning and you were all like 'ugh not this again', well it all pays off now because HOLY SH** Batman and Superman's mom's have the same name and I think we're the first people to ever put that together! Mind= blown, amirite?"

I think that is ultimately why the scene just fell flat for me. It's a very risky idea to begin with, and Snyder's overwrought style just made it feel all the more corny and eye-roll inducing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Shauner, I thought the same thing but I'm pretty sure someone defending the scene would say it's exactly the point that Bruce mentioned Supes having parents because he knows it intellectually but it's not until "Martha" that something stops him in his tracks emotionally. I can give it a pass for not being logical, because Bruce himself isn't very logical in this movie and it's supposed to be an emotional moment.

That still doesn't explain Supes' sudden out of character moment of calling his mom by her name. So contrived.

 

[BatLobster]

That still doesn't explain Supes' sudden out of character moment of calling his mom by her name. So contrived.

That's it in a nutshell. Contrived.

 

[The Joker]

Rough time to be a DC fan. I am so glad I never got too emotionally invested in the success of this movie. I genuinely feel bad for the fans.

Photo doesn't work now. What was it?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Snyderchasers can't seem to grasp the concept of execution. Just because the film might work if you stretch the boundaries of logic, unearth some hidden motivation after digging for 30 minutes and flat out add stuff in that's not in the film, they all point to one thing: the execution is terrible.

 

[shauner111]

Those threads are ridiculous. It's both funny and sad.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Using Martha's name as a way to reach Batman's soul is ill conceived.

It paints the world's greatest detective as hilariously sentimental. Batman's great analytical mind won't note Martha as anything more than a lamentable coincidence. It certainly won't make him abandon his mission.

What's next, he let's murderer Thomas and killer Martha go simply because of their names?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Using Martha's name as a way to reach Batman's soul is ill conceived.

It paints the world's greatest detective as hilariously sentimental. Batman's great analytical mind won't note Martha as anything more than a lamentable coincidence. It certainly won't make him abandon his mission.

What's next, he let's murderer Thomas and killer Martha go simply because of their names?

I'll need to use this anytime someone says "But it was the only way to reach Batman's humanity"

 

[shauner111]

Anyone else agree with me that Senator Finch was the only character that acted mature, with a level-head? She sees through Lex, and she's willing to listen to what Superman had to say before taking action?

Doesn't that remind you of a certain character from the comics that was also in this movie? Bruce F'n Wayne. This is the way Bale's Bruce would have acted. Snyder basically replaced Bruce with Senator Finch, and instead made his Batman a hot-headed, not so intelligent, oblivious, monster just because the title reads BATMAN VS SUPERMAN. I bet you anything they came up the concept and title for this movie before thinking of breaking a story. The polar opposite way to do things.

How great would it have been to see Batfleck in the Bruce Wayne/Finch role in this movie. There's no need for the two to fight.

I was waiting all movie to see a scene between Luthor and Wayne, and all we got was a handshake at a party and a "I figured i'd drink you dry" comment to Lex. Bruce hearing out Superman would have stopped everything from happening. He would side with Clark for sure.

It makes no sense for these two to fight this early. I see that now more than ever.

 

[Kane52630]

Reading the review thread, Keyser Sushi is one odd Hypester... You tell him what you dont like about the movie and he tells you just didn't "get it" and you only hide behind opinions.

 

[shauner111]

Reading the review thread, Keyser Sushi is one odd Hypester... You tell him what you dont like about the movie and he tells you just didn't "get it" and you only hide behind opinions.

The maturity of a bullfrog.

 

[The Joker]

Reading the review thread, Keyser Sushi is one odd Hypester... You tell him what you dont like about the movie and he tells you just didn't "get it" and you only hide behind opinions.

That guy is really an odd one. He has taken it upon himself to judge everyone's opinion on the movie in that thread, and basically tell them that you don't get it (the defenders favorite defense), and that the movie is great it just isn't what people wanted.

Well you know badly made movies are not usually what people want.

 

[Ryan]

I've always hated that argument from defenders of any given movie. It's not the fact that I didn't get it, its that I just didn't like it. Explaining it until the point of me "getting it" will not result in me having some epiphany and suddenly liking that movie.
Speaking if which, I can't count the numerous posts I see in various FB pages that have Snyder or others associated with the film 'elaborating' on elements of the film. It almost comes across as excusing the film's flaws. Even 2 years on, it seemed I was still seeing posts by Snyder explaining elements of mos. I shouldn't have to see the directors cut, or read a multitude of interviews by the director himself to 'get' a movie.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Well you know badly made movies are not usually what people want.

I shouldn't have to see the directors cut, or read a multitude of interviews by the director himself to 'get' a movie.

Both quotes are sig worthy
If I didn't have my signature space crammed already, I'd probably add those in the spoiler tag.

 

[shauner111]

Or assume that Bruce is behaving like this because a bunch of things probably happened when he was younger. Well, it's not in the movie so there's no proof. Maybe if they made some remarks in a past movie, then it works for me. But this is the only Batfleck movie so far. Even if they explain some things in future movies, it will make B v S look better to most. That might be my knee-jerk reaction too, to say "OK that explains why he behaved this way in Batman vs Superman!". But this shouldn't be the case. We should be able to judge the movie as it is.

I made a mistake of saying "Nice, they show the consequences of the MOS ending from Bruce's perspective, so it makes the final act of MOS much better." It really doesn't. I can watch MOS again and still be tired of that ending and find stupidity in Supermans actions. Even though i have knowledge that Bruce was there in the city, hating what was happening just like me. It doesn't take away the fact that it's destruction porn, the CGI is ridiculous, and the scenes that follow it make no sense.

 

[shauner111]

Sometimes it helps though, and opens your mind when you read an analysis on an art-film or something. I can't tell you how many times i fell in love with a movie, after doing research and putting the puzzle together in my head, after initially disliking the film after the first viewing.

But this movie is not trying to use metaphor, subtext in a way that makes you think. It's a plot that is easy to follow, characters are straight forward, it's just bad writing when it's not developed enough. Or dumb decisions are made.

I don't need somebody telling me "you didnt get it!". Yes, i did. It's just poorly done. This is not Enemy or 2001: A Space Odyssey.

 

[Snow Queen]

Sometimes it helps though, and opens your mind when you read an analysis on an art-film or something. I can't tell you how many times i fell in love with a movie, after doing research and putting the puzzle together in my head, after initially disliking the film after the first viewing.

But this movie is not trying to use metaphor, subtext in a way that makes you think. It's a plot that is easy to follow, characters are straight forward, it's just bad writing when it's not developed enough. Or dumb decisions are made.

I don't need somebody telling me "you didnt get it!". Yes, i did. It's just poorly done. This is not Enemy or 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Nope, it's Sucker Punch with less schoolgirl outfits. Bland lead that barely speaks, jarring dream sequences, dreary atmosphere and an overly CG look.