The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 4

[Spider-Aziz]

hey now, Cesar Romero was pretty solid considering the tone of the show!

He was amazing, just like that show was.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"Superman statue does not depict Superman twisting Zod's neck."


I'm watching the CinemaSins video for that awful movie now.

 

[The Joker]

hey now, Cesar Romero was pretty solid considering the tone of the show!

I love Cesar's Joker. He encapsulated campy era Joker perfectly.

 

[AnneFan]

Its ok, Shauner. We forgave AnneFan for BvS, so you are off the hook

At times it sounded like Leto was doing a Richard Nixon impression.

I could barely understand him at times. I agree that it's the first Joker to be unmemorable and bland.

 

[Penguin]

[FONT=&quot]I think I enjoyed Croc the most in the movie, his lack of dialogue really gives me the opportunity to imagine what he is thinking. Like him questioning why he was included in the movie. [/FONT]

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

What is your favorite live-action portrayal of a DC Comics character? poll

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The poll does not include Lois & Clark TV series.
That show has the best out of comics Perry White, and has my favorite Superman stories out of comics.

 

[BatLobster]

I think the first act of the movie was all the more frustrating to me because content-wise, it was the most interesting stuff, yet I felt like the music/editing was creating this huge barrier and just getting in the way of me engaging with it. Those elements are so crucial. In terms of editing BvS felt like a movie that had been lobotomized, this movie felt like a bit of a Frankenstein's monster.

The one thing I hoped after seeing the last couple of trailers for this movie was that it wouldn't continue the trend of trying to copy Guardians and just insert random pop songs all throughout the movie. I really believed they wouldn't do it, and obviously they just went full tilt with it. Even with Guardians, while the Awesome Mix was worked into the plot in a way that tied in with the emotional core of the movie, I still thought that movie abused it and it felt slightly manipulative at times. With SS, it felt like it was taken a step further and just yanked me right out of the movie.

I honestly think a big reason I find myself being hard on this movie and all three DCEU films so far (and why I suspect critics are too) is just that they aren't doing enough to justify their existence in an already oversaturated market. Do I think Suicide Squad is honestly worse than some of the lesser Marvel films? Nope, not at all. DC's latest output is just shining a light on the fact that superhero fatigue IS becoming a thing, and trying to take a seat at the cinematic universe table while releasing movies that have these fundamental issues only exacerbates that. I think it's a cumulative effect we're seeing.

I feel the same way, which is part of why I'm not in any huge rush to see it again despite enjoying it. But I also feel like now that I know what it is, I'll just be able to continue enjoying it for what it is.

It's weird, because while I could easily recognize and identity the glaring issues and flaws SS has (the *****fied/hack-job/trailer editing being the most abhorrent), it's almost as if those issues bothered me less because I also saw that there was a great movie in there before it got all ****ed up and I wasn't mentally blaming the filmmaker for all of its shortcomings.

I kinda know what you mean, but in this case I was just mentally blaming the studio, which isn't any better for me...it may have been even more frustrating. At least with BvS, I can look at it and say that it's a Snyder film through and through (even with it being chopped down) and know that I simply am not a big Zack Snyder fan. I also think that movie was probably just fighting an uphill battle with everything it was trying to accomplish in one film.

With SS, it's just hard to shake the feeling that it was under-thought at a script-level and overthought in post. Feels like they missed what should've been an easy layup here. But in a way I'm glad there does seem to be a bigger break between fans and critics than there was with BvS. It shows that audiences still do make up their own minds and aren't just blindly following reviews, which is important. I don't have a problem with anyone enjoying the film. There's a subjective side to the moviegoing experience and that counts too. The critics have a voice, and the audience has theirs...historically the two have not always aligned. I do think that in the cases of BvS and SS, the RT scores are definitely much lower than some other movies that I find worse, but at the same time I really don't have it in me to defend what I feel is mediocrity at this point.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Is it true that the final battle with Enchantress is even worse than the one with Doomsday? I can hardly believe it. The Doomsday battle is the most excruciating thing I've ever seen.

 

[The Shape]

It's definitely worse.

 

[BatLobster]

The Doomsday battle is bloated and mind-numbing in a typical 2016 blockbuster way. The Enchantress battle is just lame.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yeah, but Snyder gives it a foul, piss drenched, Gears of War aesthetic that makes me wanna gag. I think I could tolerate it if it was at day or something. Tell me the SS battle is more colorful.

 

[The Shape]

I wouldn't say it's more colorful. I wouldn't even call it a battle.

 

[The Joker]

What is your favorite live-action portrayal of a DC Comics character? poll

No surprise Heath's Joker is leading the poll by several hundred votes. Nice to see Bale in third place after Chris Reeve.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It's cool to see that in all of the public polls Bale is always a favorite. This place sometimes gives me the distorted view that the dislike of Bale is a general thing.

 

[Greens]

Why the **** is TLJ's Two-Face not #1 in that poll.

 

[The Shape]

I don't know anyone in "real life" who dislikes Bale's Batman. That's definitely an Internet/fanboy/insecurity thing.

 

[The Joker]

Why the **** is TLJ's Two-Face not #1 in that poll.

He lost the coin toss. Multiple times.

 

[shauner111]

Thanks for forgiving me guys hahah.

The Doomsday battle is worse than Enchantress. That crap was way too long, nothing but explosions and pure CGI, bad editing (Wonder Woman's intro into the battle is good but look at that damn editing guys). Doomsday looks like a video game monster with zero personality while Enchantress is at least communicating with others. There's barely any communication besides a few bad one liners between the Trinity while they keep cutting to Cavill trying to act emotional or Lois face planting everywhere like an idiot. It ends with Supes dying for no good reason and suddenly the entire movie goes slow, dreary but without making us feel anything. Suicide Squads final battle is hokey and may be forgettable compared to the rest of the movie but there are fun exchanges between the characters, and the action does NOT make you numb like the end of BvS.

Suicide Squad > Batman v Superman
Suicide Squad > Majority of Marvel movies.

 

[The Joker]

Suicide Squad > Majority of Marvel movies.

Go sit in the corner!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It ends with Supes dying for no good reason and suddenly the entire movie goes slow, dreary but without making us feel anything.

The ending montage that goes for on and on and on is brutal. So much melodrama for a death I did not give a **** about. And it never ends. I'd watch the million endings of Return of the King over this.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

that entire third act was one of the worst things I've ever seen, I'm still surprised that and leto's joker didn't make me hate this movie.

life is funny like that, I guess.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

The ending montage that goes for on and on and on is brutal. So much melodrama for a death I did not give a **** about. And it never ends. I'd watch the million endings of Return of the King over this.

I think that sums up BvS quite well, in a manner I've not encountered previously.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I hope to god they don't shred Wonder Woman like SS supposedly is. The first legit female led Superhero movie needs to be good.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

I hope to god they don't shred Wonder Woman like SS supposedly is. The first legit female led Superhero movie needs to be good.

My thoughts as well. It's legitimately the only area where they can get one over Marvel, as well as bring something new to the table in terms of supherhero movies, so hopefully they don't screw it up.