The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 4

[Tacit Ronin]

That's not why I said holy **** for.

 

[shauner111]

Right? Tactition Ronian?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Wut?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I did the stupid thing and took BvS Ultimate Cut, and now skim through it.

• Sounds like the opening monologue is trimmed from the theatrical version, or I don't remember it properly, but I remember longer nonsensical monologue.
• I laughed at the bead falling with Bruce in the bat cave.
• Why is the bath scene extended? It's not necessary.
• The movie certainly needed a butt shot of Affleck.
• Alfred chopping wood is needed because....
• Some waiters watch Jon Stewart talk about the lack of declaration of independence from Superman's cape, and nothing of value is there.
• The guard cabin burnt the way it is in Lexcorp is stupid.
• Why did Batman leave the batarang as a signature? He is very visible in the surveillance video.

Sorry fans of this movie, I still can't see how it's a good movie, or how the extended footage is really of value.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Why did Batman leave the batarang as a signature? He is very visible in the surveillance video.

That's not the problem with the scene. The problem with that scene is that it made the chase scene entirely superfluous.

Batman didn't need to chase em at all. I guess he just wanted to kill some people.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I did the stupid thing and took BvS Ultimate Cut, and now skim through it.

• Sounds like the opening monologue is trimmed from the theatrical version, or I don't remember it properly, but I remember longer nonsensical monologue.
• I laughed at the bead falling with Bruce in the bat cave.
• Why is the bath scene extended? It's not necessary.
• The movie certainly needed a butt shot of Affleck.
• Alfred chopping wood is needed because....
• Some waiters watch Jon Stewart talk about the lack of declaration of independence from Superman's cape, and nothing of value is there.
• The guard cabin burnt the way it is in Lexcorp is stupid.
• Why did Batman leave the batarang as a signature? He is very visible in the surveillance video.

Sorry fans of this movie, I still can't see how it's a good movie, or how the extended footage is really of value.

its not a good movie. even with them including scenes that justify the actions of certain characters, it still doesn't make it good.

Just a longer version of a movie that was already a chore to watch. But if anyone hasn't seen it yet and and feels like they absolutely have to, I'd probably tell them the Ultimate cut is their best bet because the Theatrical cut is simply garbage.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

The upgrade doesn't feel like an upgrade, buuut I guess it will spare them the need to watch two versions.

That's not the problem with the scene. The problem with that scene is that it made the chase scene entirely superfluous.

Batman didn't need to chase em at all. I guess he just wanted to kill some people.

The level of stupid is too high, I can't call it flawed.
Unless you consider the minor good in it as flaws.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

A lot of people thought that it was Alfred in Bruce's bed in the Lakehouse scene, and not some chick. I blame the darkass cinematography.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Another pointless actress wasted for a pointless scene that goes nowhere.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

plot twist: it was barbara gordon.

snyder you pesky rapscallion.

 

[Penguin]

The extended cut gets praise why? I can’t see the difference between the two movies other than a longer running time and the tacking on of more pointless scenes.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

CokaCola advertisement.

plot twist: it was barbara gordon.

snyder you pesky rapscallion.

Works.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The extended cut gets praise why? I can’t see the difference between the two movies other than a longer running time and the tacking on of more pointless scenes.

It's only championed by people who always liked the film. The people who abandoned the theatrical cut they so vehemently defended like ebola once the shiny new one came along.

 

[shauner111]

I did the stupid thing and took BvS Ultimate Cut, and now skim through it.

• Sounds like the opening monologue is trimmed from the theatrical version, or I don't remember it properly, but I remember longer nonsensical monologue.
• I laughed at the bead falling with Bruce in the bat cave.
• Why is the bath scene extended? It's not necessary.
• The movie certainly needed a butt shot of Affleck.
• Alfred chopping wood is needed because....
• Some waiters watch Jon Stewart talk about the lack of declaration of independence from Superman's cape, and nothing of value is there.
• The guard cabin burnt the way it is in Lexcorp is stupid.
• Why did Batman leave the batarang as a signature? He is very visible in the surveillance video.

Sorry fans of this movie, I still can't see how it's a good movie, or how the extended footage is really of value.

I don't think the extended footage is of value with the exception of Clark calling his mother or Clark investigating Bats in Gotham or Africa. All of those help. The rest that you listed? Not so much. But in the end, the Ultimate Cut does rearrange some scenes the right way and it makes the editing a lot better. Now, with that comes a 3 hour cut of an already dull movie, so adding 30 minutes to that just makes the pacing go from disjointed/stop & go to being slow and just way too long.

One example of an extended scene that may not have added anything of substance to the film, but it does help the flow and edit of the movie is Diana walking into the party or even the two cops watching a football game before going to work.

Is it now a good movie? To me, no. But it's a much better cut, even if i don't need to see Ben's goddamn ass cheeks!

The extended cut gets praise why? I can’t see the difference between the two movies other than a longer running time and the tacking on of more pointless scenes.

See above.

It's only championed by people who always liked the film. The people who abandoned the theatrical cut they so vehemently defended like ebola once the shiny new one came along.

It's not only that. People who are interested in filmmaking, can see how horrible the editing is in the theatrical cut. The one thing the UC does is help with that. The theatrical is completely unwatchable after you see the UC. Which is why i'm definitely interested in a Suicide Squad Ultimate Cut (we know Ayer won't call it the DIRECTOR'S CUT because he stands by the edit).

With that said, i actually like the editing in Squad more than the theatrical BvS because at least it has an energy to it that makes some sense. Though it looks like it's cut by a trailer company, rather than a professional film editor who knows what they're doing. BvS was cut by some idiots and it didn't add a damn thing to the movie but make it look completely disjointed AND STILL it came off slow at times and boring .

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't think the extended footage is of value with the exception of Clark calling his mother or Clark investigating Bats in Gotham or Africa. All of those help. The rest that you listed? Not so much. But in the end, the Ultimate Cut does rearrange some scenes the right way and it makes the editing a lot better. Now, with that comes a 3 hour cut of an already dull movie, so adding 30 minutes to that just makes the pacing go from disjointed/stop & go to being slow and just way too long.

I forgot how awful the theatrical version was edited.
The investigation scenes and the extra Martha scenes added nothing of value.

 

[The Joker]

It's only championed by people who always liked the film.

Predominantly. I've seen a very small handful of exceptions. But overall it works on those who already liked the movie. The additions are not enough to turn it into a good movie. It needs a complete rewrite for that.

 

[AnneFan]

The extended cut gets praise why? I can’t see the difference between the two movies other than a longer running time and the tacking on of more pointless scenes.

The theatrical cut gets the job done but the UC is just better. More context, more Clark and better flow. The UC added a lot of value, and I'm grateful they released it.

 

[shauner111]

I forgot how awful the theatrical version was edited.
The investigation scenes and the extra Martha scenes added nothing of value.

Well besides being poorly acted by those extras/actors, it adds a little more to Clark. We see in the theatrical cut that he's cooking some (fake) eggs and turns to the tv to hear and see that Batman is branding fools and it leads to them being murdered in prison. He looks concerned and then the next scene with him is Clark sitting at the office looking at photos that some dude gave him, which shows prisoners dead or branded in prison. Now look at the Ultimate Cut where Clark is flipping some fake eggs, he looks to the tv and it's not even about Batman branding fools. It's that black lady asking how Superman chooses who lives, which lives count etc. He looks concerned and kinda heartbroken even though it's the same shot/reaction, i see it differently in that context. When he goes to investigate in Gotham i think it makes Clark look more like a REPORTER. He doesn't look lazy, waiting for some errand boy to deliver some pics and that's that. Nope, he's taking the trip by himself to Gotham and he's asking a handful of people.

Honestly, i do think it's a better version of this film. Chopping wood and all. Speaking of that for a sec, i do like Alfred's concerned look when he figures out what Bruce is up to. Again, adding a tad more weight to Alfred instead of only coming off like a sarcastic mechanic/butler who doesn't really give a damn about Bruce in the theatrical.

The Clark scene calling his mother actually shows a bit more humanity in him, with a simple phone call. It shows that he's thinking about running away from his problems. "I wish it more simple (than staying put)" - "Son, nothing is ever simple". Im paraphrasing, but it's tiny, and it does add a little something to Clark Kent. Both scenes do.

 

[BatLobster]

I actually just watched the Ultimate Cut too.

So honestly, I do really think the movie flows a lot better, especially in the first half. I'm big on editing and flow, and the theatrical cut just had none of it. Even though I do think some of the added bits are superfluous, the movie has more of a chance to breathe and for me that made it a more enjoyable viewing experience.

You do start to feel it sagging by the end though, and I still pretty much check out of the film by the time we get to the Doomsday fight...I just don't care, Batman's sudden 180 still just feels forced, the stuff with the spear is just mind-numbing, and Blu-ray isn't kind to that CG either.

While I'd have to say I prefer the Ultimate Cut overall, I still think they tightened the theatrical cut too much and there probably could've been a happy medium somewhere around 2:40ish that made the film less choppy and disjointed without getting absurdly long. It definitely doesn't fix all of my issues with it and it certainly doesn't make me suddenly love the film, but I feel like at least I can see Snyder's vision as intended now and evaluate0 it as such.

 

[Greens]

Well besides being poorly acted by those extras/actors, it adds a little more to Clark. We see in the theatrical cut that he's cooking some (fake) eggs and turns to the tv to hear and see that Batman is branding fools and it leads to them being murdered in prison. He looks concerned and then the next scene with him is Clark sitting at the office looking at photos that some dude gave him, which shows prisoners dead or branded in prison. Now look at the Ultimate Cut where Clark is flipping some fake eggs, he looks to the tv and it's not even about Batman branding fools. It's that black lady asking how Superman chooses who lives, which lives count etc. He looks concerned and kinda heartbroken even though it's the same shot/reaction, i see it differently in that context. When he goes to investigate in Gotham i think it makes Clark look more like a REPORTER. He doesn't look lazy, waiting for some errand boy to deliver some pics and that's that. Nope, he's taking the trip by himself to Gotham and he's asking a handful of people.

Honestly, i do think it's a better version of this film. Chopping wood and all. Speaking of that for a sec, i do like Alfred's concerned look when he figures out what Bruce is up to. Again, adding a tad more weight to Alfred instead of only coming off like a sarcastic mechanic/butler who doesn't really give a damn about Bruce in the theatrical.

The Clark scene calling his mother actually shows a bit more humanity in him, with a simple phone call. It shows that he's thinking about running away from his problems. "I wish it more simple (than staying put)" - "Son, nothing is ever simple". Im paraphrasing, but it's tiny, and it does add a little something to Clark Kent. Both scenes do.

The UC is a way better version. It doesn't fix every problem, but it adds to pretty much every character and in some instances completely changes plotlines for the better.

 

[The Joker]

Greens, big avatar improvement. Now that's a scary clown.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Verily.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I was really confused when I saw the new pennywise the other day. Where is the contemporary take on the character?

Where is his bling bling? Teeth caps? His forehead tattoos!!!!! What a disappointment. Sad!

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Does he have toys?

 

[Greens]

Greens, big avatar improvement. Now that's a scary clown.

Seems like Hollywood has forgotten how to do any clown