The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 4

[shauner111]

After his energy project fell through, and he basically had nothing to try for any more as Bruce or Batman. But that's my point, why didn't he sort his knee out before he went on his big venture to help Gotham with the energy project.



I've seen the additional footage online. Doesn't help the movie at all. Superficial changes that don't fix the real problems. Its like putting a band aid on a gaping stab wound.

Im pretty sure it's not every scene. I thought I saw them all online too then I saw the cut and was surprised by more footage, how scenes were ordered differently in the first hour and how it truly does help the flow of the film. Like it or not. But sure, you're not going to love it all of a sudden.

 

[The Joker]

I think this is the worst line in the series for me. Not necessarily on it's own, but just the music's rising and intense, the scene's ramping up and then...that. It's like they wrote that down and said "Okay, just write this down and flag it in red, I'll come back to it later with something better" and then forgot.

Yeah, and we know Batman is capable of better comebacks than that. My personal fav was to Joker at the penthouse party;

Joker to Rachel: "A little fight in you. I like that"
Batman: "Then you're going to love me" *Punch*.

Now that's a good one liner.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

After his energy project fell through, and he basically had nothing to try for any more as Bruce or Batman. But that's my point, why didn't he sort his knee out before he went on his big venture to help Gotham with the energy project. When he still had something to live for before he became a miserable recluse.



I've seen the additional footage online. Doesn't help the movie at all. Superficial changes that don't fix the real problems. Its like putting a band aid on a gaping stab wound.

Maybe it's a separate injury sustained after. He was fixing the lights on the cave. Talking to the bats. And then suddenly fell and damaged his knee.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

There's only three things in the movie that are bad enough to make me cringe, and its Batman's lame comeback to Bane in the finale "No, I came back to stop you". Where's the trigger. And Cottiard's dropping dead acting.

I think this is the worst line in the series for me. Not necessarily on it's own, but just the music's rising and intense, the scene's ramping up and then...that. It's like they wrote that down and said "Okay, just write this down and flag it in red, I'll come back to it later with something better" and then forgot.

I don't hate it, it came after "You came back to die with your city".
Felt normal to me.

 

[The Joker]

Maybe it's a separate injury sustained after. He was fixing the lights on the cave. Talking to the bats. And then suddenly fell and damaged his knee.

I'm pretty certain Nolan confirmed that it was from the fall with Two Face.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Damn. I was just imagining him running around the mansion, happy it's been rebuilt brick by brick, at the highest quality, except at one isolated part of a staircase. The same staircase he falls on his ass on and destroys his knee.

 

[shauner111]

I hoped you'd list this one.

He fell on top of a taxi from greater height, and moved uninjured.
After the second fall (with Harvey) he drove his bat bike for a long distance, that's not an easy task for someone with an injured knee, and I talk out of experience.

Then you should be blaming TDK for having Batman walk away from the penthouse fall yet limping from the Dent fall. Rises just took that and ran with it. By that logic, TDK is more to blame.

He had to escape and his knee wasn't so bad that he needed a cane. That started happening after almost a decade of little activity, favoring it and not wanting to seek help. Also each film needs a bit of suspension of disbelief. We should have known not to look at every scene through an ultra realism lense once we saw the microwave emitter and Bruce lifting Ras with one arm.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Another scenario: Bruce lecturing three orphan Bros on the strength of brotherhood. He takes a log, breaks it on his knee to show the fragility of the individual. He takes three logs and tries to break it on his knee to show the solidarity of a brotherly unit. He also damages his knee in the process.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Then you should be blaming TDK for having Batman walk away from the penthouse fall yet limping from the Dent fall. Rises just took that and ran with it. By that logic, TDK is more to blame.

He had to escape and his knee wasn't so bad that he needed a cane. That started happening after almost a decade of little activity, favoring it and not wanting to seek help. Also each film needs a bit of suspension of disbelief. We should have known not to look at every scene through an ultra realism lense once we saw the microwave emitter and Bruce lifting Ras with one arm.

The way TDK played with it why I think the damaged knee came out of nowhere, and I blame it for that play.

That's a fair point about the microwave emitter, and more about grabbing Ducard/Ra's AlGhul with one hand only.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Then you should be blaming TDK for having Batman walk away from the penthouse fall yet limping from the Dent fall. Rises just took that and ran with it. By that logic, TDK is more to blame.

He had to escape and his knee wasn't so bad that he needed a cane. That started happening after almost a decade of little activity, favoring it and not wanting to seek help. Also each film needs a bit of suspension of disbelief. We should have known not to look at every scene through an ultra realism lense once we saw the microwave emitter and Bruce lifting Ras with one arm.

With the Rachel scene, did he fall on his knee or ass? It's poorly edited in the typical Nolan way.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

With the Rachel scene, did he fall on his knee or ass? It's poorly edited in the typical Nolan way.

I think he fell on his back, or side.

 

[The Joker]

He used his cape to break the fall in the Rachel scene. Whereas in the one with Dent it was a straight up fall. The only one to blame for milking the knee injury is TDKR. We saw Batman limping as he was running away at the end of TDK so we knew he was injured.

 

[shauner111]

Hahahahaha Tacit. These should have been deleted scenes.

Oh and I stand by that Blake scene. I still get emotional when I watch that scene with him and Bruce. The way I see it, most people would react like Blake if they went through that experience. He sees the pain, the phony act and he must be putting a few things together in his head like OK rich guy hiding something like I'm hiding hmmm. I wonder where Batman gets all those wonderful toys!? To me it's logic and that orphan connection Robin has with Batman. It also tells me that the character of John Blake was destined to be a detective. It shows his brain was working that way even at age 15 or however old he was at the time.

 

[shauner111]

With the Rachel scene, did he fall on his knee or ass? It's poorly edited in the typical Nolan way.

Bat-Penis. It's really hard so it broke his fall.

 

[The Joker]

He never mentioned putting two and two together about Batman and his toys. For all anyone knows Batman steals his gadgetry, or had some eccentric money bags financing his venture. He said he knew who Bruce was based solely on a look. It was common knowledge that Bruce Wayne lost his parents when he was a kid. Of course he was hiding the pain of that. That doesn't make him Batman.

It was a stupid writing.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Anyone thought the aftermath of that scene with Bruce and Rachel on top of each other and breathing hard was highly sexual? I know Nolan is a massive prude, but you just can't miss that on the editing room.

It got a laughter every screening I saw it in.

 

[The Joker]

Anyone thought the aftermath of that scene with Bruce and Rachel on top of each other and breathing hard was highly sexual? I know Nolan is a massive prude, but you just can't miss that on the editing room.

It got a laughter every screening I saw it in.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

He never mentioned putting two and two together about Batman and his toys. For all anyone knows Batman steals his gadgetry, or had some eccentric money bags financing his venture. He said he knew who Bruce was based solely on a look. It was common knowledge that Bruce Wayne lost his parents when he was a kid. Of course he was hiding the pain of that. That doesn't make him Batman.

It was a stupid writing.

Yeah. I have a greater appreciation of Rises now but that scene is a bunch of nonsense. He wasn't the only orphan there. Or the only Orphan who violently lost his parents. The fact that only he would put two and two together was lazy ass writing.

 

[shauner111]

He never mentioned putting two and two together about Batman and his toys. For all anyone knows Batman steals his gadgetry, or had some eccentric money bags financing his venture. He said he knew who Bruce was based solely on a look. It was common knowledge that Bruce Wayne lost his parents when he was a kid. Of course he was hiding the pain of that. That doesn't make him Batman.

It was a stupid writing.

Its not stupid writing just because some people need everything spelled out for them though. Some scenes have exposition but they also leave blanks for the audience to fill in for themselves. The guy had close to 10 years to get it right in his head or with detective work before presenting this to Bruce. I also take it in a slightly different way than you do. You seem to take everything on the nose but cinema is about interpretation and the grey area. For me, he means "I knew who you really were when I saw that look. I knew you were hiding a dark secret" not literally "I knew you were roaming around at night as Batman."

 

[The Joker]

Yeah. I have a greater appreciation of Rises now but that scene is a bunch of nonsense. He wasn't the only orphan there. Or the only Orphan who violently lost his parents. The fact that only he would put two and two together was lazy ass writing.

Exactly.

Its not stupid writing just because some people need everything spelled out for them though. Some scenes have exposition but they also leave blanks for the audience to fill in for themselves. The guy had close to 10 years to get it right in his head or with detective work before presenting this to Bruce. I also take it in a slightly different way than you do. You seem to take everything on the nose but cinema is about interpretation and the grey area. For me, he means "I knew who you really were when I saw that look. I knew you were hiding a dark secret" not literally "I knew you were roaming around at night as Batman."

It is stupid writing. Some Johnny nobody figures out the big secret that Bruce Wayne is Batman, that needs a full explanation. Big time. Mr. Reese figuring it out was explained and it made total sense.

This was flowery emotional baloney.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Didn't Blake say he knew it right then and there? Yeah. Lazy.

And Nolan is a painfully literal filmmaker. We aren't exactly talking about Gilliam or Lynch.

 

[shauner111]

Well I disagree and it's in my top 10 favorite scenes of the entire trilogy.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

You know, the whole Talia head shake death scene is noted for how awful it is. But Nolan definitely shot a similar death before.

Ken Watanabe's "death" in the snow section of Inception also has a similar head shake. It's quickly cut away so you don't notice it.

Nolan seems to have trouble with directing people dying slowly.

 

[shauner111]

I see it more as an old Hollywood thing. It doesn't bother me like most but I'm still unsure why he didn't use a different take. I bet there were 2 or 3 takes of that scene. Nolans problem is in the editing room. He's said it himself that he gets impatient and likes to edit really quick to maintain a certain energy. Sometimes it works well with such an expensive movie, but sometimes it backfires.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I never caught the name of any character in Inception.