The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 5

[titansupes]

I don't like the way the ears flow back, and not yet sold on the goggles... Other than that, I really like it.

 

[JackWhite]

Eh? That's all I've got.

 

[Reek]

it looks like the TDK suit and the black panther suit had a baby

 

[I Am The Knight]

I'm sure that he's joking.

 

[DoomRulz]

I rewatched TDKR last night for the first time in probably four years. It's even better than I remember. Tom Hardy is still awesome as Bane. He's charismatic and menacing and the lack of Batman works for me.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Do you guys wanna see Professor Pyg as a villain in a Bat flick?

 

[The Joker]

Yes. I love him. Great character. His side mission is my favorite in Arkham Knight.

 

[Slade W]

I wouldn't mind, but there are others that I would like to see before him. I would love to see Scarecrow as the main villain in a movie. I think Arkham Knight showed that he can be great in that role. If he was consistently portrayed like that, he would be an A-list Batman villain IMO.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Before Deathstroke was announced as the main villain in the Batfleck movie The Hollywood Reporter had a "Who Should Be Batman's Next Big Screen Villain?" poll.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-ben-affleck-movie-villain-who-is-it-920066

Results:

Bane 1.28% (265 votes)

Catwoman 1.85% (381 votes)

The Court of Owls 7.99% (1,650 votes)

Deadshot 2.94% (607 votes)

Hush 5.91% (1,221 votes)

Mr. Freeze 3.66% (755 votes)

The Joker and Harley Quinn 31.5% (6,504 votes)

The Red Hood 22.46% (4,638 votes)

The Riddler 14.35% (2,963 votes)

Two-Face 1.79% (369 votes)

Other: 6.27% (1,295 votes)

Total Votes: 20,648

 

[The Joker]

When did the Court of Owls get so popular for a movie.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Well, they've arguably been Snyder's biggest contribution to the Bat-Mythos.

Plus, they've been given some exposure through Batman vs. Robin and Gotham. They're (relatively) fresh, somewhat interesting and could make for intriguing background villains throughout Bat-Fleck's tenure.

 

[Kane52630]

I still need to finish reading Court of Owls

 

[I Am The Knight]

I still need to start.

 

[titansupes]

^ Me too.

 

[AnneFan]

Get reading. It's a great arc. I appreciate Morrison's run, but prefer Snyder's.

 

[Reek]

Before Deathstroke was announced as the main villain in the Batfleck movie The Hollywood Reporter had a "Who Should Be Batman's Next Big Screen Villain?" poll.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/batman-ben-affleck-movie-villain-who-is-it-920066

Results:

Bane 1.28% (265 votes)

Catwoman 1.85% (381 votes)

The Court of Owls 7.99% (1,650 votes)

Deadshot 2.94% (607 votes)

Hush 5.91% (1,221 votes)

Mr. Freeze 3.66% (755 votes)

The Joker and Harley Quinn 31.5% (6,504 votes)

The Red Hood 22.46% (4,638 votes)

The Riddler 14.35% (2,963 votes)

Two-Face 1.79% (369 votes)

Other: 6.27% (1,295 votes)

Total Votes: 20,648

I've been wanting a properly done Riddler for a while ...

Kane... don't start.

 

[Brother Jack]

Court of Owls would give an opportunity to delve into the history of Gotham and the Wayne family, which I've always wanted to see on film. Context is very important. Bruce's life is inextricably tied to the city and its ancestors.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Joe Dante’s Batman movie would have starred John Lithgow as the Joker

"Somewhere out in the cosmos, there exists a parallel world—an Earth-Two if you will—in which Jack Nicholson was never The Joker. A reality without that iconic mirror-smashing scene or the sublime weirdness of the “Batdance.” This is a universe in which we are all still arguing about whether Heath Ledger was a better Joker than John Lithgow. (Yes, even in this weird world, the opinion of Jared Leto’s attempt in unanimous.) As Joe Dante revealed in a recent interview with Psychotronic Cinema, he was given the chance to direct a Batman film before Tim Burton ever was.

“Well, the Batman that I was going to do would have been completely different from what they ended up making,” Dante said, before explaining that the vision he and screenwriter Tom Mankiewicz (an uncredited writer on Gremlins) had for the film “was certainly darker than the TV version,” which was still what mainstream audiences associated with Batman. “It started with his parents being killed, and it was a revenge story. But it was very outlandish, had a lot of giant props in it. The Joker was a major character in it. I wanted to hire John Lithgow for that part because I had met him on The Twilight Zone movie.”

Now, there are a few things you need to keep in mind here. The first is that Dante has made some very fun and extremely weird movies with some impressively dark undertones. (If you still haven’t seen Gremlins 2: The New Batch, you’ve got to put your life in order.) Another is that Lithgow would eventually go on to embody one of the most menacing villains in television history. His performance as the Trinity Killer in the fourth (and best) season of Dexter is simply masterful. So, these two guys could have made something fantastic. So, what happened?

“[F]or whatever reason, I started to gravitate more towards The Joker than towards Batman,” Dante said. “And I actually woke up one night and I said to myself, ‘I can’t do this movie—I’m more interested in The Joker than I am in Batman, and that’s not the way it should be.’ So I went and told them that I couldn’t do it, and they looked at me like I’d completely lost my mind. But in the end, I think I was not the right guy to do the movie.”

That’s a laudable attitude to take towards the creative process. Unfortunately, it’s also probably a big part of why Dante is directing episodes of Hawaii Five-O now."

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I also love Zero Year. It's funny, when it was first announced, I and many others dismissed it because how can it ever compare it Year One? Snyder knew this and he crafted he story that couldn't have been more different.

I think time is gonna be very kind to Zero Year. The next time they do Batman's origins again cinematically (hopefully a long way off), they should definitely steal from Zero Year.

 

[Slade W]

I also love Zero Year. It's funny, when it was first announced, I and many others dismissed it because how can it ever compare it Year One? Snyder knew this and he crafted he story that couldn't have been more different.

I think time is gonna be very kind to Zero Year. The next time they do Batman's origins again cinematically (hopefully a long way off), they should definitely steal from Zero Year.

I agree. I loved both the first and third part of the story. While I prefer Killing Joke as a story, I prefer Zero Year as an origin for The Joker.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I also loved how Snyder completely erased the mafia element from the origin and replaced it with natural disasters and domestic terrorism. I mean, who cares about the mob in the 21st century? Even in Batman Begins the mob element feels archaic. But with two devastating storms in NY city over the last few years, using that in Batman's origin was a masterstroke of modernizing the myth. And the Riddler was a fricking badass.

 

[The Joker]

Joe Dante’s Batman movie would have starred John Lithgow as the Joker

"Somewhere out in the cosmos, there exists a parallel world—an Earth-Two if you will—in which Jack Nicholson was never The Joker. A reality without that iconic mirror-smashing scene or the sublime weirdness of the “Batdance.” This is a universe in which we are all still arguing about whether Heath Ledger was a better Joker than John Lithgow. (Yes, even in this weird world, the opinion of Jared Leto’s attempt in unanimous.) As Joe Dante revealed in a recent interview with Psychotronic Cinema, he was given the chance to direct a Batman film before Tim Burton ever was.

“Well, the Batman that I was going to do would have been completely different from what they ended up making,” Dante said, before explaining that the vision he and screenwriter Tom Mankiewicz (an uncredited writer on Gremlins) had for the film “was certainly darker than the TV version,” which was still what mainstream audiences associated with Batman. “It started with his parents being killed, and it was a revenge story. But it was very outlandish, had a lot of giant props in it. The Joker was a major character in it. I wanted to hire John Lithgow for that part because I had met him on The Twilight Zone movie.”

Now, there are a few things you need to keep in mind here. The first is that Dante has made some very fun and extremely weird movies with some impressively dark undertones. (If you still haven’t seen Gremlins 2: The New Batch, you’ve got to put your life in order.) Another is that Lithgow would eventually go on to embody one of the most menacing villains in television history. His performance as the Trinity Killer in the fourth (and best) season of Dexter is simply masterful. So, these two guys could have made something fantastic. So, what happened?

“[F]or whatever reason, I started to gravitate more towards The Joker than towards Batman,” Dante said. “And I actually woke up one night and I said to myself, ‘I can’t do this movie—I’m more interested in The Joker than I am in Batman, and that’s not the way it should be.’ So I went and told them that I couldn’t do it, and they looked at me like I’d completely lost my mind. But in the end, I think I was not the right guy to do the movie.”

That’s a laudable attitude to take towards the creative process. Unfortunately, it’s also probably a big part of why Dante is directing episodes of Hawaii Five-O now."

I'm actually watching John Lithgow at the moment playing a psycho serial killer in Dexter. He's brilliant. In his youth I could totally picture him as the Joker.

 

[Slade W]

I also loved how Snyder completely erased the mafia element from the origin and replaced it with natural disasters and domestic terrorism. I mean, who cares about the mob in the 21st century? Even in Batman Begins the mob element feels archaic. But with two devastating storms in NY city over the last few years, using that in Batman's origin was a masterstroke of modernizing the myth. And the Riddler was a fricking badass.

Zero Year Riddler is my favourite version of the character. I need to read that story again. It has been a while. Out of interest, what did you make of the red hood gang? Do you think it was Liam Distal, who was the leader of the gang, who fell into the acid and became The Joker, or do you think he was replaced by someone else in the gang during the story who went onto become The Joker?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The latter. I like the idea that the Joker was a nobody before he became the Joker.

Edit: Didn't they later find Liam's decomposed body?

 

[Slade W]

You are right. They found a body, but lye dissolved a lot of the remains. I thought that made them unsure whether it was Distal's body, in addition to them not being able to tell when it was put there. After having a look back at it there, it only meant that they could not tell when it was put there, but it was Distal's body. If a swap did happen, I think it happened in #22 at least. The Red Hood leader was driving Bruce in a taxi back to his apartment and you could see his eyes in the rear-view mirror, and they looked like The Jokers. When he got out of the car, a lot of his face was covered by shadows, but the shape was similar to the Jokers. The speech he gave to Bruce in his home was also seemed a lot like something The Joker would say.