The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 9

[StarLord]

I doubt it, they already spend excessive amounts just for the reshoots.

If not then it sure will be interesting.

I can already picture the gifs and screenshots of Supermouth and the PS2 villain.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Who else wishes we had George Miller's Justice League movie instead?

 

[BatLobster]

I'd love to see George Miller direct a JL movie NOW. The 2007 one...eh. The timing was awkward, the script sounded dumb, Armie Hammer as Batman back then would've been weak.

I'm sure it probably would have turned out to be a better film, but I don't know...if we're talking "what ifs", I'd still take a quality Superman trilogy completed before the idea of doing a Justice League movie was even entertained.

Even Snyder was repeatedly saying during the promotion of Man of Steel that they had to get "Superman's house in order" before we can think about JL, and that JL was probably a "long ways off". Guess that was probably a result of Nolan's adult supervision. The moment Snyder realized he had his crack at doing a DKR-style Batman, he threw all that caution to the wind.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I'd love to see George Miller direct a JL movie NOW. The 2007 one...eh. The timing was awkward, the script sounded dumb, Armie Hammer as Batman back then would've been weak.

The first thing I would have found questionable about it was seeing two different Batmen on film in two consecutive years.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

 

[The Joker]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

BvS at the bottom of the list, even below B&R. Love it lol.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

I know The Killing Joke has a bad reputation, but to see it below Batman Forever makes me wonder how bad the adaption of the comic itself really is.

Batman Returns is better TDKR? Not really.

 

[The Joker]

The first 30 minutes of TKJ with the Batgirl/Paris Franz/Batman and Batgirl sex crap is what really lets it down. Conroy also sounds bored through the whole thing. Hamill carries it.......when he eventually shows up.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

"YOU ARE TEARING ME APART LISA" coming out of Batfleck's mouth made me laugh.
The second video of Movie Bob's analysis of BvS is hilarious and on spot, but this is the most outstanding moment.

The first 30 minutes of TKJ with the Batgirl/Paris Franz/Batman and Batgirl sex crap is what really lets it down. Conroy also sounds bored through the whole thing. Hamill carries it.......when he eventually shows up.

I'm proud I skipped it.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

BvS at the bottom of the list, even below B&R. Love it lol.

Right where it belongs

 

[Kane52630]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

BvS at the bottom of the list, even below B&R. Love it lol.

 

[Brother Jack]

Even Snyder was repeatedly saying during the promotion of Man of Steel that they had to get "Superman's house in order" before we can think about JL, and that JL was probably a "long ways off". Guess that was probably a result of Nolan's adult supervision. The moment Snyder realized he had his crack at doing a DKR-style Batman, he threw all that caution to the wind.

They really should have focused on Superman for a while before they ever thought about JL. A full on Superman trilogy, not necessarily with the tone of TDKT but with the breadth and leeway to explore the character and his surroundings. Clark is very much the bedrock of the DC universe and it was imperative that they get him right first before they did anything else, particularly since there hadn't been a successful live action attempt since the 70's. Ideally they would've never hired Snyder in the first place, but after MOS they had an opening to remedy their mistakes and do something better. But yeah, Snyder wanted to fulfill his dream of doing DKR and the studio wanted to haphazardly jumpstart its cinematic universe so we got what we got.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The first 30 minutes of TKJ with the Batgirl/Paris Franz/Batman and Batgirl sex crap is what really lets it down. Conroy also sounds bored through the whole thing. Hamill carries it.......when he eventually shows up.

I think Hamill's age is starting to show quite a bit now. He's still good, but it definitely strains his voice a little.

 

[I Am The Knight]

He gets called to play the Yoda roles now

 

[OutOfBoose]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

Happy to see Batman Returns in top 3.

 

[BatLobster]

"YOU ARE TEARING ME APART LISA" coming out of Batfleck's mouth made me laugh.
The second video of Movie Bob's analysis of BvS is hilarious and on spot, but this is the most outstanding moment.

Wow, he really gets to the heart of the matter in that second video. Very complete analysis of how we got here.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

He gets called to play the Yoda roles now

What does he have to do with Star Wars? I don't need to use sarcasm smiley for what I said

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Wow, he really gets to the heart of the matter in that second video. Very complete analysis of how we got here.

I don't fully agree with him when it comes to Batman's nightmare though, Superman's loyal army of humans made some bizarre sense within the context of that movie.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Disagree with his Knightmare opinion too. Loyal humans can be brainwashed/fanatics.

 

[BaelaTargaryen]

Nice observations about TDK from RPG.net:

https://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?809294-Little-details-I-liked-upon-rewatching-The-Dark-Knight

I ****ing love The Dark Knight, its probably my favorite movie, but its funny how despite seeing it a whole bunch of times previously great details still jump out at me every time I return to it. I rewatched it again today, and Here, in no particular order, are my current favorite little details:

-When Batman makes that awesome jump from the top of that Hong Kong skyscraper, Zimmer's score falls away and we just listen to his cape flap in the wind as he soars. This shot might still be my single favorite image of any superhero film ever.

-During the big truck chase scene, everything kicks off with the cops driving past a chilling (gorgeously shot) burning fire truck. At no point does anyone feel the need to state the obvious "joke" or its implications about what is to come, its just something that everyone involved including the audience understands.

-When Batman faces off with the Joker at the end, he's mauled by dogs (previously established as a relative weak point in his armor), which fits with the theme of the Joker overcoming Batman's material advantages through lower-tech means of destruction.

-That terrifying, ghostlike image of the Joker's face hurtling at Batman out of nowhere as he tries to use his sonar vision to anticipate the Joker's next move. Not just a gorgeous image, a nearly perfect visual metaphor for the Joker's overall role within the narrative and Batman's arc--meticulous, technologically advanced mechanism of control sent reeling by a being of pure screaming chaos.

-Batman's gadgets in this movie are ****ing great. Its definitely the best onscreen showcase for Batman the gadgeteer. I love how his using the tripwires to flip the Joker's truck is eventually mirrored by him using a similar trick to deal with the swat team in the climactic fight.

-The movie is extremely dense with foreshadowing, e.g. In Dent's first onscreen meeting with Gordon, he implies that there may be corrupt cops in Gordon's unit, and Ramirez is one of the cops he names. Later, she is revealed as one of the cops who sold out Rachel.

-When Dent is flipping coins to decide who lives and dies at the end, one of the people he flips for and points the gun at is himself. Its clear that he's not simply evil, he is broken on every level

-The entire big climactic fight is ****ing complicated--there is the drama on the two boats, Batman, Batman's crazy sonar vision being run by Lucius, the swat teams, hostages disguised as hostage takers, hostage takers disguised as hostages, and the Joker himself--and yet somehow its all edited so skillfully that it doesn't collapse into total incoherence.

-Its fun how many scenes in the film reference comics or other iconic action movies, e.g. Dent's first courtroom scene draws heavily from the scene in the Long Halloween where he gets scarred (though of course his scarring comes later in this film), the opening heist being packed with visual nods to the beginning of Heat, etc.

-The Joker's childish glee as he slides down that tower of money is just perfect. Everyone remembers him burning the money (and before that, the magic trick), but its the slide that gets me.

-Its really impressive how completely the theme of "the battle for Gotham's soul" is woven into the film. Its not just the Joker and Batman. Nearly every line of dialogue spoken by Harvey, Rachel, Alfred, Gordon and even Lucius is in some way an interrogation of the essential "order vs chaos" debate.

-Of all the loathsome things the Joker does, the fact that so many of his "minions" are actually deeply mentally ill people who fell through society's cracks and into his exploitative clutches might be the most despicable thing about him. "The Joker recruits from Arkham" isn't groundbreaking territory, but when combined with Nolan's realistic aesthetic it feels especially tragic. Harvey pointing a gun at one of Joker's men while flipping a coin for his life instantly goes from "badass" to "****ed up, pathetic and wrong" when we learn that the guy is some poor paranoid schizophrenic who was himself victimized by the Joker...a point driven home again later when the guy with the phone bomb inside him is clearly just scared and delusional and confused, which the Joker used to trick him into agreeing to surgery.

-So many of the minor characters in this movie get good moments or lines. The mafia bank teller in the beginning being such a hardcore badass just elevates the entire scene. And in the scene where the Joker goads the cop into attacking him, he doesn't just spout one insult, we see him slowly get under the cop's skin despite the cop clearly knowing better. The cop tells him he knows the Joker would just enjoy being beaten anyway, and yet the Joker still gets to him with that line about "when you see someone die, you really understand them. so in a sense i knew your dead friends better than you did. would you like to know which ones were cowards?" To which the cop gets the great response while rolling up his sleeves, "I know you're gonna enjoy this...so I'm just gonna have to enjoy it more." I mean, the cop obviously loses and plays right into the Joker's hands, but in his small way prior to that he still gets to be a cool character.

-I love how Bruce's demeanor subtly shifts at his dinner with Harvey and Rachel. On the surface he's playing "smug a**hole" the entire time, but Bale does a brilliant job showing how beneath the facade of rich jerk, and beneath the actual jealousy over Rachel bubbling beneath that, Bruce is developing a grudging but real respect for Harvey.Its just a really emotionally layered moment that Bale pulls off effortlessly, and is a great example of how his performance in this movie is a lot better than he often gets credit for.

-Bruce taking the entire ballet on his yacht just to set up his cover (and also **** over Harvey's date with Rachel) is probably my favorite "Bruce Wayne, heroic *****ebag" moment ever.

-The two key people on the boats are just so perfectly cast to look like stereotypical movie stock bad guys. The guy on the "law abiding citizen" boat agitating to push the button seriously looks like every a**hole bureaucrat, meddling neighbor, or supercilious lawyer in every movie ever. And the criminal demanding the button looks like the sort of guy who gets shot by John Wick 15 minutes into the movie. Which just makes it all the more rewarding when they both opt to do the right thing.

-The only moment where the Joker looks genuinely upset in the entire film is when Batman snags him after throwing off the building. Its so satisfying to see him in that moment where he goes from glee over thinking he's won by making Batman kill him, to genuine hurt and disappointment when Batman proves to be genuinely incorruptible.

-It is humanly impossible not to love Jim Gordon in this movie. He's just such a perfect blend of relatable everyman and big damn hero. The scene where he pulls off the helmet to reveal he was in the truck all along might be the most purely satisfying heroic moment in the movie.

-Lucius' gleeful "**** you" smile to Lau when he tells him the deal is off is fantastic.

-When Bruce decides he's going to turn himself in, Alfred doesn't so much as flinch or bat an eye at the prospect of going to prison as an accomplice. Also, he once burned down an entire forest to kill one a**hole bandit. Basically, Alfred is hard core.

-Cillian Murphy's facial expressions as Scarecrow are a goddamn thing of beauty.

 

[shauner111]

What's your sig from? I can't stop giggling.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I think MovieBob said it in his 'Really That Bad' part 1.

 

[Ryan]

Glad to see Batman Begins at number 2 at least. I agree with the impact it had on Hollywood and how to successfully reboot a franchise. Many have tried, but few have succeeded the way Batman Begins did.

 

[Awest66]

Every Batman Movie, Ranked from New York Times/Vulture. Includes JL.

I don't agree with putting TDKR below either of the Burton movies.

 

[DoomRulz]

I saw JL tonight; my thoughts, as posted on FB.

Justice League doesn't suck. But it's a giant pile of meh. It doesn't do anything new, the jokes fall flat, Ezra is a lousy Flash, Affleck is bored, Cavill is as wooden as ever, Gadot is...there, I guess, and Fisher is monotone. The majority of the film is a CG fest and the villain was a complete tosser.

I mean, it's more fun than BvS or MoS for sure, but so was Wonder Woman and that was excellent. This wasn't. Just give up, Warner Bros. You'll never catch up to Marvel.