6.15 Freak - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[ariellem]

it seems that chloe is going to have some sort of eye power. lex said keep an eye on her. then they zoomed to chloes eye, then to lexs eye.

Remember that ep when she got everyone to tell the truth? Maybe her power will be that she can get people to tell the truth if she locks eyes with them. That could be fun.

Or she could be able to tell, from looking at someone, *whether* they're lying - Chloe the Human Lie Detector.

Or she could be another Freak detector :->

Maybe she'll develop the ability to find lost needles in haystacks - her eyes will work like dowsing rods until she actually sees the lost item.

 

[triplet]

it seems that chloe is going to have some sort of eye power. lex said keep an eye on her. then they zoomed to chloes eye, then to lexs eye.

Hhmmmm...

Actually, I think that was Rosie's lame attempt at a visual bridge.

Spoilers have hinted at her having some sort of mental powers...

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

^ hey I "read" that same theory somewhere... cant quite put my finger on it though..... My "Kingdom" for a clue...

 

[04nbod]

i was just over at k-site, they suggest that she will get kryptonian powers. which really pissed me off, but its my own fault should never have gone!

any way to show-horn her in to DC continuity

 

[LostSon88]

Wow...that would make absoluetly no sense.

 

[AgentPat]

But I liked Freak a lot too, it also rose above the material. Good acting, better than average directing, although I think Rosie didn't get the best shot coverage...

I'm curious to know what folks thought was so great about the direction in this ep? It seemed rather average to me; there was nothing special to note. Examples of episodes that stand out for their direction would be Justice and Memoria. While I agree Freak was well done for a first time director, the ep was standard fare for SV, IMHO. Yes, it had great FX (thank you EntityFX), had Clark using all of his powers (thank you Slavkin & Swimmer), a larger budget to play with than a typical SV ep (thank you G&M, et al), but I still didn't see anything special in terms of direction.

Remember that ep when she got everyone to tell the truth? Maybe her power will be that she can get people to tell the truth if she locks eyes with them. That could be fun.

Heh. If that happens, we'll be barraged by fanboys arguing the show is ripping off Wonder Woman, just like they said about Green Arrow and Batman.

Or she could be able to tell, from looking at someone, *whether* they're lying - Chloe the Human Lie Detector.

I've been waiting patiently for the writers to introduce that ability - for CLARK. There is precedent for it in the comics, and it's something he *should* be capable of doing now. (heartbeat changes and whatnot.)

Or she could be another Freak detector :->

She kinda already is, no? LOL

I'd like to see them take the technopath approach, but DeKnight seems to be saying otherwise. Oh well. Bummer.

 

[The Sage]

Thinking about it, Freak may be the best episode I've seen this season after Fallout".

 

[Sam Fisher]

So will there or won't there be a new ep this week?

 

[lars573]

Wow...that would make absoluetly no sense.

Actually given the way this show likes to work. Chloe will develop some sort of power. And it will drive her apes--t. Clark will stop her. From their 2 ways.

1.Her powers are gone. To be brought back when ever the writers get lazy.

2.She gets a permanent and stable ability.

Personally I think that they could give her Kryptonian abilities. Clark stopping her gives her fatal wounds. Clark not wanting to loose anyone else he cares about drags her to the fortress and pouts until Jor-El iac saves her. But as her mortal life is over he will have to make her a kryptionian. Then, BAM instant Supergirl.

 

[LostSon88]

Chloe...Supergirl?

Ew.

 

[AgentPat]

But you are sounding dangerously close like a Chloiser.

If wanting to see the characters move forward towards their ultimate destinies vs dwelling in the past makes me a "Chloiser," then so be it.

I think they could go there, and make it work, without having it be the focus of the show. The whole "once they get together it's over" Moonlighting b.s. is a copout. IMO.

Considering it HAS been the focus of the show, I don't know how they could ignore it going forward. As to the Moonlighting concern, it's a common failing for shows where two characters have great chemistry, a playful yet adversarial relationship - often with sexual innuendo (Cheers, Northern Exposure, X-Files, Lois & Clark, etc), but once the show's writers break the barrier between those characters, the shows often lose the very thing that kept them interesting: "will they or won't they?" In the case of SV, G&M broke their own rule (big surprise there), when they got Clark and Lana back together again *after* they said they wouldn't after the picnic scene in Exodus.

And because I think THIS will and should happen at the end of the series, having them together up until then will only make it that much more bittersweet for both characters, not to mention dramatic in terms of the overall series.

It's a tough call, I think. We spent over five years on the Clark/Lana rollercoaster. Putting them back together again only to break them up again does seem pointless to me. I'd rather she find out about Clark NOW (however the writers want to do it), so the bittersweet end can happen NOW. This frees the writers up to move Clark forward with new stories. It's one of the things SV has gained a reputation for doing: they continually mix it up and introduce new challenges for the characters to work around, which keeps things fresh. Series that let themselves bog down in status quo lose fan interest over time. G&M may simply want to move on, but I guess we'll see come the end of this season. I think if the intent is to put Clark and Lana back together, we'll know by the S6 finale.

I thought Hydro sucked.

Hee. I really enjoyed Hydro. Guess it's the "Cloiser" in me.

 

[lars573]

Howmany other Kryptonians have lived for more than 5 minutes on earth? I know it's a crazy idea. But so is having Lois meet Clark before the Planet, and live on the Kent farm. And having Jimmy be the same age as Clark. SV does crazy crap with the Superman mythos. But I'll admit that making Chole Supergirl would be the Don-mega of crazy things they've done. Making her into say Powergirl could be a compromise.

 

[LostSon88]

Well...she's definately got the chest for Powergirl. t:

 

[The Sage]

Actually I take that back, I think Labyrinth was the best episode of the season next to Fallout. "Freak" comes after that somewhere.

And I hope Lana and Clark don't get back together again. EVER.

 

[ariellem]

[re: making people tell the truth with her eyes]
Heh. If that happens, we'll be barraged by fanboys arguing the show is ripping off Wonder Woman, just like they said about Green Arrow and Batman.

[re: Chloe the Human Lie-Detector]
I've been waiting patiently for the writers to introduce that ability - for CLARK. There is precedent for it in the comics, and it's something he *should* be capable of doing now. (heartbeat changes and whatnot.)

[re: Chloe the Freak-Detector]
She kinda already is, no? LOL

I'd like to see them take the technopath approach, but DeKnight seems to be saying otherwise. Oh well. Bummer.

Okay, we'll combine all of these. Chloe's power: she can stare at a computer and know if it's lying (if all is not as it seems, if there's a back door, etc.). Or she'll be able to tell when Cyborg is lying and no one else.
<LOL>

Yes, Superman is supposed to have a clue about whether people in his presence are or are not telling the truth - IF he's paying attention to their vital stats. That sounds sorta familiar from my long-ago comics readings. I think they basically went with that in the Reeves shows - seem to remember Reeves' Supes knowing which folks to believe & which were full of it. I think they've glossed over that in the movies, though - in all of the Reeve movies that I can remember, as well as in SR, Supes has been duped by Lex and/or Lex's girlfriends. "Heart palpitations," anyone? He has also had trouble knowing when Lois is telling the truth. Maybe he's only able to detect lies when he's not emotionally involved with the person he's trying to read?

 

[ariellem]

Actually I take that back, I think Labyrinth was the best episode of the season next to Fallout. "Freak" comes after that somewhere.

And I hope Lana and Clark don't get back together again. EVER.

Here's a far-out one: Chloe's ability will be to bring people back from the dead, from other people's personal desires. Chloe comes to the Kent farm. Martha says Clark's still asleep and would Chloe please wake him up. She goes up, calls him - no response. She goes closer, grabs his arm or puts her hand on his head (to see if he has a fever) - Alicia appears. Clark awakens and thinks he's still dreaming of Alicia... Could turn out to be a tragic ability, as the dead only regain life for a limited period of time...

There we go: taking care of Clark's romantic indecision, at least for now (he and Alicia would still be married, right, if she's alive???) AND Chloe's Freakdom all at once. And it would complicate things for as long as Alicia stays alive :->

We watched Solaris last night (Saturday), the newer one with George Clooney... Hence that idea...

 

[Serene]

Chloe...Supergirl?

Ew.

Haven't you heard? Chloe's ability should be flight, so that she can then teach it to Clark.



Okay, a little birdy told me that was a "suggestion" by some Chloe fan.

No further comment can be made without my head exploding.

 

[Whiteflag]

Haven't you heard? Chloe's ability should be flight, so that she can then teach it to Clark.

I'd hate that so much!

 

[blksuperman2]

Haven't you heard? Chloe's ability should be flight, so that she can then teach it to Clark.



Okay, a little birdy told me that was a "suggestion" by some Chloe fan.

No further comment can be made without my head exploding.

LOL. I could actually see SV doing that. But I mean it's obvious. Chloe's superpower has always been right in front of us. The girl is a super hacker. She can get into any CPU on the planet. She will become
























The Lawnmower Man................I mean Woman.

 

[triplet]

I'm curious to know what folks thought was so great about the direction in this ep? It seemed rather average to me; there was nothing special to note. Examples of episodes that stand out for their direction would be Justice and Memoria. While I agree Freak was well done for a first time director, the ep was standard fare for SV, IMHO. Yes, it had great FX (thank you EntityFX), had Clark using all of his powers (thank you Slavkin & Swimmer), a larger budget to play with than a typical SV ep (thank you G&M, et al), but I still didn't see anything special in terms of direction.

I thought he did well in terms of the performances of the actors. I mean, the freelancer director who's never worked the show before usually gets lousy performances from the regulars. Rosie did get wonderful performances, but some of his editing choices weren't all that great.

I thought the editors had a bigger impact on that than the directors, but not going by this episode. The editing was confusing at points and it usually isn't, so I'm ascribing that to directorial choices not the fact that the usually spot on editor suddenly forgot how to edit.

I've been waiting patiently for the writers to introduce that ability - for CLARK. There is precedent for it in the comics, and it's something he *should* be capable of doing now. (heartbeat changes and whatnot.)

Yeah, that'd be cool.

I'd like to see them take the technopath approach, but DeKnight seems to be saying otherwise. Oh well. Bummer.

The technopath thing wouldn't be a big stretch given her already proven hacking skills, unless somehow that's tied to another mental ability.

 

[04nbod]

Chloe...Supergirl?

Ew.

quoted for truth

here was my reply- i got pretty annoyed

[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]i'm a massive supergirl fan but would only want her if she was kara zor el cousin of clark. it would be nice for martha to have a child to look after considering clark is grown up now and she lost her other baby.

as for those who want chloe to be supergirl that is an insult to supergirl's character. its like saying brainiac is from new york and has magical powers. it is too big a part of the mythology to rewrite and just because you love chloe doesn't mean she should take another character.raya was about as close to supergirl as i could stand unless she was kara. i mean they gave her kara's death scene for infinite crisis for crying out loud!its true supergirl has not always been kara but as the chairman of DC says everyone thinks she is superman's cousin. its legend so you print the legend. the same goes for smallville

[/FONT]

 

[avidreader]

Haven't you heard? Chloe's ability should be flight, so that she can then teach it to Clark.



Okay, a little birdy told me that was a "suggestion" by some Chloe fan.

No further comment can be made without my head exploding.

Flutter, flutter, flutter.

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I rewatched this episode last night, and there was something that I picked up that I didnt notice the first time.

There was another meteor infected person that had been abducted who had the power of a clairvoyant the other was Dan the Man who had telekenesis. Both mind powers.

Spoiler

From the spoilers we know Chloe's mom has mind powers

I dont know if Tobias only had the power to see meteor infected people with mind powers, since they never addressed anyone else who had been abducted, or whether they were dropping a hint that Chloe's power has something to do with the mind/brain.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

I thought he did well in terms of the performances of the actors. I mean, the freelancer director who's never worked the show before usually gets lousy performances from the regulars. Rosie did get wonderful performances, but some of his editing choices weren't all that great.

I thought the editors had a bigger impact on that than the directors, but not going by this episode. The editing was confusing at points and it usually isn't, so I'm ascribing that to directorial choices not the fact that the usually spot on editor suddenly forgot how to edit.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the editing done in LA and Smallville shot in Vancuver. How can he be at the editing in LA while shooting in Canada

 

[avidreader]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the editing done in LA and Smallville shot in Vancuver. How can he be at the editing in LA while shooting in Canada

The editing would be done after the shoot, so he could fly down then. I think it was Tom Welling that said when he first directed, that they cant be in much of the episode just before and just after the one they direct, 'cause they need time to do all that kind of stuff.

 

[Whiteflag]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the editing done in LA and Smallville shot in Vancuver. How can he be at the editing in LA while shooting in Canada

As Avid said, the editing is done after the whole episode has been shot.