Fantastic Four reborn! - - - - Part 13

[jaymes_e06]

Why not knock off ALL the outlandish hyperbole that keeps going around? Y'all aren't happy with how the film is turning out. Cool. I get it. But the constant mining of ever last word in every sentence of every interview until something negative can be found is so tired. Your points are clear and can easily be understood without resorting to extreme reaching.

Why do you care so much what others post in a public forum?

 

[HR-PUFF&STUFF]

Why do you care so much what others post in a public forum?

its others post in a public forum.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

IF Fox is showing RESPECT to this franchise then RESPECT is what the FANS will give them, if they show lack of RESPECT to this franchise then lack of RESPECT is what they'll get.

Even if they had qualified script-writers, a decent budget, a better cast and enough time, and the full support of the studio, I doubt we could get a good film because of the lack of respect and knowledge regarding what the Fantastic Four are all about.

Fox is like a blind squirrel trying to find a nut and we're all shouting "There! There it is! Don't you see it?!"

So now they're going to avoid giving us the Fantastic Four AGAIN, for the third time because their excuse is they're going to give us an 'origin story' and make us wait for the real FF . . . who will be featured in a sequel that we'll never get because the box office for a low-budget origin story with Doom as a fifth Beatle will be lousy.

 

[Dasher10]

Has filming started yet? It was supposed to start yesterday. Josh Trank's Twitter is still deleted so I can't see production photos.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Here's a basic premise that Marvel and Sony (to some degree) get, but Fox refuses to accept: Superheroes should be heroes. They should be selfless protectors of the weak and innocent.

But Fox likes to make films all about the main characters. Look at both Wolverine films - they only work if you care about Wolverine and his small search for meaning in his life and his battles against those who are out to get him. X-Men is also largely about the X-Men rather than the humans who are relegated to the role of non-entities in the X-Men universe - background noise.

The first FF film was about the FF struggling with their powers and eventually battling a Doom who seemed to only care about them. They weren't protecting innocents - they were merely trying to survive.

And even the second FF film - which finally presented a real threat -managed to make it all about the FF and their petty problems.

And now, AGAIN, we're going to get a small story about small characters concerned with their small problems.

Fox just doesn't get it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Has filming started yet? It was supposed to start yesterday. Josh Trank's Twitter is still deleted so I can't see production photos.

Kinberg is saying the cast will show up next week and filming will start the following week.

 

[Dark Raven]

Kinberg is saying the cast will show up next week and filming will start the following week.

Even despite their start date of yesterday which was mentioned in the release they quickly put out in the wake of the rumours of Trank's dismissal.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Even despite their start date of yesterday which was mentioned in the release they quickly put out in the wake of the rumours of Trank's dismissal.

There are still a lot of questions, such as:

1. Why have we not seen any more requests for extras when that March release said there would be many more requests to follow?

2. Why do we only know 5 of the actors who will be showing up next week to shoot a $100 million film. Don't any of the others have twitter? Who will be playing Dr. Storm and the 100's of other characters?

3. Why have none of those 5 actors been officially announced?

4. Why was there SOOO much more information leading up to the X-Men shoot and next to nothing for this one?

5. With little more than a year until this film comes out, why didn't they do at least something at Wondercon to start building buzz . . . a teaser poster for example?

Kinberg seemed so sure of himself, that I expect to be hearing some reports from Baton Rouge next week.

. . . but it would certainly be interesting at this point if, after Kinberg's comments, we don't see any activity next week. Though I think that's unlikely.

 

[wobbly]

Has filming started yet? It was supposed to start yesterday. Josh Trank's Twitter is still deleted so I can't see production photos.

Latest word from Kinberg is they begin a week or 2. There's no sign of any production activity as yet (no word on any sets being built and so on), so no photo's. If they do start soon then we should see some photo's coming in from Baton Rouge soon after they begin.

Personally, I'm resigned to them going ahead. They may delay it a little further, in spite of Kinberg's 'no delay' comments (they have been delaying for the last year ffs), but I can't see them pulling the plug this late in the game.

If in the unlikely event they did can this, it would make Kinberg, the guy Fox have designated as grand overseer to their CBM's (groan..) look like a complete idiot.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Latest word from Kinberg is they begin a week or 2. There's no sign of any production activity as yet (no word on any sets being built and so on), so no photo's. If they do start soon then we should see some photo's coming in from Baton Rouge soon after they begin.

Personally, I'm resigned to them going ahead. They may delay it a little further, in spite of Kinberg's 'no delay' comments (they have been delaying for the last year ffs), but I can't see them pulling the plug this late in the game.

If in the unlikely event they did can this, it would make Kinberg, the guy Fox have designated as grand overseer to their CBM's (groan..) look like a complete idiot.

If I were, hypothetically, Fox management and I knew everything we know and I had big questions about this production (and/or had already decided to cancel it), I think I'd keep Trank in Baton Rouge doing his thing and putting the big pieces in place.

Personally, I think I'd draw the line at sending Kinberg down there and having him play along and/or ignorant of what was going on. And that's why I think they really are committed at this point.

. . . BUT, just because I would draw the line at making a fool of Kinberg doesn't mean that Fox management uses the same moral compass as I do.

So I don't completely discount the possibility that something very fishy could still be go on, but like you, I'm resigning myself to the idea that this is going to happen.

But Kinberg's comments - particularly those related to Doom that indicate they intend to make a similar mistake to last time . . . and could still give us Goat legs - make me less enthusiastic than I've ever been.

And I think 'less enthusiastic' is understating it. I'm getting close to completely losing interest. Kinberg's comments, combined with everything else we know, are making me feel like I made a bad choice in ever being an FF fan.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Kinberg is saying the cast will show up next week and filming will start the following week.

So now the script re-write guy is apparently the mouthpiece. No statements issued from Fox proper, of course. The whole thing is just

On the other hand Kinberg isn't going to go into an interview and say "No, we don't have a cast and we have no idea when or if filming will start. Nobody knows wtf is going on around here. It's a madhouse!"

I refuse to get my hopes up this late in the game but this still reeks of last minute posturing.

 

[Donut]

The cast members seem 2 be the only honest people out of this mess in terms of whats going on & what they know. At least Kate is at least

 

[Dark Raven]

Latest word from Kinberg is they begin a week or 2. There's no sign of any production activity as yet (no word on any sets being built and so on), so no photo's. If they do start soon then we should see some photo's coming in from Baton Rouge soon after they begin.

Personally, I'm resigned to them going ahead. They may delay it a little further, in spite of Kinberg's 'no delay' comments (they have been delaying for the last year ffs), but I can't see them pulling the plug this late in the game.

If in the unlikely event they did can this, it would make Kinberg, the guy Fox have designated as grand overseer to their CBM's (groan..) look like a complete idiot.

And none of Fox or anyone involved in this film look like that at all already.

 

[Tymminator]

So basically, they are supposed to start around the time DoFP come out?

 

[jaymes_e06]

its others post in a public forum.

What? And that doesn't answer my question. If people have a negative opinion about something I don't have a negative opinion about it is not for me to dictate how they should act. Because I don't care.

 

[The.Brotherhood]

Even if they had qualified script-writers, a decent budget, a better cast and enough time, and the full support of the studio, I doubt we could get a good film because of the lack of respect and knowledge regarding what the Fantastic Four are all about.

Fox is like a blind squirrel trying to find a nut and we're all shouting "There! There it is! Don't you see it?!"

So now they're going to avoid giving us the Fantastic Four AGAIN, for the third time because their excuse is they're going to give us an 'origin story' and make us wait for the real FF . . . who will be featured in a sequel that we'll never get because the box office for a low-budget origin story with Doom as a fifth Beatle will be lousy.

Long story short, JEALOUSY of others success lead to a greedy attempt on holding the film rights.


Been thinking if the X-Men / F4 franchises gets butchered enough to the point of absolute Zero Tolerance from the Fans, it may well be a start towards a 'Free the Mutants / 4' massive campaign.

 

[wobbly]

If I were, hypothetically, Fox management and I knew everything we know and I had big questions about this production (and/or had already decided to cancel it), I think I'd keep Trank in Baton Rouge doing his thing and putting the big pieces in place.

Personally, I think I'd draw the line at sending Kinberg down there and having him play along and/or ignorant of what was going on. And that's why I think they really are committed at this point.

. . . BUT, just because I would draw the line at making a fool of Kinberg doesn't mean that Fox management uses the same moral compass as I do.

So I don't completely discount the possibility that something very fishy could still be go on, but like you, I'm resigning myself to the idea that this is going to happen.

But Kinberg's comments - particularly those related to Doom that indicate they intend to make a similar mistake to last time . . . and could still give us Goat legs - make me less enthusiastic than I've ever been.

And I think 'less enthusiastic' is understating it. I'm getting close to completely losing interest. Kinberg's comments, combined with everything else we know, are making me feel like I made a bad choice in ever being an FF fan.

While I sympathise with the disappointment (which I whole heartedly share) I won't ever consider being an FF fan a bad choice. I grew up on those books and loved them. I won't let any Fox FFINO crap decades later spoil that truth for me.

Worse case scenario for me is I simply ignore this film and resign myself to the likelyhood I may never seeing the FF done properly in my lifetime. This pile may as well as not exist as far as I'm concerned.

 

[wobbly]

And none of Fox or anyone involved in this film look like that at all already.

Well, Kinbergs the first official source to publicly state, for a fact, they are starting in a week or 2. 'No delays', 'no recasts', they are going ahead, straight from his hack mouth.

So if that doesn't happen, his reputation (such as it is...) is shot to hell. That I would say is extremely unlikely at this stage though. They have their hand and however much of a busted flush it might look they have to play it out now.

But yeah, Fox and others involved in this have not done themselves many favours during the last few years of stalling either.

 

[Donut]

This movie has already been delayed 2 hell & back. Even after they hired Trank

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

While I sympathise with the disappointment (which I whole heartedly share) I won't ever consider being an FF fan a bad choice. I grew up on those books and loved them. I won't let any Fox FFINO crap decades later spoil that truth for me.

Worse case scenario for me is I simply ignore this film and resign myself to the likelyhood I may never seeing the FF done properly in my lifetime. This pile may as well as not exist as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah, you're right. It really hit me a few weels ago when I was watching Captain America and thought: "We'll probably never see an FF film half this good."

It would just be nice to have some hope (that wasn't completely irrational) that one day we might see a quality FF film.

 

[Ant-manic]

But Kinberg's comments - particularly those related to Doom that indicate they intend to make a similar mistake to last time . . . and could still give us Goat legs - make me less enthusiastic than I've ever been.

he didn't mention goat legs. and the mistake in Tim Story's version was making Doom a businessman with an American accent/only namedropping Latveria at the end. Kebbel's Doom might be entirely faithful to the character in the comics. he'll just have an actual link to the Fantastic Four because that makes sense in an origin film.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Not sure if this one was posted, but from a slightly different interview from Kinberg:

“This Fantastic Four movie is in some ways a reboot and in other ways just a stand-alone origin story. By the end of the movie, we don’t call them the Fantastic Four, they’re not celebrity superheroes. The tone of the movie is much more grounded and real and gritty — more in the direction of Chronicle than in the direction of the original Fantastic Four movies.”

Coupled with this:

“The idea of potentially having a crossover movie is very appealing but we’d have to figure it out, because there’s an inherent challenge to combining Fantastic Four and X-Men in the movie universe because they sort of exist in different planes or dimensions even,” Kinberg said. “In the Fantastic Four world, it’s a contemporary world, there’s no mention of mutants because otherwise they wouldn’t be that ‘fantastic.’ And in the X-Men world, as we’ve seen, there aren’t famous, celebrity-superhero Fantastic Four.”

So you're not calling them the Fantastic Four within the film, yet you won't mention mutants because that would make the foursome less 'fantastic'.

Seriously... what is the point of Fox making a Fantastic Four movie?

 

[P Supreme]

Not sure if this one was posted, but from a slightly different interview from Kinberg:



Coupled with this:




So you're not calling them the Fantastic Four within the film, yet you won't mention mutants because that would make the foursome less 'fantastic'.

Seriously... what is the point of Fox making a Fantastic Four movie?

This sounds atrocious man

 

[Dark Raven]

Well they could make them entirely without powers, and if there's no-one to compare them to, then anyone could seem fantastic within that grounded reality.

And since Doom gets his powers in the same way and at the same time, then anyone who counts will see that there are five of them. So not only will they not have the name, not be fantastic, but also the number will effectively be different too.

 

[Paradox1]

It's not a given Doom will have powers. According to reports there will be Doombots he can control with a thought. Technology wise in the real world there is already tech that can be controlled with a thought. It's rudementry control right now in that can be used to control mechanical appendages.