The Avengers The Avengers Box-Office Prediction Thread - Part 3

[Marvin]

Speaking of the JLA movie, doesn't WB lose the movie rights for Supes in like 2 years because of the law suit?

Not quite. And some of that hinged on them actually being in production with said property, which they finally seemed to be.

WB and co. can only play stubborn for so long. Eventually they will just be giving money away. Not only does Marvel have "successful" individual properties but they have this event picture they can release ever few years. WB's end game is only one part of that? JLA has to happen and every executive that want's to keep they're over inflated salary knows this. Marvel has just demonstrated what is wrought from the experiment.

First a certain directors refusal to use 3D, then it's a non shared universe...I can't see WB playing yes men too much longer.

As for the logistics. WB only needs 1 of their properties to be mega successful(ala Iron Man), it needs at least 2 others to be somewhat solid and third it needs a character that is known by it's name and power set, somewhat like the Hulk is(this might be the flash). The rest can just be additional ala Hawkeye/Widow, only to be built on after the fact. If WB do this(and quite frankly it seems silly they haven't been able to already), they could be golden. Bat's is a stronger property at this moment then maybe even the Avengers, MOS can't suck as bad as Returns which would mean at least Thor money, and if they could just do one more solid. Perhaps a fixed GL property, they'd be in a viable position for JLA feature.

The only obstacle would be if they just just make batman uber in time, otherwise Morgan Freeman would have to tag along

 

[Gamma Burst]

I don't know if this would be a wise move for DC. In my opinion,The Avengers owes a lot of it's succes to the previous movies. The succes of movies such as iron Man, Thor Cap etc showed that marvel had succeded in making people like these characters. Of course, The Avengers movie on it's own would still be a great movie, but the succes of the previous movies adds to the impact. This has been building for years...and even the general audience who has no comic knowledge knows where all these movies would eventually lead to.

All of these factors contributes to the Avengers succes.

In my opinion, DC already missed the boat. If they were to make a JLA movie NOW, As things are right now in the DC movie verse, it would not have had the same impact/succes as The avengers simply because the foundation just isn't there.

Also things to consider in my opinion, People love the CURRENT version of Batman, and we still don't know if there's going to be a follow up to MOS ( at least I don't know).if they were to make a JLA movie, it would be with the new version of Batman and possibly new Superman too, and i's still remain to be seen wheter the new version will be succesfull or as accepted as the old ones...

So..in short..it's complicated. There's a good chance that it wouldn't work...at least in my opinion.

Agreed.

 

[Marvin]

It's not that the likes of Thor is all that successful but rather that it's all that Relevant! Same with the others.

 

[Juicy J]

I don't know if this would be a wise move for DC. In my opinion,The Avengers owes a lot of it's succes to the previous movies. The succes of movies such as iron Man, Thor Cap etc showed that marvel had succeded in making people like these characters. Of course, The Avengers movie on it's own would still be a great movie, but the succes of the previous movies adds to the impact. This has been building for years...and even the general audience who has no comic knowledge knows where all these movies would eventually lead to.

All of these factors contributes to the Avengers succes.

In my opinion, DC already missed the boat. If they were to make a JLA movie NOW, As things are right now in the DC movie verse, it would not have had the same impact/succes as The avengers simply because the foundation just isn't there.

Also things to consider in my opinion, People love the CURRENT version of Batman, and we still don't know if there's going to be a follow up to MOS ( at least I don't know).if they were to make a JLA movie, it would be with the new version of Batman and possibly new Superman too, and i's still remain to be seen wheter the new version will be succesfull or as accepted as the old ones...

So..in short..it's complicated. There's a good chance that it wouldn't work...at least in my opinion.

No I think you're spot on. It's highly unlikely that a successful JLA will be made within the next 5-10 years, in my opinion.
Marvel being the one to make the first ever true superhero team up movie also boxed DC in a corner. Now, no matter what DC does with the JLA franchise, they will be compared to Marvel and how they handled the Avengers, which has already set the bar very high.

 

[BigThor]

It's not that the likes of Thor is all that successful but rather that it's all that Relevant! Same with the others.

Hmmm...what do you mean exactly?

*looks intrigued*

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

No I think you're spot on. It's highly unlikely that a successful JLA will be made within the next 5-10 years, in my opinion.
Marvel being the one to make the first ever true superhero team up movie also boxed DC in a corner. Now, no matter what DC does with the JLA franchise, they will be compared to Marvel and how they handled the Avengers.

That is also a major point to consider.

The next move is for DC. it would be interesting to see what they would do. It's true that they don't really need the comic book movies, but c'mon...what movie studio wouldn't wanna add a potential big franchise to their studio.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

It's not that the likes of Thor is all that successful but rather that it's all that Relevant! Same with the others.

Thor movie was succesful enough to show that people actually liked the character. A movie doesn't need to make billions of dollars to be considered succesfull.

 

[kedrell]

WB is done with HP. The two Hobbit films are just that, only 2 films. After Christmas 2013 they're gone and done. What else does WB have to keep it going? Pretty much the DC characters and that's it.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

I don't know if this would be a wise move for DC. In my opinion,The Avengers owes a lot of it's succes to the previous movies. The succes of movies such as iron Man, Thor Cap etc showed that marvel had succeded in making people like these characters. Of course, The Avengers movie on it's own would still be a great movie, but the succes of the previous movies adds to the impact. This has been building for years...and even the general audience who has no comic knowledge knows where all these movies would eventually lead to.

All of these factors contributes to the Avengers succes.

In my opinion, DC already missed the boat. If they were to make a JLA movie NOW, As things are right now in the DC movie verse, it would not have had the same impact/succes as The avengers simply because the foundation just isn't there.

Also things to consider in my opinion, People love the CURRENT version of Batman, and we still don't know if there's going to be a follow up to MOS ( at least I don't know).if they were to make a JLA movie, it would be with the new version of Batman and possibly new Superman too, and i's still remain to be seen wheter the new version will be succesfull or as accepted as the old ones...

So..in short..it's complicated. There's a good chance that it wouldn't work...at least in my opinion.

Good points. I don't know the behind the scenes politics of WB, so maybe it couldn't happen anyway. I don't know if they missed the boat. If people start tiring of the genre in the next five years, then maybe.

There are no guarantees for individual characters outside of Batman. Flash, WW, Green Arrow, MM, risky if they follow the Marvel Model. Which would also mean a JL film is another five years away. By that time the MCU will have expanded even more and there will be at least one (if not two more Avengers sequels). Not to mention Marvel properties at other studio's. WB may want to strike while the iron's hot. Kicking things off with a JL film would give them the best chance of a huge hit out of the box. Then let everything trickle down from that. As you said, it may not be the success the Avengers is because of this route, but it will still be a big sucess. I'm not sure if the new Snyder film is self-contained like the Nolan films, but I'm sure they could make it work if willing. Even if the new Snyder film disappoints, putting the character in a JL film could give a potential sequel a big boost. Let's see what effect the Avengers has on the Cap and Thor sequels. I'm sure the revenue increases will be pretty significant.

 

[Gamma Burst]

Good points. I don't know the behind the scenes politics of WB, so maybe it couldn't happen anyway. I don't know if they missed the boat. If people start tiring of the genre in the next five years, then maybe.

There are no guarantees for individual characters outside of Batman. Flash, WW, Green Arrow, MM, risky if they follow the Marvel Model. Which would also mean a JL film is another five years away. By that time the MCU will have expanded even more and there will be at least one (if not two more Avengers sequels). Not to mention Marvel properties at other studio's. WB may want to strike while the iron's hot. Kicking things off with a JL film would give them the best chance of a huge hit out of the box. Then let everything trickle down from that. As you said, it may not be the success the Avengers is because of this route, but it will still be a big sucess. I'm not sure if the new Snyder film is self-contained like the Nolan films, but I'm sure they could make it work if willing. Even if the new Snyder film disappoints, putting the character in a JL film could give a potential sequel a big boost. Let's see what effect the Avengers has on the Cap and Thor sequels. I'm sure the revenue increases will be pretty significant.

Yeah, I think both will benefit greatly from the Avengers brand.

 

[Marvin]

Hmmm...what do you mean exactly?

*looks intrigued*

Sure

By my observation, Thor, in particular, is as "known" today with movie going audiences as say Spiderman was during his years. This isn't to say Thor will ever see a cent of what Spidey was making but his film being so fresh in every ones minds and also being involved with the biggest game in town has him at an level of ultra relevancy. If the character showed up on some sitcom tmr I'm sure no one would be at any disadvantage as to who he is. Quite different then before all this started.

I'd say he's as "relevant" in this moment as any of the Xmen were in the previous decade. My point goes on to say, what WB needs to do, very much like what Marvel has done, is make the characters liked and relevant. Mega success is actually secondary for the goal in question.

I also think WB is actually in a position where they can have a JLA film with a group of mega properties...but they'll probably mess that up.

 

[SoNicRaDiATioN]

Yeah, I think both will benefit greatly from the Avengers brand.

I'm hoping the Hulk does as well. I would love to see a new Hulk fim with Ruffalo. At the very least I hope we hear more about the TV series for ABC.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I'm hoping the Hulk does as well. I would love to see a new Hulk fim with Ruffalo. At the very least I hope we hear more about the TV series for ABC.

Sure. After the avengers madness stop, we'll probably hear real news about it.

 

[Chewy]

I think Hulk works better in the ensemble. The small amount of Hulked out scenes, due to how expensive Hulk is to render, is less jarring.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think DC was quitely trying to copy the Marvel formula but hit a brick wall with the Green Lantern fiasco.

 

[Chewy]

I think DC was quitely trying to copy the Marvel formula but hit a brick wall with the Green Lantern fiasco.

It really wasn't that quiet

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think Hulk works better in the ensemble. The small amount of Hulked out scenes, due to how expensive Hulk is to render, is less jarring.

Also he's more interesting when he plays off of other superheroes.

You realize why he such a bad ass when he spend most of the movie rescuing weaker superheroes.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Good points. I don't know the behind the scenes politics of WB, so maybe it couldn't happen anyway. I don't know if they missed the boat. If people start tiring of the genre in the next five years, then maybe.

There are no guarantees for individual characters outside of Batman. Flash, WW, Green Arrow, MM, risky if they follow the Marvel Model. Which would also mean a JL film is another five years away. By that time the MCU will have expanded even more and there will be at least one (if not two more Avengers sequels). Not to mention Marvel properties at other studio's. WB may want to strike while the iron's hot. Kicking things off with a JL film would give them the best chance of a huge hit out of the box. Then let everything trickle down from that. As you said, it may not be the success the Avengers is because of this route, but it will still be a big sucess. I'm not sure if the new Snyder film is self-contained like the Nolan films, but I'm sure they could make it work if willing. Even if the new Snyder film disappoints, putting the character in a JL film could give a potential sequel a big boost. Let's see what effect the Avengers has on the Cap and Thor sequels. I'm sure the revenue increases will be pretty significant.

That could work too...risky though. If i were them, just ressurect the world finest project that they've got going a while ago for starters.

And definitely do the Wonder Woman movie. I don't see why they're so reluctant to make one. Her name carries the same weight in pop culture as Batman or Superman.hell..in my opinion making a Wonder Woman movie doesn't carry as much risk as making a movie about a superhero called 'captain America' in these days and age.

If nothing else, make one just to prevent marvel from stealing the thunder should they decided to make a ms marvel movie one day.

 

[Paladin-Hoss]

Sure

By my observation, Thor, in particular, is as "known" today with movie going audiences as say Spiderman was during his years. This isn't to say Thor will ever see a cent of what Spidey was making but his film being so fresh in every ones minds and also being involved with the biggest game in town has him at an level of ultra relevancy. If the character showed up on some sitcom tmr I'm sure no one would be at any disadvantage as to who he is. Quite different then before all this started.

I'd say he's as "relevant" in this moment as any of the Xmen were in the previous decade. My point goes on to say, what WB needs to do, very much like what Marvel has done, is make the characters liked and relevant. Mega success is actually secondary for the goal in question.

I also think WB is actually in a position where they can have a JLA film with a group of mega properties...but they'll probably mess that up.

That's the point i was trying to make.

 

[Weadazoid]

I think the biggest issues faceing the WB/DC heroic line up currently are



GL big time money energy, risks spent with little to no reward

Clear issues a few years ago with Superman Returns.

Start and stop fails with WW and Flash


and the BIGGEST of all ..... the new godfather of films Nolan, has made it ever so painfully clear there is to be no cross polinating.

stand alone films don't pull togeather unless they are pulled togeather ...... now do we have to have cross over characters like Fury and Coulson, maybe not it could be done in a more subtle fashion


but Marvel has done it, they took the risk and they really pulled this one off and it's gonna pay off for a very long time

 

[TX85]

It's been awesome news on Avengers box-office results,Disney&Marvel deserves to be proud!!

 

[Iceman]

I think the biggest issues faceing the WB/DC heroic line up currently are



GL big time money energy, risks spent with little to no reward

Clear issues a few years ago with Superman Returns.

Start and stop fails with WW and Flash


and the BIGGEST of all ..... the new godfather of films Nolan, has made it ever so painfully clear there is to be no cross polinating.

stand alone films don't pull togeather unless they are pulled togeather ...... now do we have to have cross over characters like Fury and Coulson, maybe not it could be done in a more subtle fashion


but Marvel has done it, they took the risk and they really pulled this one off and it's gonna pay off for a very long time

This is the key thing. Avengers will make a billion dollars but this whole plan succeeding is guaranteeing many more billions of dollars for the future.

DC's universe is a massive asset that they are underutilising.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

This is the key thing. Avengers will make a billion dollars but this whole plan succeeding is guaranteeing many more billions of dollars for the future.

DC's universe is a massive asset that they are underutilising.

Which is why it drives me crazy when people justify WB's ineptitude by claiming that they're not dependent on comic book movies. Why do you ever need to be dependent on a valuable and profitable asset to justify using it? Maybe if they had a clue on how to use what they already have, they wouldn't have to waste time scouring the literary world looking for the next ready-made franchise.

 

[Raiden]

Is there estimate for Saturday figure?

 

[Saitou Hajime]

60m according to Deadline, but Nikki did drop the ball yesterday so I'm waiting on a certain poster from the Boxoffice.com forums, who tends to be more reliable.