The Relationship Thread: Because Superhero Forums are Full of Sexperts! - - - - - - - - - - Part 29

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It's very hard to remain friends with an ex...Because let's face it, there's a reason they became an ex in the first place! :woot:

However I am still friends with one girl I used to see, but that's because I still have deep feelings for her and she still likes me too, just not in the way she used to...
And I don't want her completely gone from my life.
 
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One woman on Pof that I met in person told me she gets ten messages a day.

I imagine being a woman on an online dating site is like shopping for cereal at the supermarket. You see 40, 50 choices and you ponder which is the best one. They might all appear interchangeable.

Congratulations to you on being a top brand of cereal. 4 dates in a short amount of time is impressive.

Well, some of the dates still have to happen! :cwink:
 
What do I do when I only have one best friend, and no other friends........
 
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Expand your social circle. Make friends with people that share your interests. Try some people from work for example.
 
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Honestly, no.

This morning she seemed to be really sincere and acted like she cared about how I was doing, because I was in a little depressed funk, but as soon as I mentioned last night, she flipped. She won't even admit that she made mistakes too and I can't accept that anymore.

Right now, she's asking for space. The only thing I'm trying to find out is will she bail out on me for a trip to see Phantom on Thursday. I bought the tickets weeks ago because its her favorite show and she's never seen it on Broadway, but in terms of scheduling and affordability, it was the only day I could go and that she didn't have plans for so it was supposed to be a big date that I invested a lot in. With things the way they are now, I feel like I wasted so much time, money and effort and I at least want to salvage that one day. I'm not trying to win her over, and maybe I should just take someone else, but I just want to at least be able to do this.

It's always felt like she's willing to throw me under the bus just to protect how others see her. And you're right, if that's how it is and has been, that's how it will continue to be and I feel like I deserve better.

I just wish I could do or say something to .. i don't know, make things better. Maybe not between us, but just to ease the pain.
It isn't just a feeling. You DO deserve better. Full-stop. Even when I was wondering if I was settling because I wasn't infatuated with my now-husband, I never ever questioned that he had my back. That is the absolute bare minimum for a relationship to be healthy.

As for Thursday, it's up to you. If you really want to see Phantom, go with someone else. If she really wanted to see it, you can just gift her the tickets and she can take someone or something. Or you could go together if you feel you want to see the show for the money that you paid. (I actually know someone who went on a long-planned trip overseas with someone he JUST broke up with, because he didn't want to "waste the money." Must have been fun....:o )

But I don't think there's anything to salvage with her by seeing Phantom with her. There's simply nothing to build on. It's not your fault, it's just incompatibility.
 
I guess part of me just wants to know what it feels like to date, because in all honesty, we didn't have that. We went from talking online all the time, to taking bus rides together, to making out in a staircase at 2am, to me staying at her house for a month, all while she had a boyfriend. She agreed to be my girlfriend while she was she "his". After he was out of the picture, our relationship consisted of me going to family dinners and baby showers with her. But we were rarely allowed to go out to the movies, or to the park by ourselves because she had a "schedule".

In the past month, we've gone shopping together, we almost saw a movie together, we went to a fancy dinner alone, we stood home and did arts and craft .... it was finally getting better. She said it herself, and it was something I felt months ago when I was worse off, which is that we love each other, but we're not in love. And I've been doing so much more now to try to rekindle that spark and it seemed to be working. But at the end of the day, she wasn't willing to make the changes on her end, for whatever reasons.
 
I guess part of me just wants to know what it feels like to date, because in all honesty, we didn't have that. We went from talking online all the time, to taking bus rides together, to making out in a staircase at 2am, to me staying at her house for a month, all while she had a boyfriend. She agreed to be my girlfriend while she was she "his". After he was out of the picture, our relationship consisted of me going to family dinners and baby showers with her. But we were rarely allowed to go out to the movies, or to the park by ourselves because she had a "schedule".

In the past month, we've gone shopping together, we almost saw a movie together, we went to a fancy dinner alone, we stood home and did arts and craft .... it was finally getting better. She said it herself, and it was something I felt months ago when I was worse off, which is that we love each other, but we're not in love. And I've been doing so much more now to try to rekindle that spark and it seemed to be working. But at the end of the day, she wasn't willing to make the changes on her end, for whatever reasons.

It sounds like she doesn't want to fully commit, for whatever reason.
 
I'm not even sure if you could truly love someone you can't trust to have your back. I feel like both of you were in love...not with each other but with an idea.

You can't rekindle a spark on your own. She also has to choose to act loving toward you too. At least hopefully you'll learn it faster than my sister, who tried for 3 unhappy years before finally throwing in the towel.
 
I guess part of me just wants to know what it feels like to date, because in all honesty, we didn't have that. We went from talking online all the time, to taking bus rides together, to making out in a staircase at 2am, to me staying at her house for a month, all while she had a boyfriend. She agreed to be my girlfriend while she was she "his". After he was out of the picture, our relationship consisted of me going to family dinners and baby showers with her. But we were rarely allowed to go out to the movies, or to the park by ourselves because she had a "schedule".

In the past month, we've gone shopping together, we almost saw a movie together, we went to a fancy dinner alone, we stood home and did arts and craft .... it was finally getting better. She said it herself, and it was something I felt months ago when I was worse off, which is that we love each other, but we're not in love. And I've been doing so much more now to try to rekindle that spark and it seemed to be working. But at the end of the day, she wasn't willing to make the changes on her end, for whatever reasons.

SpideyVille, I really feel for you man, truly.

From what you have said in several of your recent posts, it looks to me as if the relationship is coming to an end, from her point of view anyway.

If that is the case, it is unlikely that anything you do or say will make a difference.
But I am not saying don't try, just that you may not get the result you want.

Just be prepared for the fact that if it does end, you are going to feel very hurt. But it does get better in time.

Although I'd rather hear that it all works out for you and her. :yay:
 
It sounds like she doesn't want to fully commit, for whatever reason.
I was originally the one who had the idea that maybe she needed to be single way back when we started, because she hasn't been single in years and has jumped from one guy to the next.

The problem is, the only time she brings that up is when we fight about how she lets her mom control her. And the real issue is she wants people to make decisions for her because having too many options is overwhelming for her. It just pisses me off because she's pushing away things she likes and wants to try for the happiness of others who don't even know what she wants.

I'm not even sure if you could truly love someone you can't trust to have your back. I feel like both of you were in love...not with each other but with an idea.

You can't rekindle a spark on your own. She also has to choose to act loving toward you too. At least hopefully you'll learn it faster than my sister, who tried for 3 unhappy years before finally throwing in the towel.
I feel like there was love, but then reality got in the way. I think back to how her ex said he felt like she wanted him to wait on her hand and foot, and sure he was a jerk and sure he was controlling, but if I feel the same as him, I can't possibly be wrong, right?

SpideyVille, I really feel for you man, truly.

From what you have said in several of your recent posts, it looks to me as if the relationship is coming to an end, from her point of view anyway.

If that is the case, it is unlikely that anything you do or say will make a difference.
But I am not saying don't try, just that you may not get the result you want.

Just be prepared for the fact that if it does end, you are going to feel very hurt. But it does get better in time.

Although I'd rather hear that it all works out for you and her. :yay:
Thanks, we messaged each other last night and she wants to call me tonight when I'm done at work and she's done recording. From the sounds of it, it looks like she wants to talk about getting back together, but I'm conflicted because I feel like even if we did, the boat would still be sinking unless she actually does something.

I can't help but think about how things have happened and how it seems like she's granting people permission to disrespect me by not saying or doing anything. And I hate how I'm always being expected to bend over backwards. It's like, I asked my friend last night, I told her I would need to be paid for the photo a week before this became an issue. Her immediate response was I needed to talk to her agent, so why is her response now that I should've did it for free? If she really felt that way, she should have said something a week ago to me, without getting him involved. But I feel like his reaction sparked her to start to believe that because she'd rather be on his side, and it's just completely disrespectful because he doesn't even know her but she has more trust in his "protection".
 
I was originally the one who had the idea that maybe she needed to be single way back when we started, because she hasn't been single in years and has jumped from one guy to the next.

The problem is, the only time she brings that up is when we fight about how she lets her mom control her. And the real issue is she wants people to make decisions for her because having too many options is overwhelming for her. It just pisses me off because she's pushing away things she likes and wants to try for the happiness of others who don't even know what she wants.

I feel like there was love, but then reality got in the way. I think back to how her ex said he felt like she wanted him to wait on her hand and foot, and sure he was a jerk and sure he was controlling, but if I feel the same as him, I can't possibly be wrong, right?
From what you've described how she is, it seems that she's the kind of person who needs to be taken care of. If her "controlling ex-bf" complains that she wanted to be waited on hand and foot, that points to a major issue on her end too, no? Because people who like controlling someone don't typically complain about having to do too many things for that person. Controlling someone means you're taking on a lot of their responsibilities, after all. Some people like that, but if he didn't like that, that points to their relationship actually causing controlling tendencies in him.

It's certainly not unheard of. In my first relationship, I was a jealous b**** with low self-esteem because he was the same way, and that's how I responded to his behavior. With my husband, I honestly don't care who he hangs out with or who he talks to, because he's the same way with me. We respond to our partners' behavior.

She sounds like she really prefers being submissive and having other people make decisions and do things for her. She might feel like she "needs" to grow up and be independent, but if her default behavior is to rely on other people (never being single, allowing her mom to control her, going along with her agent even though they're not friends), then that's what she prefers and she should learn to be at peace with it. That works for some people, and she can make it work for herself too.

But it doesn't sound like you want to play daddy for her. It sounds like you want an equal partner, and honestly, that's not happening according to what you've told us. it's not fair for her to string you along like this, if you believe what she says and not what she does. Always pay more attention to what a person does instead of what they say. What they say can be a wishlist, but what they do shows their true character. And their true character is what you're actually having a relationship with.
 
Thanks, we messaged each other last night and she wants to call me tonight when I'm done at work and she's done recording. From the sounds of it, it looks like she wants to talk about getting back together, but I'm conflicted because I feel like even if we did, the boat would still be sinking unless she actually does something.

I can't help but think about how things have happened and how it seems like she's granting people permission to disrespect me by not saying or doing anything. And I hate how I'm always being expected to bend over backwards. It's like, I asked my friend last night, I told her I would need to be paid for the photo a week before this became an issue. Her immediate response was I needed to talk to her agent, so why is her response now that I should've did it for free? If she really felt that way, she should have said something a week ago to me, without getting him involved. But I feel like his reaction sparked her to start to believe that because she'd rather be on his side, and it's just completely disrespectful because he doesn't even know her but she has more trust in his "protection".

You're settling because even though we don't get everything we want in someone. The least we should get is someone you can count on. After that whole thing with her agent, I don't know how you can believe anything she says. Is she just placating you? Is she just saying things to make you happy? Anita said it, you want a partner and right now she can't be that, if ever.

If she goes through periods that she wants to break up because she can't handle it then she's not ready for an adult relationship. Relationships take work and they don't exist in a vacuum. You can't just want to be in one when everything is okay or during her down time between recording and performing.

I think you know what you want and what to do but it's natural not to want to cut the cord because I'm sure not everything is bad. Like I said, you're both adults, you aren't in HS. Your opinion should at least be on the same level as her mother's and higher than her agent.

We had a friend who was always so afraid of what her family said and thought. She did things to make them happy which at the same time devalued her relationship with my wife, then gf at the time. To make it a short story, she let her mother choose the godmother of her child, and she cried to my gf about it. The person her mother chose was a friend she was out of touch for years and only recently got back in touch during her wedding a year and half before. Meanwhile, my wife was friends with her since high school. They went on vacation together, and hung out all the time. And albeit, I had some influence on her, she realized what kind of friend doesn't fight for you if she was really important to her.

Would your gf fight for you?
 
Last weekend, I crashed at Darcey's place and we were up till 4 am talking and the next morning we got into a talk about relationships. She was telling me how she had thinks she wants to date someone that is in AA like us and I told her that I was glad I waited until 1 year sober before I really thought about dating again. It seems her sponsor is kind of steering her in this direction as well which I think is great. I told her how I wanted my next relationship to not be just a physical thing and wanted to have a real connection with that person. I was kind of telling her without telling her that I do like her, and I'm pretty sure she was picking up what I was putting down. I was kind of surprised that she made an off-hand comment about one of the reasons she finds me attractive so that was cool. I'm happy with where we are at now as friends, she is a great person and I'm very lucky to have such a close relationship with her.

My question is this if I were to chose someone that I would want to be in a long-term relationship right now it would be her. But I have already made up my mind that I won't even entertain that idea until she has at least one year sober. But I'm at a place now where I would like to have a girl I'm dating. That's why I as kind of thinking about doing the online dating stuff. Part of me feels guilty like I found what I want and I should just wait, but the other part of me feels like that's dumb because I don't know if she wants that in the future or what will happen in one years time. Also, if I start dating and I get in a relationship and then she does too then obviously we wouldn't be in a relationship.

I'm confused right now
 
From what you've described how she is, it seems that she's the kind of person who needs to be taken care of. If her "controlling ex-bf" complains that she wanted to be waited on hand and foot, that points to a major issue on her end too, no? Because people who like controlling someone don't typically complain about having to do too many things for that person. Controlling someone means you're taking on a lot of their responsibilities, after all. Some people like that, but if he didn't like that, that points to their relationship actually causing controlling tendencies in him.

It's certainly not unheard of. In my first relationship, I was a jealous b**** with low self-esteem because he was the same way, and that's how I responded to his behavior. With my husband, I honestly don't care who he hangs out with or who he talks to, because he's the same way with me. We respond to our partners' behavior.

She sounds like she really prefers being submissive and having other people make decisions and do things for her. She might feel like she "needs" to grow up and be independent, but if her default behavior is to rely on other people (never being single, allowing her mom to control her, going along with her agent even though they're not friends), then that's what she prefers and she should learn to be at peace with it. That works for some people, and she can make it work for herself too.

But it doesn't sound like you want to play daddy for her. It sounds like you want an equal partner, and honestly, that's not happening according to what you've told us. it's not fair for her to string you along like this, if you believe what she says and not what she does. Always pay more attention to what a person does instead of what they say. What they say can be a wishlist, but what they do shows their true character. And their true character is what you're actually having a relationship with.
The thing with her last ex was that he was known for being persistent, and I saw how it was first hand and that was the biggest reason why I felt the need to push a lot of things to the side to be there for her and with her. The fact that she didn't break up with him for a month spoke volumes, and ironically, she was caught in the same situation with him and the guy she was in a long-distance relationship with at the same time. Her ex found out, made a big deal and embarrassed her in front of their friends, and then walked out. A couple of days later, she claimed to have broken up with the guy and went back to her ex. But truth be told, that guy spent the holidays at her house and it wasn't until he was back home that he told her he was seeing someone else, thus solving the whole issue of which guy to pick. But as you can see, her ex had so many reasons to have trust issues with her, and in that sense, I don't blame him. I still think he was wrong for trying to force her into having sex when she clearly had a traumatic experience in her youth, and he was wrong for trying to be involved in every part of her life, but I know he's not fully to blame.

But I always tell her that her mom also tries to be her manager in anything she does, because she has the same type of strong personality, and in that sense, I share more with my girlfriend because I am also a shy and quiet type. But when they're someone outspoken and impatient with her, she follows them because she hates confrontations. Yet that's all she's been causing. And I realized, she doesn't make decisions based on who she will please, she will make them based on who she wants to disappoint less.


You're settling because even though we don't get everything we want in someone. The least we should get is someone you can count on. After that whole thing with her agent, I don't know how you can believe anything she says. Is she just placating you? Is she just saying things to make you happy? Anita said it, you want a partner and right now she can't be that, if ever.

If she goes through periods that she wants to break up because she can't handle it then she's not ready for an adult relationship. Relationships take work and they don't exist in a vacuum. You can't just want to be in one when everything is okay or during her down time between recording and performing.

I think you know what you want and what to do but it's natural not to want to cut the cord because I'm sure not everything is bad. Like I said, you're both adults, you aren't in HS. Your opinion should at least be on the same level as her mother's and higher than her agent.

We had a friend who was always so afraid of what her family said and thought. She did things to make them happy which at the same time devalued her relationship with my wife, then gf at the time. To make it a short story, she let her mother choose the godmother of her child, and she cried to my gf about it. The person her mother chose was a friend she was out of touch for years and only recently got back in touch during her wedding a year and half before. Meanwhile, my wife was friends with her since high school. They went on vacation together, and hung out all the time. And albeit, I had some influence on her, she realized what kind of friend doesn't fight for you if she was really important to her.

Would your gf fight for you?
I told her that I understand that there are supposed to be an order of rankings in her life. First comes family, obviously, but I feel like I should be right behind. But for some reason, I never feel that. I told her, it's like there's a dinner table and if I sit when it's empty, I'm expected to get up and make room for others, but if I show up later, I'm expected to stand or wait, and it's just not cool.

We are going to talk on the phone tonight, but the plan is to not ruffle too many feathers because I would like to see her in person tomorrow and talk things out in a place where she can't just run away or threaten to take my stuff back. Regardless of whether we get back or not, I need her to understand that she messed up to, and I haven't exactly handled things well when it mattered either, but the reason why things got so messed up was because she was not willing to fight for me or for herself the way she would fight for others.
 
I told her that I understand that there are supposed to be an order of rankings in her life. First comes family, obviously, but I feel like I should be right behind. But for some reason, I never feel that. I told her, it's like there's a dinner table and if I sit when it's empty, I'm expected to get up and make room for others, but if I show up later, I'm expected to stand or wait, and it's just not cool.

We are going to talk on the phone tonight, but the plan is to not ruffle too many feathers because I would like to see her in person tomorrow and talk things out in a place where she can't just run away or threaten to take my stuff back. Regardless of whether we get back or not, I need her to understand that she messed up to, and I haven't exactly handled things well when it mattered either, but the reason why things got so messed up was because she was not willing to fight for me or for herself the way she would fight for others.
If she doesn't think she's done anything wrong then you may be wasting your breath. Just speak your peace but don't try and get some sort of small satisfaction that she knows you're right. In the end, you won't know regardless, since she doesn't like confrontation and will just say yes to get out of an uncomfortable situation.
 
From booze a little over 30 days but she stopped smoking weed and picked up a new white chip about a week ago

I don't know what to tell you. A month sober doesn't seem like a whole lot of time. Maybe if it was 6 months?

Part of me wants to say be honest? I'm just not sure how that will effect her recovery and how much of a distraction it can be.

Cause let's be honest, relationships are not always sunshine and rainbows. A bad day can send someone vulnerable back to their old vices.
 
I don't know what to tell you. A month sober doesn't seem like a whole lot of time. Maybe if it was 6 months?

Part of me wants to say be honest? I'm just not sure how that will effect her recovery and how much of a distraction it can be.

Cause let's be honest, relationships are not always sunshine and rainbows. A bad day can send someone vulnerable back to their old vices.

Exactly, the two biggest causes of relapse are romances and finances. That's why I won't even think about until she has a year. But we have this really awesome close relationship right now so that's cool. If that's all this ever is I'm fine with that. But I don't think it's fair to tell her directly how I feel and that if she wants to be with me she needs a year sober. I kind of said that without directly saying that the other morning when we were talking. She is a psych major so she is pretty damn smart. But the most important thing is that she stay sober and I stay sober.
 
There is a cute girl in a class that I am currently an assistant in. While I am an assistant, I'm not a high level of authority. These students are no more than two years older than me. I don't think acting on it would be immoral or wrong. But I really don't know how to approach the situation. She's my type 100% appearance wise, so that's why I want to pursue this. I don't know if that's a bad thing to say. I want to know her more, but how? Should I just simply ask her out to lunch?
 
I've realized Skype is your best friend in a long distance relationship
 
So just a little update on the situation. Me and my "girlfriend" or ex or whatever have been on talking terms for the past few days. She started to accept blame on her behalf and started to see things from my side. She admitted to lying about talking to him finally and knows she messed up on the road leading up to things, and wants us to start over with the condition that this is it, the final straw, and that she is finally going to fight to keep me, as opposed to fight losing me. We had a long talk and to her credit, she listened to everything without getting angry or starting a fight.

Things were going ok so far, though. She's at a hotel in the city with her family for some Salsa Congress, and we made plans to see each other for a bit before I do a photoshoot with my friend. But for some reason, I started googling her agent and I found many clues that lead me to the confirmation that he has a very shady past. He has been a part of several music labels in the past 12 years, all of which don't exist. He was on the news talking about a graffiti tape he did, but then there's an article about his arrests for vandalizing. He also had a business with his wife in FLorida, which he later restarted here in NY, that had many complaints of things like credit fraud and identity theft.

I told her about it and showed her the proof I had, and she's breaking down now because she feels her career was a fraud and he was only using her. I was trying to wait until I see her in person to tell her, but it's out now and I don't know what to do. I'm obviously not going to get involved because this is her battle and her choice on what to do next, but she seems really devastated but doesn't want to talk about it yet with anyone. I just really hate that she almost left me to side with this guy who is clearly doing more illegal things that inflating youtube views.
 
I think it's good that you told her. Did you end up going with her Thursday?
 
I don't understand how anyone could have the mindset of a player. It's like finding an attractive place of employment, getting an interview, making a good first impression, working a day and then going out and searching for a new job the next day for no reason other than the fact that there are other attractive jobs out there as well. Why would anyone want to be in that endless cycle? I'm sick of it, I just want a steady job, a steady relationship, all this searching and trying to impress is getting really really really old. I just got dumped by my last job, one that I enjoyed, because they're so unorganized that they're so far behind schedule that there are just no permanent positions still. I'm sick of everything being out of my hands.
And all Tinder has done has made me realize how far removed from the rest of the world I am. I'm really trying to keep an open mind, but none of these girls have caught my attention at all. I'm still trying to get someone out of my head, but I almost feel like it's impossible. Should I settle for the next attractive girl that smiles at me on the bus? Should I date as many supermodels as I can until one stands out? Should I devote my life to work, become as successful as I possibly can in hopes that I'll find someone along the way? Or should I just say **** it and try to take what it is I want no matter how disastrous it could go... I really don't know. All I know is that now I need a job...
 
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