The Dark Knight Rises Why Batman WON'T Die in The Dark Knight Rises

[kthevs]

They talked a lot in the Empire article about Bruce finding peace .
I really think in the end Batman might be presumed dead and the movie will end with the wedding of Bruce and Selina or some other indication that he moved on and found happiness .

I would love it if that was ending. Bruce and Selina ftw.

 

[KalMart]

Nope. t:

 

[kthevs]

Nope. t:

Disagree. I would be very disappointed if he ended up with anyone other than Selina. They're both broken and no one can understand them other than each other. I think they'll both leave their vigilante days behind and will need each other. I love the chemistry between them in the second tv spot.

 

[KalMart]

Disagree. I would be very disappointed if he ended up with anyone other than Selina. They're both broken and no one can understand them other than each other. I think they'll both leave their vigilante days behind and will need each other. I love the chemistry between them in the second tv spot.

Selina/Catwoman has a place in Batman's life because he's Batman. If Wayne retires Batman for good and leaves it behind, he leaves her behind. She's not going to suddenly start anew, not be a thief/outlaw any more and do the domestic thing as the wife of billionaire Bruce Wayne....and they 'need eachother' AS outlaws/vigilante's, not outside of it...the 'broken' part is what they share, not the healing part. They're enablers for each other but once the behavior is dropped, then there's nothing to really connect them, except a very brief past (in this story) which at least one is leaving behind for good.

If Miranda isn't Talia, she's a much more sensible choice. I know the comic-fan would like to see Bats and Cats tie the knot or what have you, but this really doesn't seem that kind of story.

 

[kthevs]

Selina/Catwoman has a place in Batman's life because he's Batman. If Wayne retires Batman for good and leaves it behind, he leaves her behind. She's not going to suddenly start anew, not be a thief/outlaw any more and do the domestic thing as the wife of billionaire Bruce Wayne....and they 'need eachother' AS outlaws/vigilante's, not outside of it...the 'broken' part is what they share, not the healing part. They're enablers for each other but once the behavior is dropped, then there's nothing to really connect them, except a very brief past (in this story) which at least one is leaving behind for good.

If Miranda isn't Talia, she's a much more sensible choice. I know the comic-fan would like to see Bats and Cats tie the knot or what have you, but this really doesn't seem that kind of story.

Disagree for just the reason you said. The comics. Also, I'm 99.9% sure Miranda is Talia.

 

[KalMart]

Disagree for just the reason you said. The comics. Also, I'm 99.9% sure Miranda is Talia.

But this movie isn't the comics......so.....

 

[kthevs]

But this movie isn't the comics......so.....

We'll see.

 

[KalMart]

We'll see.

We'll see if it's not true that she's not referred to as 'Catwoman'...or if the haven't already taken departures from the comics in the last two films....or portrayed a near-40 Wayne who's taken the last eight years off from being Batman....or.....

 

[CrypticOne]

I would actually liked if Bruce died. They could always and are rebooting this, so it really doesn't matter how Nolan closes this one out. People act like the Batman story isn't going to be remade 50 more times on the silver screen.

It's something different, Nolan's trilogy, his take on a hero's journey. It closes his take on Batman so no other director or whatever can come around and pick it up.

Whatever happens, Bruce lives or dies, I just can't wait to see how this ends.

 

[KalMart]

I would actually liked if Bruce died. They could always and are rebooting this, so it really doesn't matter how Nolan closes this one out. People act like the Batman story isn't going to be remade 50 more times on the silver screen.

It's something different, Nolan's trilogy, his take on a hero's journey. It closes his take on Batman so no other director or whatever can come around and pick it up.

Whatever happens, Bruce lives or dies, I just can't wait to see how this ends.

It would be an interesting idea and approach....but if he's still in his late-30's or early-40's, it's almost impossible for that not to be a tragedy, even if it is a 'triumphant' death. And I get the feeling that these storyteller admire and sympathize with Wayne too much for that. They actually want to see him retire and try to live a more normal life in which he can be stable and happy...because he's earned it. That's why although a martyr-like glorious death could be thrilling, they'll probably have him retire and go on living because they want that for him out of care.

 

[Brother Jack]

At this point, I think I would prefer Wayne's fate to be left ambiguous. If handled correctly it would be Inception's spinning top of this movie and franchise, in which Batman's impact and legacy are the larger focuses.

 

[kthevs]

We'll see if it's not true that she's not referred to as 'Catwoman'...or if the haven't already taken departures from the comics in the last two films....or portrayed a near-40 Wayne who's taken the last eight years off from being Batman....or.....

I'm not saying it'll be exactly like the comics. I hope it's not. I'm not a huge comic reader by any means. I'm saying that going by some of what I've heard and read, they will have a romance, at least as batsy and catwoman. Not sure if it will go beyond that when they're just Bruce and Selina, but i love their chemistry in the 2nd spot. And I really loved the way she throws her arms around him and kisses him. Yes, I do think it'll be a kiss, judging by the fact that she didn't go for the chest area but rather threw herself at him, grabbing his neck.

That's all. We'll see.

 

[KalMart]

I'm not saying it'll be exactly like the comics. I hope it's not. I'm not a huge comic reader by any means. I'm saying that going by some of what I've heard and read, they will have a romance, at least as batsy and catwoman. Not sure if it will go beyond that when they're just Bruce and Selina, but i love their chemistry in the 2nd spot. And I really loved the way she throws her arms around him and kisses him. Yes, I do think it'll be a kiss, judging by the fact that she didn't go for the chest area but rather threw herself at him, grabbing his neck.

That's all. We'll see.

From what we've seen and heard, it'll be pretty minor altogether if at all. Certainly not something that'll make him suddenly want to spend the rest if his days not being Batman with her. C'mon, seriously. That's not even in the comics, as far as I can gather...do they spend a lot of time together outside of costume...do they go on romantic getaways as Bruce and Selina....? And they actually know eachother much better in the comics, too.

There'll probably be some tension and sparks...a kiss and hug here or there...but dropping the Batman and Catwoman persona and then getting married as Mr. and Mrs. Wayne? Incredibly thin.

 

[BatLobster]

I always viewed the BatCat relationship with a bit of a tragic undercurrent. They're two kindred spirits, they have the ability to love one another, they're hot for one another, and they both probably value their relationship. Problem is, it's really not meant to be. She crosses lines that Bruce can't and it keeps them from ever being able to truly see eye to eye and have a real relationship.

Now, this is an ending story and one in which Bruce will probably not be Batman by the end of it. Makes me very curious as to Selina's fate. Will she still be Catwoman if Bruce is done with Batman? I'd really hate to see her bite the bullet, though it's possible.

Truth be told, as cheesy as this sounds, if Selina could ever give up Catwoman and reform, I could see the two of them being a philanthropic couple like the Waynes, traveling the world, working for charities, fighting poverty etc. This hasn't ever happened in the comics to my knowledge, but with this film all bets are off really. And that might be the sap in me talking too. I don't actually want to see that happen, but it's a pleasant dream .

 

[bullets]

If Miranda isn't Talia, she's a much more sensible choice. I know the comic-fan would like to see Bats and Cats tie the knot or what have you, but this really doesn't seem that kind of story.

I'm a comic fan but not interested in seeing The Bat and The Cat tie the knot. It actually seems kind of preposterous given the circumstances of the story.


As for Nolan ruling out Batman 4.

I'm sure he had that intention and probably still does but things could change. I'll see where this film takes us. It might not even be in their best interest to continue after this depending on where it goes.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Yeah, in the confines of this continuity, ending up with Catwoman would seem rather strange. Moreso than it ever would have in Batman Returns.

I think it would be tragically poetic if Bruce ends up alone, at least for a while. But leave the audience with the knowledge that he can at least move on.

 

[Nevincer]

Say it with me:

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.

How many times do they have to make this clear to some of you before you'll believe it?

 

[Gianakin_]

Say it with me:

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.

How many times do they have to make this clear to some of you before you'll believe it?

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.

 

[batlovescatDC]

From what we've seen and heard, it'll be pretty minor altogether if at all. Certainly not something that'll make him suddenly want to spend the rest if his days not being Batman with her. C'mon, seriously. That's not even in the comics, as far as I can gather...do they spend a lot of time together outside of costume...do they go on romantic getaways as Bruce and Selina....? And they actually know eachother much better in the comics, too.

There'll probably be some tension and sparks...a kiss and hug here or there...but dropping the Batman and Catwoman persona and then getting married as Mr. and Mrs. Wayne? Incredibly thin.

In the comics, Bruce and Selina know eachother's identities. And yes, they have gone out and dates. And they've attempted a relationship several times in the comics. The reason why it DOESN'T work is because of them being Batman and Catwoman. Either one of them betrays the other, or one of them ends up being hurt (physically) because of a situation that the other person is in.

Bruce has said in the comics that the reason why they could never be together is because if she would ever be killed because of being with him then he would never be able to forgive himself. So if Bruce would stop being Batman, then that would be the perfect chance for him to be with her... if she was willing to do it.

 

[kthevs]

In the comics, Bruce and Selina know eachother's identities. And yes, they have gone out and dates. And they've attempted a relationship several times in the comics. The reason why it DOESN'T work is because of them being Batman and Catwoman. Either one of them betrays the other, or one of them ends up being hurt (physically) because of a situation that the other person is in.

Bruce has said in the comics that the reason why they could never be together is because if she would ever be killed because of being with him then he would never be able to forgive himself. So if Bruce would stop being Batman, then that would be the perfect chance for him to be with her... if she was willing to do it.

^ This. If there has to be a romance, I'd prefer form him to either end up with no one, or Selina. I am 99.9% certain he won't ened with Miranda because I think she'll end up being Talia and then get killed.

 

[kthevs]

From what we've seen and heard, it'll be pretty minor altogether if at all. Certainly not something that'll make him suddenly want to spend the rest if his days not being Batman with her. C'mon, seriously. That's not even in the comics, as far as I can gather...do they spend a lot of time together outside of costume...do they go on romantic getaways as Bruce and Selina....? And they actually know eachother much better in the comics, too.

There'll probably be some tension and sparks...a kiss and hug here or there...but dropping the Batman and Catwoman persona and then getting married as Mr. and Mrs. Wayne? Incredibly thin.

It's actually YOUR entire logic that is based off of the comics. We don't know how closely Nolan is going to follow those. In this, he might have them care more about each other as Bruce/Selina than Batman/Catwoman. In just the 2nd tv spot, they already have more chemistry than Bruce had with either of the Rachels.

Romantic getaways? Uh, no. I never said that the movie will end with them married or something. I said we could see them just starting off a romance as Bruce and Selina. We wouldn't know where it goes from there.

You're taking this whole thing much too seriously and passionately. Nolan might have him end up with no one. I think that's the likliest scenario.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm prepared for Selina to be very different from her comic counterpart by the climax. Specifically when she talks about not owing the city anymore, she seems to have gone through a change, the type that could allow them to be together unlike the comics as it may remove that grayness from her. We'll have to see. But I don't think it's the type of thing that would appease Catwoman fans as like Wayne she'd have to dispense with her theatrics.

 

[Naked Shia]

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.

 

[The_Raganork]

Say it with me:

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.

How many times do they have to make this clear to some of you before you'll believe it?

I don't care how much we say this people will not understand it.

At this point I'm hoping Batman and Bruce die so the majority of these people can have a heart attack and have their self-righteous horse mutilated from under them.

 

[Norek]

This is NOT the comics.

There WON'T be a Batman IV, there will be a reboot.