The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 5

[Chip Chipperson]

Good lord lol.

So what do you peeps think of Catwoman (possibly) not being in The Batman?

I think with the implication that Ben is most likely only doing one solo movie, people are kinda panicking that we won't get to see the full extent of his universe and are putting the idea in their heads that they need to cram in as many villains as possible.

but I get why she wouldn't be in the solo, she was already prominently featured in the last nolan film and perhaps they have plans for her in the Gotham Sirens/Birds of Prey film that was rumored to be in the works.

 

[The Joker]

This was brought to attention




I don't read modern comics, so I ask those who do which side has overall better quality, on average this year?
Top 50 selling comics of last months are like this:
21 issues from Marvel (a good chunk of it is Star Wars)
26 issues from DC
3 from other publishers

Top selling comic is something special:
Big Trouble in Little China/Escape from New York

I don't know what I love more, the fact a Marvel comic took the piss out of that mornonic Martha scene, or the ******** responses to it.

I haven't read a current DC comic in over a year. When Snyder (Snyders seem to be bad news for the DC brand) had Jim Gordon take over as Batman, I tuned out. Not paying good money for crap like that.

 

[shauner111]

I think with the implication that Ben is most likely only doing one solo movie, people are kinda panicking that we won't get to see the full extent of his universe and are putting the idea in their heads that they need to cram in as many villains as possible.

but I get why she wouldn't be in the solo, she was already prominently featured in the last nolan film and perhaps they have plans for her in the Gotham Sirens/Birds of Prey film that was rumored to be in the works.

I don't think he needs to cram them in there, but it would be nice if he had at least one scene for like a dozen of them IF he was doing Arkham Asylum (or a similar story). If he isn't then no. You don't need to cram everyone in the script Ben.

If this is the only solo film then yes i am worried that the essential characters like Catwoman, Two-Face will be benched. It's about time for Riddler and Penguin as well.

Deathstroke is cool because it's new. But when you set up a huge universe for the fans and say Batman's been out there for 20 years. You SHOULD make more movies or try to represent as many rogues as possible, while sticking to a story. It's difficult i know, but they set this up, they should deliver.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't know what I love more, the fact a Marvel comic took the piss out of that mornonic Martha scene, or the ******** responses to it.

I love that joke, I'm amazed it didn't get old, to me at least.

I haven't read a current DC comic in over a year. When Snyder (Snyders seem to be bad news for the DC brand) had Jim Gordon take over as Batman, I tuned out. Not paying good money for crap like that.

Doc Ock as Superior Spider-Man, Jim Gordon as Batman, Lex Luthor as Man of Steel, Doctor Doom and a teenager named Riri as Iron Man, Captain America as an agent of Hydra......

Wonder what other nonsense for which character they will think of next.

 

[Slade W]

This was brought to attention




I don't read modern comics, so I ask those who do which side has overall better quality, on average this year?
Top 50 selling comics of last months are like this:
21 issues from Marvel (a good chunk of it is Star Wars)
26 issues from DC
3 from other publishers

Top selling comic is something special:
Big Trouble in Little China/Escape from New York

DC Rebirth has been getting a lot of praise. Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke and Superman amongst others have gone over particularly well.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

DC Rebirth has been getting a lot of praise. Green Arrow, Wonder Woman, Deathstroke and Superman amongst others have gone over particularly well.

Sounds good on DC's side.
I still wonder how the Marvel side is doing.

 

[Slade W]

Sounds good on DC's side.
I still wonder how the Marvel side is doing.

Overall, I am not sure, but I have heard and read a lot of complaints about the main characters in different titles being replaced.

 

[titansupes]

Since DC Rebirth, the quality of DC's comics have been through the roof, almost line wide. Whereas Marvel have tied everything to a poorly received "event" (aka movie cash-in) called Civil War II, which is still going right now and drained all the oxygen from the line.

DC is absolutely ahead in terms of critical reception, fan reception, and sales.

So, y'know... the opposite of what's happening in the movies.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Since DC Rebirth, the quality of DC's comics have been through the roof, almost line wide. Whereas Marvel have tied everything to a poorly received "event" (aka movie cash-in) called Civil War II, which is still going right now and drained all the oxygen from the line.

DC is absolutely ahead in terms of critical reception, fan reception, and sales.

So, y'know... the opposite of what's happening in the movies.

Better to be ahead at something, than nothing.

 

[The Shape]

Since DC Rebirth, the quality of DC's comics have been through the roof, almost line wide. Whereas Marvel have tied everything to a poorly received "event" (aka movie cash-in) called Civil War II, which is still going right now and drained all the oxygen from the line.

DC is absolutely ahead in terms of critical reception, fan reception, and sales.

So, y'know... the opposite of what's happening in the movies.

Yeah. Say what you want about the DCEU, but DC is definitely killing it on the comic book side of things. I'm really enjoying Rebirth so far and I'm following nearly a dozen different titles.

 

[Brother Jack]

Since DC Rebirth, the quality of DC's comics have been through the roof, almost line wide. Whereas Marvel have tied everything to a poorly received "event" (aka movie cash-in) called Civil War II, which is still going right now and drained all the oxygen from the line.

DC is absolutely ahead in terms of critical reception, fan reception, and sales.

So, y'know... the opposite of what's happening in the movies.

There must not be a crossover between the comic and film divisions. Or between the live action productions and the animated ones. There have been exceptions, but overall DC's animated films and shows have been great since the early 90's. I don't understand why they can excell in that area and, other than Nolan, have such little success with their live action stuff since 1992.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

There must not be a crossover between the comic and film divisions. Or between the live action productions and the animated ones. There have been exceptions, but overall DC's animated films and shows have been great since the early 90's. I don't understand why they can excell in that area and, other than Nolan, have such little success with their live action stuff since 1992.

Could be that they don't have the right creative control over their live action stuff.

 

[Ryan]

At the end we find out Melania was the mastermind all along.

Now that is awesome!

 

[Auteur]

Could be that they don't have the right creative control over their live action stuff.

Now, I'm no comic book guy but isn't this the reason why this Geoff Johns dude is coming in for?

*insert Lucius Fox "Good Luck" gif here*

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Now, I'm no comic book guy but isn't this the reason why this Geoff Johns dude is coming in for?

*insert Lucius Fox "Good Luck" gif here*

That's what we're supposed to believe will happen.

 

[Ivan Drago]

I guess this is the best thread to ask this, but is there anyone on here who loved Nolan's first two batman movies and were utterly letdown by TDKR?

I think TDKR is a slog to sit through and a real misfire from Nolan. It has some scenes of brilliance, but overall the movie is just meh.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I think you'll find many people like that, including myself

 

[Spider-Aziz]

TDKR is cool.
Bane scares me more than Joker.

 

[Auteur]

I find the ending of TDKR to be quite weak but I still enjoy it a hell of a lot.

I'll take a "misfire" from Nolan anyday of the week over what we've been served up recently.

 

[Ivan Drago]

The editing is just weird, worse than any plot hole in the movie. The movie is too long yet scenes have no time to breathe, and many individual shots IN the scenes even feel weirdly truncated. Yet you also have time being wasted on extraneous subplots that don't go anywhere or really add to the theme or story in any meaningful way, like Matthew Modine's painfully cliche dick cop who gets killed in the battle. Like cut all that **** out so the other scenes don't feel like we're edited by someone with ADD on 3 cups of espresso. The Dark Knight did the whole fast paced editing style really well, because it felt like the film was in this constant state of climax and tension but it was very focused and there was still time to breathe in between. The sound mix kinda sucked too.

Also, after coming from the dark knight, it was really dissapointing how silly this movie was. Robin's orphan vision to tell how Wayne is Batman (maybe the script is rushing to get to the point as much as the editing and any reasonable way to find out would have taken precious time from our friend the dick cop), the robin reveal, everything involving talia, the goofy fly away with the bomb, every logical leap they Nolan had to make in order to get his conceit of Bane taking over Gotham to have massive fistfights in the streets (every cop trapped underground, the bridges etc), Wayne suddenly losing all his money after a known terrorist makes illegal stock transactions, Batman making jokes to himself in gravely voice, the giant burning bat symbol, catwoman, magic healing spine punch, and seemingly all the cheesy side characters that no one liked of the last two films, previously relegated to irksome one liners for the most part, are riddled throughout this and given tons of awful dialogue, the super cheesey ending with Wayne shacking up with catwoman...UGH there are so many eye rolling moments in this movie, it's soooo goofy. I just wanted another dark contemplative thriller after The Dark Knight with Batman forced to deal with the fallout of his new role as Gotham's bad guy and instead I got the cop from Reno 911 making jokes about old man Wayne.

Here's what I liked about the movie:
-Wally Pfister's cinematography
-The scale and ambition (tons of extras, the plane scene, the underground set)
-Tom Hardy
-the first Bane vs Batman fight

And that's it.

 

[I Am The Knight]

 

[Awest66]

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Also, after coming from the dark knight, it was really dissapointing how silly this movie was. Robin's orphan vision to tell how Wayne is Batman (maybe the script is rushing to get to the point as much as the editing and any reasonable way to find out would have taken precious time from our friend the dick cop), the robin reveal, everything involving talia, the goofy fly away with the bomb, every logical leap they Nolan had to make in order to get his conceit of Bane taking over Gotham to have massive fistfights in the streets (every cop trapped underground, the bridges etc), Wayne suddenly losing all his money after a known terrorist makes illegal stock transactions, Batman making jokes to himself in gravely voice, the giant burning bat symbol, catwoman, magic healing spine punch, and seemingly all the cheesy side characters that no one liked of the last two films, previously relegated to irksome one liners for the most part, are riddled throughout this and given tons of awful dialogue, the super cheesey ending with Wayne shacking up with catwoman..
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I honestly fail to see how any of those are any more "silly" or "goofy" than any of the leaps in logic in the previous two i.e Two-Face being able to function with half his face burned off without dying of infection is perfectly acceptable but Bruce simply having a vertebrae being inserted back into place is not.

Not saying this movie is perfect but to it's certainly not a "misfire".

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I just wanted another dark contemplative thriller after The Dark Knight with Batman forced to deal with the fallout of his new role as Gotham's bad guy
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Basically sums up most TDKR fan criticism, "This movie is bad because it didn't give me exactly what I wanted from a TDK sequel"

 

[shauner111]

I guess this is the best thread to ask this, but is there anyone on here who loved Nolan's first two batman movies and were utterly letdown by TDKR?

I think TDKR is a slog to sit through and a real misfire from Nolan. It has some scenes of brilliance, but overall the movie is just meh.

There's a lot here. We've all argued to the death about it and i'm sure will do some more in the coming years, but for now we're all pretty chill about it (i think Snyder brings Nolan fans together hehe).

I'm not one of those people though. I love Rises to death, and feel like the same amount of eye-rolling moments can be seen in the first two. Of course a lot of posters in this section of the board feel like Rises has more but i disagree with that as well.

the goofy fly away with the bomb, Wayne suddenly losing all his money after a known terrorist makes illegal stock transactions, Batman making jokes to himself in gravely voice, catwoman, the super cheesey ending with Wayne shacking up with catwoman..

I didn't think it was goofy.

Yeah what about Wayne losing his money?

Batman speaking to himself or others is just Batman to me. It's more than just a disguise, he becomes that character. No different than speaking to Lucius in TDK with the voice. And i laughed at that "joke", so i guess that scene worked.

Catwoman? Loved her.

That "super cheesy ending" makes me cry every time and i'm a grown man lol.

Some of the editing was rushed but only a couple of scenes in my opinion. If you call that ADD editing then what the heck was Batman v Superman or the bulk of action movies? I find Rises takes its time for the most part and lets everything breathe. Only some scenes like the hospital scene with Gordon and Bruce or the odd shot of Batman is a little rushed, but really? Blake and Bruce scenes, Bruce and Alfred, the first act is very well paced for the most part. Bruce escaping the pit, i thought that was edited well and creating the right kind of tension.

 

[Ryan]

The editing is just weird, worse than any plot hole in the movie. The movie is too long yet scenes have no time to breathe, and many individual shots IN the scenes even feel weirdly truncated. Yet you also have time being wasted on extraneous subplots that don't go anywhere or really add to the theme or story in any meaningful way, like Matthew Modine's painfully cliche dick cop who gets killed in the battle. Like cut all that **** out so the other scenes don't feel like we're edited by someone with ADD on 3 cups of espresso. The Dark Knight did the whole fast paced editing style really well, because it felt like the film was in this constant state of climax and tension but it was very focused and there was still time to breathe in between. The sound mix kinda sucked too.

Also, after coming from the dark knight, it was really dissapointing how silly this movie was. Robin's orphan vision to tell how Wayne is Batman (maybe the script is rushing to get to the point as much as the editing and any reasonable way to find out would have taken precious time from our friend the dick cop), the robin reveal, everything involving talia, the goofy fly away with the bomb, every logical leap they Nolan had to make in order to get his conceit of Bane taking over Gotham to have massive fistfights in the streets (every cop trapped underground, the bridges etc), Wayne suddenly losing all his money after a known terrorist makes illegal stock transactions, Batman making jokes to himself in gravely voice, the giant burning bat symbol, catwoman, magic healing spine punch, and seemingly all the cheesy side characters that no one liked of the last two films, previously relegated to irksome one liners for the most part, are riddled throughout this and given tons of awful dialogue, the super cheesey ending with Wayne shacking up with catwoman...UGH there are so many eye rolling moments in this movie, it's soooo goofy. I just wanted another dark contemplative thriller after The Dark Knight with Batman forced to deal with the fallout of his new role as Gotham's bad guy and instead I got the cop from Reno 911 making jokes about old man Wayne.

Here's what I liked about the movie:
-Wally Pfister's cinematography
-The scale and ambition (tons of extras, the plane scene, the underground set)
-Tom Hardy
-the first Bane vs Batman fight

And that's it.

I agree with most of this. I keep trying to come back to this movie and have
a better appreciation of it but I find it difficult. I do try to focus on the positives though. I really liked Hardy's performance. I"ve always hated Bane, but he actually made me like the character. I loved the first fight scene as well but felt that after that scene the movie kind of went downhill for me. I liked parts of Hathaway's performance but I never felt she completely reinvented the character for me the way that heath or hardy did of their respective characters. In all honesty, my bias probably comes from being a fan of smaller scale, edgy thrillers like Se7en and so The Dark Knight and to a degree Batman Begins fell more in line with my type of story telling.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Rises is the most Hollywood, dumb bimbo of the three movies, yes. But I also somehow find it the most emotionally affecting.