Fantastic Four reborn! - Part 7

[marvelrobbins]

Universal still has namor

Sony has Sandman so that hurts frightful four.

Fox and marvel share skrulls

Has people forgoten MS were more intrested In Silver surfer and Galactus In GotG.That's the most likely reason Feige was trying to get them Ine xchange for letting them keep
Daredevil.Fox would have been stupid to make that deal.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

This Is like people condeming batman Vs SUperman because they can't get over Ben affleck's early 2000' films and his time with jennifer lopez.

Well I'll confess I'm not sold on Batfleck either for those reasons. Ben's obviously a great director but I don't see where his acting skills have improved that much. I will love to be proven wrong however just because I don't want a Superman franchise getting dragged through the mud by a horrible decision.

 

[Zarex]

How would it harm both franchises to do an adaptation of the sequel to DOFP that had the FF in it?

The two franchises don't mesh well at all, which is why there have been less than a handful of successful team ups during 60 plus years of history at Marvel. Will the FF be reviled in the anti-mutant X-Men Universe? Will space travel and alien beings be introduced, despite not having existed for the first 7 X-Men films? In a world in which over 50 mutants have been identified - more if you count the "jumpers" from X-3 - what's so special about 4 people undergoing mutations from cosmic radiations? Why would a team of explorers spend time with a group focused on mutant rights and education?

In contrast, the First Family fits perfectly in an MCU which currently has just two human superheroes and explored the possibility of other worlds by the third film's mid credit scene. And Thing vs Hulk can't happen if FOX clings to the rights.

 

[marvelrobbins]

It served no purpose in the movie other than to force a connection to Iron Man and Iron Man 2



That is exactly what it is. People are focussing on Fox efforts from a half decade ago, rather than recent efforts

There are reasons to be upset with some of fox's past film but ever since they
first reduced Rothman's power and him later leaving fox things have changed
for better.Giving bryan singer the money and time to do DOFP alone Is proof of this.

Some ignore fox's contributes to comic book genre and scifi fantasy genre.They
helped revivie genre with X-Men and one of best films In genre was made at fox-X2

Plus they ignore many past greats of fox-Palnet of the apes,Star wars-fox owns A new hope,Alien series,Avatar.Plus X-files for television and producing Joss Whedon's pre shield TV shows.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Universal still has namor

Sony has Sandman so that hurts frightful four.

I strongly believe that Namor will somehow end up eventually at Marvel Studios ala the Hulk. Also Sony/Marvel have a good working relationship. They almost put Oscorp in the Avengers. They lent the Kingpin character to Fox for Daredevil.

Fox and marvel share skrulls

It's bad enough that we have two Quicksilvers. Can't they make it all work together somehow? It's a mess I tell ya.

Has people forgoten MS were more intrested In Silver surfer and Galactus In GotG.That's the most likely reason Feige was trying to get them Ine xchange for letting them keep
Daredevil.Fox would have been stupid to make that deal.

Actually that decision kind of baffles me. If Fox cherished the Galactus rights so much why did they turn him into a cosmic fart? They didn't have any confidence in the character to use him when they had the chance.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Even Marvel wouldn't use the character as he is. He's basically a giant HUMAN in space with a goofy helmet. They wouldn't even do an Asian Mandarin with Magic, something they've already used.

I wonder, if Marvel could've used the Skrull why use the crappy Chitauri instead

 

[roach]

Totally disagree. There is a strong Avengers/SHIELD relationship. Thor is an Avenger. Not even mentioning the Ultimates. (Well I hate the Ultimates - but the connection is obvious in that series.)

Also Nick Fury famously enlisted Thor's help against Beta Ray Bill which launched Simonson's classic Surtur Saga.

I can't recall any real great stories involving the X-Men and the Fantastic Four. I've heard the Claremont story is good. I need to check that out some day.

Days of Future Present
Fantastic Four vs the X-men (written by Claremont)

The child of Reed and Sue is a powerful mutant
Storm and Wolverine at one time became replacement members of the FF

so there are connections

 

[Incrediblejeff]

The two franchises don't mesh well at all, which is why there have been less than a handful of successful team ups during 60 plus years of history at Marvel. Will the FF be reviled in the anti-mutant X-Men Universe? Will space travel and alien beings be introduced, despite not having existed for the first 7 X-Men films? In a world in which over 50 mutants have been identified - more if you count the "jumpers" from X-3 - what's so special about 4 people undergoing mutations from cosmic radiations? Why would a team of explorers spend time with a group focused on mutant rights and education?

In contrast, the First Family fits perfectly in an MCU which currently has just two human superheroes and explored the possibility of other worlds by the third film's mid credit scene. And Thing vs Hulk can't happen if FOX clings to the rights.

The way I think Fox could handle the FF in the X-men universe would be that since they weren't born mutants and are seen as people who were mutated due to space travel.The public would see them as a tragic accident.The government would then see what good they bring to the world treating them as celebrities.

It could show the medias bias towards the F4 due to them being seen as heroes,and the X-men /Mutants would be reviled by everyone still.Things could get complicated once Franklin Richards is born,It could make the discrimination more complex if done right.


Also due to the F4 's space travel it could cause Alien worlds to take notice of the F4 seeing them in space,or Alien's can take notice due to energy readings or whatever.(idk)

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Dark Raven]

Even Marvel wouldn't use the character as he is. He's basically a giant HUMAN in space with a goofy helmet. They wouldn't even do an Asian Mandarin with Magic, something they've already used.

I wonder, if Marvel could've used the Skrull why use the crappy Chitauri instead

They wouldn't do an Asian Mandarin because they thought it was a racist stereotype. Tell me, what racist stereotype is Galactus? Which group of people is he going to offend if he's adapted as is?

And using the Skrulls straight away would've been incredibly complex and confusing to audiences. They haven't even established the Avengers team and you want them to introduce the concept of replacing them with fake versions who are shapeshifters and sowing seeds of distrust. They wouldn't even form as a team that way, with that level of distrust. There's no camaraderie or team spirit even developed at that point. Skrulls don't work for a debut outing. Hence why Whedon wisely chose a far simpler alien race who were given the name Chitauri as a nod to the comics.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Have the Phoenix force as something both the X-Men and Fantastic Four investigate. simples.

They wouldn't do an Asian Mandarin because they thought it was a racist stereotype. Tell me, what racist stereotype is Galactus? Which group of people is he going to offend if he's adapted as is?

He's a GIANT fricken HUMAN in a bright purple costume

No way could that work. You'd at least have to make him somewhat Alien looking

 

[marvelrobbins]

Days of Future Present
Fantastic Four vs the X-men (written by Claremont)

The child of Reed and Sue is a powerful mutant
Storm and Wolverine at one time became replacement members of the FF

so there are connections

Yep there are.

I own both of those stories.

They even snuck in a connection to franklin In x2 bu having his name on stryker's computer.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Even Marvel wouldn't use the character as he is. He's basically a giant HUMAN in space with a goofy helmet. They wouldn't even do an Asian Mandarin with Magic, something they've already used.

Well that's just silly. Of course Marvel would use him. Otherwise, why would they have tried to trade Daredevil rights for him? They didn't shy away from Asgardian viking gods and Captain America in a spangly red white and blue outfit. They wouldn't shy away from Galactus. Galactus is not racially offensive. (Unless there really is a purple planet eater out there - then chances are he's already offended by the comics and we're doomed.)

I wonder, if Marvel could've used the Skrull why use the crappy Chitauri instead

Joss already addressed this. He had his hands full bringing the Avengers together and felt the back story of the Skrulls (and the Kree) was just too much to get into and way too soon. He made the right call. The Chitauri served the needed purpose for the story.

Whereas Fox rushed to prematurely bring in Silver Surfer and Galactus in the hopes of boosting box office and utterly failed. Total wasted opportunity.

 

[roach]

The two franchises don't mesh well at all, which is why there have been less than a handful of successful team ups during 60 plus years of history at Marvel. Will the FF be reviled in the anti-mutant X-Men Universe? Will space travel and alien beings be introduced, despite not having existed for the first 7 X-Men films? In a world in which over 50 mutants have been identified - more if you count the "jumpers" from X-3 - what's so special about 4 people undergoing mutations from cosmic radiations? Why would a team of explorers spend time with a group focused on mutant rights and education?

Why do some people like the Red Sox and hate the Yankees? People like what they like however why they love the FF and Hate the X-men or mutants goes into their pr. At every turn in the Marvel universe people are told that mutants will replace them at the head of the food chain. That a war is coming and they mutants will take over. No one is preaching that your child will become The Thing or that Reed is secretly planning to take over the world.

In contrast, the First Family fits perfectly in an MCU which currently has just two human superheroes and explored the possibility of other worlds by the third film's mid credit scene. And Thing vs Hulk can't happen if FOX clings to the rights.

I agree that the FF fits better with the MCU....however Fox doesn't care about Marvel and the MCU. They, like every other studio, cares about making money. Fox letting the FF go back to Marvel doesn't help them in any way.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

They wouldn't do an Asian Mandarin because they thought it was a racist stereotype. Tell me, what racist stereotype is Galactus? Which group of people is he going to offend if he's adapted as is?

And using the Skrulls straight away would've been incredibly complex and confusing to audiences. They haven't even established the Avengers team and you want them to introduce the concept of replacing them with fake versions who are shapeshifters and sowing seeds of distrust. They wouldn't even form as a team that way, with that level of distrust. There's no camaraderie or team spirit even developed at that point. Skrulls don't work for a debut outing. Hence why Whedon wisely chose a far simpler alien race who were given the name Chitauri as a nod to the comics.

Wow. We must have shared a brain wave there or two.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Joss already addressed this. He had his hands full bringing the Avengers together and felt the back story of the Skrulls (and the Kree) was just too much to get into and way too soon. He made the right call. The Chitauri served the needed purpose for the story. .

Did not know. Thanks.

As for Mandarin they evaded the racial thing with Kingsleys mandarin, could've given him alien magic rings or whatever but they didn't.

They would do Galactus, but not as a Giant Human in purple

I agree that the FF fits better with the MCU....however Fox doesn't care about Marvel and the MCU. They, like every other studio, cares about making money. Fox letting the FF go back to Marvel doesn't help them in any way.

Pretty much. I have to laugh when people post to "give" the rights away :funny

Sony has Spider-Man, Fox has X-Men. Whether or not Fantastic Four remains with Fox is unclear. But no matter the outcome the movies are where they are and have been that way since before there was a MCU.

Get on board and deal with it. None of these rights talks change anything and none of them make those looking forward to the various non-MCU movies any fun when people troll the net ruining talkbacks and so on.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Have the Phoenix force as something both the X-Men and Fantastic Four investigate. simples.



He's a GIANT fricken HUMAN in a bright purple costume

No way could that work. You'd at least have to make him somewhat Alien looking

You sir dishonor the great Jack Kirby. I for one would gladly plunk my money down to see the giant dude in the purple costume on the big screen. I will puke if they ever do Warren Ellis' version.

 

[Dark Raven]

Have the Phoenix force as something both the X-Men and Fantastic Four investigate. simples.



He's a GIANT fricken HUMAN in a bright purple costume

No way could that work. You'd at least have to make him somewhat Alien looking

And he's going to offend giant humans in bright purple costumes?

If you make one point, then make it, but don't introduce the Asian Mandarin as support of your point, when it was for a completely different reason that he wasn't used.

And before the first Iron Man movie came out, I recall many people criticising how he looked like a life-size academy award and would have to be completely changed as he would never work.

But since you have such little imagination about Galactus, here's a pic of how he could be adapted without being in purple, while still being faithful to his look:

 

[Loki882]

First of all, EVERY studio is ultimately about making money, including Marvel. Also, Sony is has made billions off of Spider-Man, Fox off of X-Men, etc. Why would they want to sell the rights, it makes no sense? Also, Marvel doesn't need Spider-Man, X-Men, or FF. They're making tons of money WITHOUT them, so why spend billions of dollars to get the rights back when they don't have to? Besides, Marvel is already stretched thin with their current projects, and I'd prefer that they continue to give lesser-know properties a shot.

 

[roach]

Will space travel and alien beings be introduced, despite not having existed for the first 7 X-Men films?

You do realize this new X-men movie is gonna have time travel and giant robots.

 

[Dark Raven]

Giant robots who are humanoid in form and have purple on them.

 

[roach]

Giant robots who are humanoid in form and have purple on them.

yup

 

[Paradox1]

That pictures above is cool and all but he looks too human. I mean can we show a little more imagination of a being that eats worlds.Like can his skin be gray and you can see energy currents coursing on his skin.

 

[Zarex]

I agree that the FF fits better with the MCU....however Fox doesn't care about Marvel and the MCU. They, like every other studio, cares about making money. Fox letting the FF go back to Marvel doesn't help them in any way.

Rather than put out a very risky reboot of the First Family, FOX should do what Sony successfully accomplished with their Spidey franchise and cut a deal with Disney. With mutants having virtually no presence in Marvel merchandise, animation and live action TV, and with Marvel poised to downgrade the status of mutants in their comics, FOX needs to use the FF rights as a bargaining chip to strengthen their X-Men film franchise.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I just find it interesting that all this pro-Fox love emerges with this recent production news.

I think it's a relatively simple matter that FF fans are acutely aware of how Fox has treated the FF like a red-headed step-child in the past. Non FF fans just see Fox as a studio. When any story is featured on the main page, people who have limited interest in FF pop in and post, so that shifts the dynamic temporarily.

 

[roach]

Rather than put out a very risky reboot of the First Family, FOX should do what Sony successfully accomplished with their Spidey franchise and cut a deal with Disney. With mutants having virtually no presence in Marvel merchandise, animation and live action TV, and with Marvel poised to downgrade the status of mutants in their comics, FOX needs to use the FF rights as a bargaining chip to strengthen their X-Men film franchise.

Comics have proven to play no part in a movie's BO. Fox could care less if Marvel stops printing X-men books. It will have no bearing on the movie.