The Relationship Thread: Because Superhero Forums are Full of Sexperts! - - - - - - - - - Part 28

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I think the issue here is where/when does it go from her being cautious to you being strung along and essentially being used.

I'm all for being receptive to your partners feelings and needs, but if there is little to zero reciprocation, that is not something which anyone should have to put up with for any lengthy period of time.

However, it sounds as if you are aware of this. So good luck to you sir...
Right.

I think you're aware of those things JStorm, and you don't seem to be freaking out about them. Just thoughtful.

But whatever her issue might be, the fact is that she can't/won't commit to you, and nothing you can do will make her commit to you faster.

Only you can decide what to do next, with that information.
 
We are all obviously different. But I remember even the first month of dating, being excited to seeing them, making plans and just try and make time for them. That's just me and while I am patient, I wouldnt want to be committed yet not really know where I stand and where the relationship is going. Especially early in the relationship.
 
We are all obviously different. But I remember even the first month of dating, being excited to seeing them, making plans and just try and make time for them. That's just me and while I am patient, I wouldnt want to be committed yet not really know where I stand and where the relationship is going. Especially early in the relationship.

This describes a successful relationship in its early stages. You are still getting to know each other, but are keen to see the other person as much as you can and make the effort to make time for them. A relationship should develop naturally (at a pace both are happy with) and make you happy. If you don't get this then something is wrong - either they are playing games or just are not the right person for you.
 
Right.

I think you're aware of those things JStorm, and you don't seem to be freaking out about them. Just thoughtful.

But whatever her issue might be, the fact is that she can't/won't commit to you, and nothing you can do will make her commit to you faster.

Only you can decide what to do next, with that information.

Or how long you wait to see if she changes...
 
So every few months some girl I dated for a short while last year keeps bugging me and won't leave me alone. She was the one who called things off. I am fine with that and don't want to go back there because she was a bit of a cold fish, but she was trying to contact me a few months back and even tried contacting other friends of mine whom she doesn't even really know to try to get in touch with me. I mentioned this before in this thread about 3 months ago (and even back at the time it was going on).

And now recently she's messaging me again out of the blue wanting to meet under the pretence of trying to return some item of mine. It's a blatant attempt to just get me to meet her as I don't even care about the item and it's so insignificant that she must surely know that because of the type of thing it is which is so easily replaceable.

Why doesn't she get the hint all this time after all these attempts where I've not even responded? This is well over 9 or 10 months after things ended and where there's not even been any contact. Why is she dragging things out this way when it was just a relatively insignificant "relationship" that she made clear wasn't going anywhere at the time? Most people go their separate ways after these things, but not her! :wall:
 
This is really cool but I like my wedding topper better. :o

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The plot thickens - or whatever.

No need to re-hash. If you're not privy, just go read my previous posts.

For those that are privy - feel free to unleash the hounds and call me a chump.


I took most of the advice given, or at least the understanding and encouragement.

This past Friday, I had dinner with my boss at a local pub. While talking about the issue, a patron leaned in and said "pull the trigger. Quit whining and make it happen." He wasn't drunk - or being belligerent.

He over heard me talking to the boss and ascertained most of what we were saying. I'll lay some ground work/back story:

She and I had still been in light contact - texts, see her in passing, etc. Nothing changed, no negative feelings, no 'back off, sparky', etc. But I still was scratching my head on why she was being so aloof.

My boss - after his third gin and tonic - had a EUREKA. He grabbed my phone, read through the texts and said "you're not being pointed enough. You're texting statements, in which DO NOT require a response. If you guys texts, lightly, back and forth, throughout the day - or days, and those texts DO NOT require a response, don't get ******** about her not responding. You told her 'no strings attached; let's take it slow, etc."

At that point I got frustrated with him and her and said "I'll prove it to you." Keep in mind, this was right before the patron chimed in.

I text her "wrapping up with the boss, what's your night looking like?" It was pointed - I thought. My boss laughed and said "you're not asking the right question. You should have text, simply and directly, 'come over'."

This is where the patron chimed in. He leaned over and said "is this new, or are you two going at it?" I understood his point and said "yes, we've had sex."

"Then what's the problem?" he asked.

I replied, "I'm confused on why she is playing coy, why she doesn't respond, why the unnecessary radio silence."

"You're boss is correct," he returned. "You didn't ask for a date, for her to come over. You asked 'how's you're night going'. If anything, she has every right to reply with just an answer - not the response you're looking for. You're looking for her to say 'I'm at home chilling, come over'. Be pointed. Ask her to come over. Tell her you want to go over there. Don't leave any room for wiggle. If she plays coy, it's up to you to play back, keep it going, or let it go."

All of this is paraphrased, of course. And th^t statement is, essentially, what you all have been telling me.

She did respond, while I was still there with the boss and the patron.

"Just got home. Having dinner and wine with the pup. Well he's having a bone, but you get the picture."

I laughed and looked at my boss and said "see - this is childish bullcrap."

My boss paid the tab, shook his head and said "text her a direct question. If she blows you off - knowing she just admitted that she is free - you need to let this go."

So I text "Watch a movie? My place, or yours?" No response.

Fifteen minutes went by. I'd already made it half way home, when suddenly "sure. . but I'm not driving. You can come over here."

I was laughing at myself for being sooooo stupid. Called the boss, gave him the update, in which he laughed, then told me "go have fun."

We had a fun night. Nothing negative happened. We watched Iron Man 2, talked and stayed up until 2AM.

She even stated little things that made me feel better. All of this in no specific order, but you'll see my point:

Talking about one of her best friends: "You've haven't met her yet. But you will."

Talking about our pets: "Awh - Memphis likes me. At least she hasn't smacked me yet."

My allergies kicked in: "Did you bring medicine. What kind do you take. I don't want you weezing all night."

She drooled over clips of Thor and Captain America, then a commercial came on with a hot girl in a yoga outfit - I drooled. The popped me and said "that's ok. You haven't see me in my yoga outfit."

There is more of th^se the of interactions throughout the night. All of which made me feel more comfortable. It was like she was telling me, in so many words, that we are going in the right direction - the proper pace. It was like she was talking about the future - at least the close future - as if she already agreed with seeing me more, letting me in, etc.

The one that made me feel better was when we were talking about emotions. I don't remember the set-up, but she said "I've worn my heart on my sleeve, and I've been distant. Both didn't work. I'm trying to find middle ground."

It wasn't directed towards me - yet it was.



All of th^t to say that I'm confused AGAIN.

Saturday morning I left the evening feeling better about MY issues. I told myself those were MY problems and that she was taking it slow - like I told her to. She was willing to make time. Give her space and be direct. If she's busy - believe she's busy. Take each day for what it is, and let go the bullcrap that isn't needed or that I and misreading and projecting.

I had to be in her restaurant that afternoon for work. I bought two Red Bull's and left her one. I didn't leave a text or note, just left it behind the host stand. I've done this before - so she would know it was me.

Later that day, I got a text that said "I got frustrated because I realized I left my Red Bull at home. The a Red Bull appeared behind the host stand. My powers are finally manifesting."

She jokes about being Jean Grey - hence the "powers" comment.

A moment later, before I could respond, she text again "but really though thank you."

I replied, "don't thank me. You're mutant abilities are getting stronger. . . because I haven't been there today. . . :eek: . But you're welcome. ;) "


No response ALL day. Now I understand that th^t doesn't require a response. I didn't worry. Whatever.

Fast forward to yesterday. Still no response. No asking how I was doing. Radio silence.

One of my clients was being a diva. Over the top bull crap. I text her what was going on. I didn't need a response - wanted one. But understood. Nothing all day. Nothing last night. Still nothing.

Both of the texts, after our good evening together, starting with the 'red bull' text to the 'diva text' don't really call for a response. I get that. But to have a great night and then just fall off the map. NOTHING. I really feel like I'm the only one trying here. I also realize I'm probably reading WAY TOO much into nothing.

The best advice I've been given are from my buddy and Momma Storm. My buddy tells me to lay off the text. "Let it go. Call her. Maybe she wants more and she's waiting for you to act. She want's to know if this is real. She could be just as in the dark thinking 'why does he text me cutesy one-liners and statements? Why doesn't he act and follow up? Why doesn't he directly pursue me?" He feels she's laid the ground work. Now it's time for me to act and see where the chips fall. If I act - directly act - and she plays coy. . he believes that is my answer.

Momma Storm thinks it's imply disrespect. Sure, she doesn't HAVE to response to each text. But if she's into me - she should. Mom agrees with my buddy. Act - directly act - and if nothing comes of it, let her go.


Sorry for the long post. Like I keep saying, I'm trying not to whine. I want to be able to look at myself and truly say "you tried. You didn't screw this up by being a drunkass. You gave it your best shot."

I want to be completely honest with myself and her.
 
She may be into you but your expectations on how she should act may not be necessarily who she is.

If you want someone who is more attentive, maybe she can learn but maybe that's just not her.

I say give her a little more time and just see how it goes. But communication is key.
 
She may be into you but your expectations on how she should act may not be necessarily who she is.

If you want someone who is more attentive, maybe she can learn but maybe that's just not her.

I say give her a little more time and just see how it goes. But communication is key.

Pretty much where I am. I can only control me and my emotions. I have to believe if something negative did happen, she will tell me, or I will figure it out.

In both scenarios, all I have is me. Patience is a virtue and time ALWAYS tells.
 
She may be into you but your expectations on how she should act may not be necessarily who she is.

If you want someone who is more attentive, maybe she can learn but maybe that's just not her.

I say give her a little more time and just see how it goes. But communication is key.
This.

Some people are just more attentive than others. If you're the kind of person who needs regular check-ins, then she may not be the person for you. Not anyone's fault, really.

It's something I had to get used to with my husband. He normally doesn't talk about his feelings AT ALL and he has natural extreme poker face. (I can only sense for sure when he's angry, and I know him better than anyone else.) Even early on, the only reason why I knew he was still interested in me was because he kept asking me out. No other signs otherwise.

I chose not to worry about it, and to trust that he'd speak up if he really had an issue. If it's radio silence, he's perfectly content. :funny: It's worked for us for the past 6 years...
 
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This.

Some people are just more attentive than others. If you're the kind of person who needs regular check-ins, then she may not be the person for you. Not anyone's fault, really.

It's something I had to get used to with my husband. He normally doesn't talk about his feelings AT ALL and he has natural extreme poker face. (I can only sense for sure when he's angry, and I know him better than anyone else.) I just chose not to worry about it, and to trust that he'd speak up if he really had an issue. If it was radio silence, he's perfect content. :funny: It's worked for us for the past 6 years...

That is how I was raised. My father still says to my brother and I "no news is good news."

I totally get the theory. I also believe that if no news = negative feelings/thoughts about us, that I'll figure that out by days of radio silence, or an overtly aloof attitude when I see her in person.

It really comes down to me. If I get no response - or whatever.

What bugs me is this is how she backed off the first time. It began with silence, then an overtly aloof attitude in person. When I finally confronted the issue, it appeared she had no resolve in approaching the issue.

So while I agree with "no news is good news," I'm still swimming in my head thinking she's just backing off, with no regard to telling me anything at all. She's just one of those people that can back off, hands off, out of sight out of mind, . . . it'll go away.

I've had one other relationship like this. So this attitude is completely new to me. Every other lady I dated, all of them I had no question that they were into me. NONE.
 
Communication is important, but you have to learn how a person communicates. On the general spectrum, you have the extreme of being clingy, and on the other side of that spectrum is the extreme of being aloof. In between those two extremes are the specific behaviors of every individual you will meet. Some people communicate daily, some weekly. It depends upon the individual. And even then, context is necessary.

Some people may generally be distant at first, but become more attentive the deeper their bond is with a specific person. It is sort of similar to how you meet a person that appears to be reserved, but once they feel comfortable around you, they turn into a chatterbox. IF things are still new, then give the person time to warm up so that you can determine if they are truly a distant person, or if they are just getting comfortable with you before they reveal their more vulnerable side.

My last bit of advice is to mind your expectations. Our expectations tend to be the bigger problem than whatever reality we are facing. If you expect attentiveness from a person that is naturally inattentive, then you are setting yourself up for disappointment, solely because you have constructed a possible reality in your imagination that doesn't sync up to what you will actually get.

It is like looking at a glass of clear liquid and expecting water, only to find that it is filled with vodka. If you guzzle the liquid based on your assumption that it is water, then you get an unpleasant surprise. But if you first seek to find out what is in the glass, you won't be disappointed either way. You simply gain knowledge about whether or not the glass offers what you wish to drink.

The same logic applies with relationships (and life in general). Let this person be who they are, and determine if they are the type of person you are seeking. Don't seek a type of person and then become disappointed when the person you have interest in doesn't fit that type. Good luck.
 
Saturday I had a pretty good first date. She seemed into me and we suggested going out later this week. She never text me though. I will text her something like, "how's your day going" and get something generic back, with no type of way to further any conversation. She was like that before and after our date, which leads me to believe she just might not be into texting. I was impressed she didn't pull her phone out once on the date. At first I was thinking of never texting again, but I'll wait until we said we'd meet up again Thursday and text if we're still on.
 
Saturday I had a pretty good first date. She seemed into me and we suggested going out later this week. She never text me though. I will text her something like, "how's your day going" and get something generic back, with no type of way to further any conversation. She was like that before and after our date, which leads me to believe she just might not be into texting. I was impressed she didn't pull her phone out once on the date. At first I was thinking of never texting again, but I'll wait until we said we'd meet up again Thursday and text if we're still on.

Agreeing to meet again is much more important than her text messages. Hope you have a great second date on Thursday.
 
Remember that girl I dated, that hated me for a while and I wanted to get back with her?

Taking her out for dinner Saturday night, no clue if it's as friends or a date, but I don't really care.
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"Our expectations tend to be a bigger problem than whatever reality we are facing." I like that.

Just remember, even if it's in the back of your mind, with the right person.... It shouldn't be that hard. It should never feel like work.
 
The gardener and I haven't seen each other in a long time with my being busy with school and work. So we see each other again and he acts all distant like he's not interested in talking to me. I think something must have happened like a relative died or something else. I go up and try to start a conversation like we used to, but he refuses to truly acknowledge me like a brush off. So I realize that he's not ready to talk about it. This lasts for nearly two months, and then I see him again yesterday and now he's smiling at me and wanting to strike up a conversation like we used to. Now the problem with this is that I was going to ask him out, but then I didn't have the free time to date. Then with him being distant, I definitely couldn't ask him. So should I wait a while longer to make sure this wasn't some sort of fluke and he's actually feeling better?
 
The gardener and I haven't seen each other in a long time with my being busy with school and work. So we see each other again and he acts all distant like he's not interested in talking to me. I think something must have happened like a relative died or something else. I go up and try to start a conversation like we used to, but he refuses to truly acknowledge me like a brush off. So I realize that he's not ready to talk about it. This lasts for nearly two months, and then I see him again yesterday and now he's smiling at me and wanting to strike up a conversation like we used to. Now the problem with this is that I was going to ask him out, but then I didn't have the free time to date. Then with him being distant, I definitely couldn't ask him. So should I wait a while longer to make sure this wasn't some sort of fluke and he's actually feeling better?
Asking him out is just asking him out. Might as well do it, since it doesn't signal commitment, just interest.
 
It'll at least remove any doubt. Is he interested? Is he not interested?

Months in between seeing him, he could be seeing someone else because neither of you have made a move.
 
I'd like to get the opinion of you guys and girls on this...

I'm on a couple of dating web sites and earlier today, a lady passed by my profile.
She looked nice enough. had an interesting bio and her interests were such that I thought I'd send her a message.

She deletes it without even reading it. I just thought that was a bit strange. Why not at least read it first? What did she have to lose?

Actually, having thought about it while I was writing this, she obviously had no interest in me from when she looked at my profile earlier.
Kind of makes sense now.

Sorry to have wasted your time people... :cwink:
 
I'd like to get the opinion of you guys and girls on this...

I'm on a couple of dating web sites and earlier today, a lady passed by my profile.
She looked nice enough. had an interesting bio and her interests were such that I thought I'd send her a message.

She deletes it without even reading it. I just thought that was a bit strange. Why not at least read it first? What did she have to lose?

Actually, having thought about it while I was writing this, she obviously had no interest in me from when she looked at my profile earlier.
Kind of makes sense now.

Sorry to have wasted your time people... :cwink:

How do you know that she deleted it?
 
I'm on a couple of dating web sites and earlier today, a lady passed by my profile.
She looked nice enough. had an interesting bio and her interests were such that I thought I'd send her a message.

She deletes it without even reading it. I just thought that was a bit strange. Why not at least read it first? What did she have to lose?

To be honest I think this says more about her than you. Like you say its weird to not even read a message that you have been sent before deciding to delete it. She may be reading a lot of profiles and therefore getting messages from a lot of guys, but its still polite to at least read a message someone has gone to the effort to write for you.
 
How do you know that she deleted it?

This particular dating site, tells me if someone has read it or not and if they have deleted it.
So just going on that really.

To be honest I think this says more about her than you. Like you say its weird to not even read a message that you have been sent before deciding to delete it. She may be reading a lot of profiles and therefore getting messages from a lot of guys, but its still polite to at least read a message someone has gone to the effort to write for you.

Honestly. that was what I thought. I always read every message I get, even if I don't respond. That's not to say I get many!

But thanks for the responses!
 
Question, how do I show a girl I am interested in her without it being creepy??
 
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