The Dark Knight Rises You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 5

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Batman needed a call from Amanda Waller to be told where to find Deadshot. :dry:
Too busy Superman hunting to find clues on his own?
 
I wonder what Snyder's Joker would have been like and would it have been better than what we got. I imagine his versions look would have gone over better with more people.
 
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Seriously though. I hated the movie so much. Just a bunch of people walking from set piece to set piece saying awful catchphrases and attempting to look bad ass.

That's one of the best descriptions I've seen of the movie lol.
 
Yeah that video is amazing haha.

I just watched the trailer for JL: Dark. A huge MEH from me.

Batman needed a call from Amanda Waller to be told where to find Deadshot. :dry:
Too busy Superman hunting to find clues on his own?
He's really a crappy detective. Not only that, he waits until Deadshot is with his daughter. When Lawton pulls a gun on Batman, his daughter steps in the way, and Bats just stares on like "well, make your choice Deadshot". I did like the look of that scene and Ben's delivery (Will's acting too)...but it really isn't the way Batman would operate. When i left the theater i was like "ok cool, at least he didn't try to murder him. He arrested Deadshot". And now i feel like it was a bit unnecessary to wait until he was with his daughter just so he can catch him off guard? D**k move Batman. What if his daughter got shot by accident?
 
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If I had to nominate a video for best of the year on YouTube, that one wins it for me.
 
I wonder what Snyder's Joker would have been like and would it have been better than what we got. I imagine his versions look would have gone over better with more people.

Probably would have looked magnificent. And I'm willing to bet I would actually like his Joker. Well, compared to what we actually got.
 
You have more confidence in Snyder than most, lol. Judging by the way Luthor turned out, I'm willing to bet it would have been just as disappointing.
 
His Ozy sucked too. It was the worst adapted Watchmen character.
 
Oh don't even get me started on that monstrosity that was "Lex Luthor"

How you ruin your two flagship villains in BACK TO BACK films, I will never know. Stand up and take a bow, Warner Bros.
 
He's really a crappy detective.

Eh, not really in this case. It did seem like Batman and Deadshot had some kind of history in this universe, and he may have busted/jailed Deadshot before. In this case, Waller tipped him off because she had an agenda and wanted Deadshot in custody. Batman then swiftly arrested the murderer and tried to do so non-violently. Not sure how that makes him a crappy detective here.


Not only that, he waits until Deadshot is with his daughter. When Lawton pulls a gun on Batman, his daughter steps in the way, and Bats just stares on like "well, make your choice Deadshot". I did like the look of that scene and Ben's delivery (Will's acting too)...but it really isn't the way Batman would operate. When i left the theater i was like "ok cool, at least he didn't try to murder him. He arrested Deadshot". And now i feel like it was a bit unnecessary to wait until he was with his daughter just so he can catch him off guard? D**k move Batman. What if his daughter got shot by accident?

Not sure I agree with this, either.

Batman landed, grabbed him by the shoulder, and said "It's over, Deadshot. I don't wanna do this in front of your daughter", which basically means "Give it up, dude. I don't wanna kick the crap out of you in front of your daughter." Deadshot immediately pulls his gun on Batman, breaks free and starts to resist/fight Batman, even firing off a shot from his gun. Once he's beaten to the ground, he pulls his gun on Batman again and his daughter steps in.

Let's not blame Batman for the fact that Deadshot was an idiot who was parading around in public with his young daughter while he was a wanted man carrying a gun, putting her in instant danger, and then tried to kill a man in front of his own daughter. If his daughter had gotten shot in this case, it would have been Deadshot's fault. And if Deadshot had found himself in a standoff with one of his enemies or the police instead of Batman, the situation could have turned out much worse...and still would have been Deadshot's fault.
 
I don't wanna do this in front of your daughter? Then why did you wait until he was with his daughter...you dummy Bats. Either he's stupid for saying that or he's just being an A-HOLE using Deadshot's daughter to make Floyd back down easier. Everything with this version of Batman is about the easy route i find. Blow up a bunch of thugs cuz it's easier. Hunt down Deadshot when he's hanging out with his kid cuz it's easier to make the murderer back down. Smart, sure. But a a-hole move nonetheless.

How would it be Deadshot's fault only (if his daughter was shot?). Bats could have tracked him down with or without Waller and made sure he got him on a night when he was alone. How about the next night? Or the night after? Batman would be just as responsible if a child was shot. It's not like he didn't know and she suddenly appeared in the same alley throwing herself in the middle of the situation.

So i may take back my lousy detective comment, in this case, but it's still the easy way with Batfleck.
 
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I'm pretty sure he definitely meant to do it in front of his daughter

He absolutely took advantage of deadshot's weakness (his daughter) to actively avoid the hassle of apprehending him in battle
 
That's exactly what he did. I hope most of this behavior is gone by the time Ben and Geoff get to write the Batman script. I hope in that universe, Batman goes back to his true self after his experience with the Justice League.

Maybe i'm overthinking it and Ayer wrote that in without much thought. Instead of what i hope it turns out to be, which is a slow building arc where he lost it during BvS then puts a stop to the killing in Suicide Squad. Which leads to him working with others and compromising more in Justice League, bringing some compassion back into his soul. Enough to want to patch things up with Dick Grayson. Enough to treat people with more respect.

I could get behind this DCEU more if Bruce had a giant arc, starting out as the dumbest, hot-headed murderous Batman. Ending with Bruce acting a lot more like Christian's Bruce Wayne when he was at his best mentally.

I don't mind the different take where these filmmakers are trying to offer a new cynical character. But at least transform him into a good/broken soul. Not just the *****ebag of a superhero team. I certainly don't want the young generation growing up thinking Batman is only the old *****e.
 
That's the problem with what we've seen so far in my mind. Writers really need to stop and ask themselves: would Batman really do that?
 
That's probably what's happening and i'm giving them too much credit. They're simply not asking themselves "would Superman do this? Would Luthor do this? Would Joker do that? Would Batman act this way?"

I understand the need to shake some things up and not always follow the tradition. But sometimes it's like they're pleased with Batman looking like...BATMAN and "as long as that's intact, we can do anything with the character. No boundaries." With Joker, it's more like "His name is Joker, slap some green on him and it's showtime!"

I'm not sure if all of these drastic changes are out of boredom/creativity or do they not give a s**t because Batman, Superman and Joker sells like hotcakes so why not right?
 
That was one of the few moments I laughed out loud in the theater.

"I don't want to do this in front of your daughter"

*proceeds to do this in front of his daughter*
 
I don't wanna do this in front of your daughter? Then why did you wait until he was with his daughter...you dummy Bats. Either he's stupid for saying that or he's just being an A-HOLE using Deadshot's daughter to make Floyd back down easier. Everything with this version of Batman is about the easy route i find. Blow up a bunch of thugs cuz it's easier. Hunt down Deadshot when he's hanging out with his kid cuz it's easier to make the murderer back down. Smart, sure. But a a-hole move nonetheless.

Lol, it might be an A-hole movie, but like you said, it was smart and effective. When a killer is on the loose and lives are potentially at stake, I'm not sure that Batman always has the luxury of waiting around and trying to plan for the nicest possible arrest scenario that doesn't hurt the killer's pride. And if Deadshot was taking care of his daughter and with her all day/night, there might not have been a better/safer scenario, or he could have lost him altogether if he didn't take action.


How would it be Deadshot's fault only (if his daughter was shot?).

Because Deadshot was willingly firing gun shots with his daughter a few inches away from him, more concerned with staying out of custody than protecting his daughter or doing right by her. The most dangerous person in that alley was Deadshot, and he definitely acted accordingly.

Bats could have tracked him down with or without Waller and made sure he got him on a night when he was alone. How about the next night? Or the night after? Batman would be just as responsible if a child was shot. It's not like he didn't know and she suddenly appeared in the same alley throwing herself in the middle of the situation.

How about the next week? Or the next year? :hehe:

That's not how this works. Do you feel the same way about the police, that they should wait days for a wanted killer to be alone (so that they don't seem like A-holes) before trying to capture him? What if the killer catches on that he's being followed (by Batman or the police) and either completely evades capture or escalates the situation into something much more dangerous? What if Batman waited a day, and Deadshot killed someone between then? Sometimes, when an opportunity presents itself, it needs to be taken advantage of before such an opportunity slips away.


I'm pretty sure he definitely meant to do it in front of his daughter

Yup, but he clearly gave Deadshot the opportunity to do the right thing and surrender willingly. Instead, Deadshot made himself look like the killer he was in front of his daughter, leading her to plead for him to stop. He embarrassed himself more than Batman did.

He absolutely took advantage of deadshot's weakness (his daughter) to actively avoid the hassle of apprehending him in battle

For sure, but most likely to grab him while he had the chance and while Deadshot was out of his element. Either way, Batfleck - 1, Deadshot - 0.
 
It seems like everything was going well for Ben until he took the role as Batman. Lol. Two DC films that were s*** on. (Small appearance in SS but still)

Also, The Account was a bit of a dud.

Live By Night looks very promising and he's the helmsman so I guess we'll see if it's jinxed his directing too. :oldrazz:
 
I loved the accountant

Ben will be fine, he'll just have to take an occasional ribbing or two until he unleashes his glorious Zack Snyderless solo film
 
Live by Night looks awesome. Haven't seen The Accountant yet and have no desire to, really. I'll catch it when it starts playing on HBO every single day for several months like most of their movies do.
 
I loved the accountant

Ben will be fine, he'll just have to take an occasional ribbing or two until he unleashes his glorious Zack Snyderless solo film

It was alright until:

Jim Jonah Gordon laid down the late 5 minute exposition about the past of him and The Accountant.

The day that Snyderless solo film comes will be a relief to us all.
 
I loved The Accountant myself.

On a Batman and Deadshot note, I did really find it messed up that Batman confronts a dude with his daughter in an alley. I don't know if they were trying to be ironic with that, but thinking about it like that makes me a little ill. Also who knows what could have happened to her.
 
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